• Toy Story Alternate/Deleted Scenes and Early Test Footage
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[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ejwJ0QXvs[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXf8e_YL0kE[/media] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-9yFknO5hA[/media] Some of the test footage shows a much different Toy Story- one where Woody is a malicious villain and Buzz is a much smaller (cereal box?) toy. In the deleted scenes you can see that some sequences such as the Opening Sequence and Confronting Sid had alternate scripts, and there are a few scenes that only exist as storyboards but did have Tim Allen/Tom Hanks voice attached to them. You also see that the concept of Woody having a nightmare about being tossed in the trash was almost used in the original, before it was used in Toy Story 2. Most of the scenes seem like they would've really worked. My favorite is the [sp]THE SUN IS GONE[/sp] and [sp]Shakes the Rattle[/sp] scenes. I think if they made an extended/touched up Toy Story I'd like to see those scenes added the most. edit: forgot one [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOxJpGI8SWc[/media] A sequence from when Woody was still the bad guy that caused the movie to be re-written
I hope they one day release the Toy Story project to the public to be studied and examined.
[QUOTE=redBadger;53123312]I hope they one day release the Toy Story project to the public to be studied and examined.[/QUOTE] I wonder how much of it is still available in the disney vault. I know old games get touched up and put out with new releases, and started to wonder what a Toy Story touched up to the fidelity of 3 would be like, maybe even with some of the scenes that play added in. But then I guess we arrive dangerously into Lucas territory
They weren't kidding when they said Toy Story was a mess before rewrites. The early version of the scene with woody under the box talking to buzz is absolutely horrible. It's a good thing they managed to save the film - can you imagine an alternate timeline where Pixar got shuttered due to their first effort being an absolute turd?
[QUOTE=CyclonatorZ;53123357]They weren't kidding when they said Toy Story was a mess before rewrites. The early version of the scene with woody under the box talking to buzz is absolutely horrible. It's a good thing they managed to save the film - can you imagine an alternate timeline where Pixar got shuttered due to their first effort being an absolute turd?[/QUOTE] for comparison, the final scene: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xME96SrR7Q8[/url] I think the deleted version's extra dialogue must have been included when Woody was still a jerk like in the Black Friday Reel.
[del]Toy Story's history is fucking interesting - Toy Story 2 famously was almost fucking deleted, lmao. Someone had accidentally executed a command to completely wipe the drive and they watched as Woody's model started to disappear out of thin fucking air, limb by limb, as the process started taking place. The only reason it was saved was because one of the animators had (unauthorized) backups of the movie [I]at her fucking house.[/I] As this was all happening, (I think) she like threw the computer she was working on in her car and drove home to save the project. They ended up only relatively little[/del] This was quoted below but with the full version, still a really interesting story
Reeally glad they got the hell away from the creepy no-neck nutcracker/ventriloquist dummy look for Woody.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;53123317]I wonder how much of it is still available in the disney vault. I know old games get touched up and put out with new releases, and started to wonder what a Toy Story touched up to the fidelity of 3 would be like, maybe even with some of the scenes that play added in. But then I guess we arrive dangerously into Lucas territory[/QUOTE] IIRC during the making of Toy Story 3, Pixar Animators decided to open up the old animation files and they weren't working that well. So more than likely if they wanted to do something like that they'd probably have to source out really old computers and try it that way [editline]11th February 2018[/editline] I mean I would love if Disney released the files like what Valve did for Meet the Team stuff but I doubt they'd do that. It would be like if they gave out their animation cels for their old movies which they haven't done.
Dick Woody is great
[QUOTE=Loofiloo;53123463]Reeally glad they got the hell away from the creepy no-neck nutcracker/ventriloquist dummy look for Woody.[/QUOTE] his voice in the test footage short is really fucking creepy too lol sounds like a scary Ronald Reagan impression SAY, YOU WERENT THINKIN O FLYIN, WERE YA? edit: [QUOTE=ScottyWired;53123501]Dick Woody is great[/QUOTE] Tom Hanks really did a good job acting there "Infact my stretchy friend, you woulda been hauled away to goodwill a long time ago, so shut your mouth and get them off the bed" I don't think I remember them using Goodwill in any real scenes, but one time I saw my local goodwill's toy department and it looked super depressing and dirty, like a garbage dump for unwanted toys. They even had a Woody, and it made me think how much it would suck to be there as a toy in Toy Story.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;53123317]I wonder how much of it is still available in the disney vault. I know old games get touched up and put out with new releases, and started to wonder what a Toy Story touched up to the fidelity of 3 would be like, maybe even with some of the scenes that play added in. But then I guess we arrive dangerously into Lucas territory[/QUOTE] They definitely still have the files. Leading up to Toy Story 3's release they remastered 1 and 2 in 3D and released a double feature which I saw in theaters. Due to the limited technology of the day they had a lot of work to do in fixing things. For example, the entire chase scene in Toy Story 1 with Buzz and Woody riding RC had 2D sprites for most of the background assets which had to be remade to work well in stereo vision. They went by so fast originally that it didn't matter. They generally kept the original rendering architecture and models and everything the same tho by necessity, because the original characters weren't even Sub-D polygon models at that point. They were 100% NURBS patches, an incredibly tedious process by todays standards. As for bringing it up to TS3's quality, it would take literally redoing the film from scratch save for reusing the character models from TS3. None of the original assets are directly compatible with modern Renderman so you'd have to redo every environment, object, and relight for PBR. It'd also need new animations and camera work done from scratch to stylistically match the original films while improving it too. Would be cool but way too expensive.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;53123501]Dick Woody is great[/QUOTE] That sounds like a sterotypical Texan name to me for some reason. "Howdy, I'm Woody. Dick Woody."
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;53123587] As for bringing it up to TS3's quality, it would take literally redoing the film from scratch save for reusing the character models from TS3. None of the original assets are directly compatible with modern Renderman so you'd have to redo every environment, object, and relight for PBR. It'd also need new animations and camera work done from scratch to stylistically match the original films while improving it too. Would be cool but way too expensive.[/QUOTE] The idea of taking a movie like Toy Story 1 and keeping everything 100% identical other than updating the visuals to modern standards is an interesting one.
[QUOTE=KingKombat;53123455]Toy Story's history is fucking interesting - Toy Story 2 famously was almost fucking deleted, lmao. Someone had accidentally executed a command to completely wipe the drive and they watched as Woody's model started to disappear out of thin fucking air, limb by limb, as the process started taking place. The only reason it was saved was because one of the animators had (unauthorized) backups of the movie [I]at her fucking house.[/I] As this was all happening, (I think) she like threw the computer she was working on in her car and drove home to save the project. They ended up only relatively little[/QUOTE] The article I read said she was pregnant or recently pregnant and working from home (authorized). She and some others carefully moved the computer in blankets like it was a priceless mummy and slowly drove it to Pixar so they could get the file backups. That isn't the weirdest thing: they fixed the movie from the backup data, but when they watched it from start to finish to check it for errors they realized they hated the story and started over. Toy production had already begun, so they had to work with the same characters in a new story. I'd like to see the original film someday, much like the alternate scenes released of the first.
[QUOTE=bitches;53123978]The article I read said she was pregnant or recently pregnant and working from home (authorized). She and some others carefully moved the computer in blankets like it was a priceless mummy and slowly drove it to Pixar so they could get the file backups. [B]That isn't the weirdest thing: they fixed the movie from the backup data, but when they watched it from start to finish to check it for errors they realized they hated the story and started over. Toy production had already begun, so they had to work with the same characters in a new story. I'd like to see the original film someday, much like the alternate scenes released of the first.[/B][/QUOTE] Wait, so they restarted portions of Toy Story 2 after it was restored due to wanting to change the story? I wasn't aware of that part; I only knew of the pregnant woman having the data to restore the film. That's a rather interesting find.
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;53124039]Wait, so they restarted portions of Toy Story 2 after it was restored due to wanting to change the story? I wasn't aware of that part; I only knew of the pregnant woman having the data to restore the film. That's a rather interesting find.[/QUOTE] [url]https://thenextweb.com/media/2012/05/21/how-pixars-toy-story-2-was-deleted-twice-once-by-technology-and-again-for-its-own-good/[/url] [quote]“There was nothing else to do,” Jacob says of the session described earlier. “We were dead. We’d been in the meeting for like 45 minutes. There was 30 of us, all the biggest brains Pixar can bring to the problem.” That’s when Susman remembered her machine at home. “She and I just stood up and walked out, back to her Volvo, drove across the bridge, got the machine, got some blankets, I hugged it with seatbelts, across the back seat. Drove at like 35 with blinking lights on, hoping to get a police escort. No cops saw us, so it didn’t help us.” At that point, the Volvo had become a $100M machine, as the entirety of the team’s efforts so far on the project were ensconced on its drives. They made it back to Richmond in safety. “Eight people met us with a plywood sheet out in the parking lot and, like a sedan carrying the Pharaoh, walked it into the machine room.”[/quote] [quote]To this day, Jacob can’t explain the fact that more than several thousand files were missing from the tree by the time they were done. “Where the files went, we don’t know. The fact that it still worked without them is totally unexplainable.” But the project worked, the frames rendered, Toy Story 2 lived again.[/quote] [quote]In the Christmas of ’98, after the release of A Bug’s Life and the promotional tour was done, John Lasseter, Andrew Stanton, Pete Docter and legendary story man Joe Ranft all came to the production team to take a look at Toy Story 2. It was not a good film. They dedicated the winter vacation to re-writing the project almost entirely from the ground up. Production shut down on December 15th and came back after New Year’s in January, when the story team re-pitched the movie.[/quote] [quote]Effectively all animation was tossed. Effectively, all layout was tossed. So all camera work would start from scratch. Lighting was in the film a little bit, but that was tossed as well. We had to build new characters.[/quote] [quote]It started from ground zero in January. So the story, effectively. And the film. And that was probably one of the biggest tests of what Pixar was as a company and a culture we ever went through. The big deal about re-building the movie? It had a hard-set release date of November 22, 1999. That date was set in stone. A big-budget movie like Toy Story 2 has countless marketing tie-ins, promotional efforts and more that had to be timed perfectly with the release of the movie. Moving the release date of the movie within a year is insanely difficult. Moving it within 6 months is impossible. This meant that the team had to re-make Toy Story 2 in 9 months. All because they wanted to make the best thing they could possibly make.[/quote] [quote]Pixar was also an independent and publicly traded company at that point in time. To blow a film like Toy Story 2, not release it on time, would have decimated the studio’s credibility, and detonated the Disney movie economy. “Save Buzz and Woody. Save the franchise. Save the movie. Save the company. It was an all-in bet.” Toy Story 2 was indeed finished and released on time. It grossed nearly $500M worldwide, was nominated for an Academy Award and cemented Pixar’s reputation as the studio that wouldn’t compromise.[/quote] The article is really really long. This is a small part of it.
[QUOTE=Loofiloo;53123463]Reeally glad they got the hell away from the creepy no-neck nutcracker/ventriloquist dummy look for Woody.[/QUOTE] Not to mention shrinking him down to Buzz's size. Everything about old Woody just rubs me the wrong way.
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;53124039]Wait, so they restarted portions of Toy Story 2 after it was restored due to wanting to change the story? I wasn't aware of that part; I only knew of the pregnant woman having the data to restore the film. That's a rather interesting find.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;8dhp_20j0Ys]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dhp_20j0Ys[/video]
I would've loved to see some of the deleted scenes in full animation As a kid I was annoyed at how Pixar DVD's would have those interesting storyboard/unfinished deleted scenes but they would spend time on fully animating fake blooper reels of the characters like they were actors,which I think they did for at least Toy Story 2, Monsters inc and cars
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;53124596]I would've loved to see some of the deleted scenes in full animation As a kid I was annoyed at how Pixar DVD's would have those interesting storyboard/unfinished deleted scenes but they would spend time on fully animating fake blooper reels of the characters like they were actors,which I think they did for at least Toy Story 2, Monsters inc and cars[/QUOTE] generally if a scene is deleted and it still has only animatics, it was removed from the full sequence very early in production.that's just the nature of the business. it would be a waste of time and money to have animators spend time working on shots that have already been cut from the full film. I also wouldn't necessarily call Cars' ending sequence a blooper, it was just a sequence of gags with their other properties turned into cars characters while john ratzenberger's truck character (hamm, flea, countless other characters) makes a 4th wall breaking joke criticizing the Cars-ified pixar movies for using the same actor over and over
Ok but they did waste time and money on fake bloopers in monsters inc and TS2. That's my point was that as a kid I found that while the bloopers were enjoyable I didn't like that the excuse for unfinished deleted scenes was that it'd be a waste of time/money when they did that. There's also 15 minutes of toy story 1 bumpers for 1996 ABC that look better than the movie Oh well. At least as an adult the animatics are watchable to me now
the reason they were doing them at the time was because nobody else was. then shrek came out with a blooper reel, pixar stopped doing them because they apparently weren't special anymore. that's why you haven't seen any blooper reels or post movie gags since cars. this is information from a story artist at Pixar. Getting deleted scenes done in animated movies is a huge chore. artists cant just say "oh I wanna finish this", usually the decision is down to budget or time constraints. it can also vary depending on when the scene was cut from the film, like you can even see in the op's post there are sequences that are animated fully, just not rendered. at the time in 97-98, they were lucky to get what they could done, considering technology limitations and the fact that they still werent entirely solidified as a viable option in Disney's eyes. Bureaucracy doesn't care about passion
I’m not finding any traces of Steve Jobs in here. Before he went back to Apple he floated around Pixar constantly.
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;53125187]I’m not finding any traces of Steve Jobs in here. Before he went back to Apple he floated around Pixar constantly.[/QUOTE] Didn’t he leave the creative teams at Pixar alone for the most part, just so they would keep doing what they were doing?
I was instantly reminded of this [video=youtube;uoB_MDSkHms]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoB_MDSkHms[/video]
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;53124375][video=youtube;8dhp_20j0Ys]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dhp_20j0Ys[/video][/QUOTE] Are there any remnants of what the original Toy Story 2 was? I also wonder if the script from before Woody was changed from how he is in the black friday reel is available anywhere
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