• Baby It's Cold Outside (Informed Consent Edition)
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amK4U4pCTB8[/media] The guy there seems really uncomfortable for some reason.
1) God forbid guys try a little harder to get a girl, who can play hard to get, like part of the game 2) Way to not understand the culture at the time, it was a song made of call and response as it was expected of dinner guests to perform 3) Her wanting to leave had more to do with her being expected home by family, and worried about the social standards of staying over at another man's rather than her not wanting him and fighting him off. Way to politicize and ruin a classic. From the son of the writer himself: "Obviously, Liza and Lemanski never took the time to explore the song’s origins. It is a duet written by singer Frank Loesser in 1944 to be performed by him and his wife, Lynn Loesser, at parties. They debuted the song at the housewarming party for their new home and it became an instant hit. “My father wrote that song as a piece of special material for he and my mother to do at parties,” their son John explained. It was written in an era when seduction was not synonymous with sexual assault, you didn’t need to sign a consent form to hold a girl’s hand, and men weren’t assumed to be vicious predators. In fact, the only vicious one in this song is the woman’s aunt." [url]http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/05/here-is-why-baby-its-cold-outside-is-not-a-song-about-rape/#ixzz4SeuVx1Sx[/url]
Now it just sounds like she wants him to convince her to stay but he really just wants her to leave.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;51518693]1) God forbid guys try a little harder to get a girl, who can play hard to get, like part of the game 2) Way to not understand the culture at the time, it was a song made of call and response as it was expected of dinner guests to perform 3) Her wanting to leave had more to do with her being expected home by family, and worried about the social standards of staying over at another man's rather than her not wanting him and fighting him off. Way to politicize and ruin a classic.[/QUOTE] I think you're taking this a bit too seriously, it's a joke
[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;51518701]I think you're taking this a bit too seriously, it's a joke[/QUOTE] All the major news networks like ABC, and CNN we're playing this and spurring debates about it advocating rape and "oh no we don't know if she ever made it home!".
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;51518709]All the major news networks like ABC, and CNN we're playing this and spurring debates about it advocating rape and "oh no we don't know if she ever made it home!".[/QUOTE] The song actually is quite rapey and creepy though.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51518827]The song actually is quite rapey and creepy though.[/QUOTE] The "What's in this drink" line always gets me a little uncomfortable at Christmas parties lol
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51518827]The song actually is quite rapey and creepy though.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Duck M.;51518841]The "What's in this drink" line always gets me a little uncomfortable at Christmas parties lol[/QUOTE] [url]http://persephonemagazine.com/2010/12/listening-while-feminist-in-defense-of-baby-its-cold-outside/[/url] read up and educate yourself about the song then this tumblr meme needs to stop
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51518841]The "What's in this drink" line always gets me a little uncomfortable at Christmas parties lol[/QUOTE] Its a joke. She's making a joke. Guys the song is about her trying to get him to convince her to stay. It's *really* obvious. Video is actually pretty funny tho.
I think it's a pretty awkward song, but I think calling it rapey is looking into it way too far, especially when we take into context the culture of the time. I'd personally just avoid the song but that's just me, just don't apply presentism to it pls. And redoing it is worse since it is pretty particular to the time of how families worked. Either keep it knowing the context or bin it.
[QUOTE=Fangz;51518640][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amK4U4pCTB8[/media] The guy there seems really uncomfortable for some reason.[/QUOTE] Lol, is this satire???
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51518827]The song actually is quite rapey and creepy though.[/QUOTE] severe relevance: [video=youtube_share;qc_F0zP9usU]http://youtu.be/qc_F0zP9usU[/video]
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51518841]The "What's in this drink" line always gets me a little uncomfortable at Christmas parties lol[/QUOTE] I think she means it tastes like shit.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;51519117]I think she means it tastes like shit.[/QUOTE] it's an excuse she's making up to convince herself to stay with the guy. there's nothing in the drink. the drink could be apple juice for all we know. she's exaggerating the potency of the alcohol in the drink in order to make an excuse to stay indoors. it's about two people who are into eachother and both are making excuses because it's not socially acceptable for a "good girl" to stay with a man like that during the time the song was written, recorded and released. every fucking time christmas rolls around now since like three years ago i read this shit that originated from a tumblr post and it's starting to grate on me mostly because nobody can understand music or do their own research.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51518827]The song actually is quite rapey and creepy though.[/QUOTE] She never said no
This is exactly why Trump won the presidency.
having preformed this in select ensemble a couple times, im really disappointed to see how many of you have no clue wtf the song is about
[QUOTE=Half-Dead;51518696]Now it just sounds like she wants him to convince her to stay but he really just wants her to leave.[/QUOTE] I watched it like this and it's pretty clear they're poking fun at it, because they didn't change the female lyrics much/ at all. I mean, the "I don't know what you're talking about" scene alone makes it pretty clear that they're having a laugh. [editline]12th December 2016[/editline] I enjoy the original version of the song, but I think this is a funny parody.
jesus a lot of people apparently can't deal with folks laughing at a song v:v:v
Listen to the lyrics, they're not even rapey in our time, let alone back when they were written. The girl is looking for excuses to stay, says she wants another drink, etc. It is exactly how a normal social scenario like this still plays out today.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51519169]it's an excuse she's making up to convince herself to stay with the guy. there's nothing in the drink. the drink could be apple juice for all we know. she's exaggerating the potency of the alcohol in the drink in order to make an excuse to stay indoors. it's about two people who are into eachother and both are making excuses because it's not socially acceptable for a "good girl" to stay with a man like that during the time the song was written, recorded and released. every fucking time christmas rolls around now since like three years ago i read this shit that originated from a tumblr post and it's starting to grate on me mostly because nobody can understand music or do their own research.[/QUOTE] Thats pretty interesting actually, as a super festive dude I'm surprised I didnt know that. Will make the season a bit more jolly and a little less creepy if thats the case [editline]12th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Jamsponge;51519489]I watched it like this and it's pretty clear they're poking fun at it, because they didn't change the female lyrics much/ at all. I mean, the "I don't know what you're talking about" scene alone makes it pretty clear that they're having a laugh. [editline]12th December 2016[/editline] I enjoy the original version of the song, but I think this is a funny parody.[/QUOTE] Yea i agree, the creepiness factor might be a bit overblown in retrospect but i think the video creators were probably aware of that. I wouldnt take it too seriously, its just playing off of modern perceptions (even if they arent in line with what the creators intended)
Aww this is very cute. Also I love it when people laugh mid act.
[B] Sex in the Year 2050[/B] -¨Hello Human female, may I please insert my penis into your vagina¨ -¨request pending....request approved¨ - please sign these consent forms¨ -¨ok¨ [B]10 Hours Later[/B] -¨Both of them fall asleep while signing forms¨ [B]No succ[/B] :ohno:
[QUOTE=TheJoey;51518860][url]http://persephonemagazine.com/2010/12/listening-while-feminist-in-defense-of-baby-its-cold-outside/[/url] read up and educate yourself about the song then this tumblr meme needs to stop[/QUOTE] the irony is tumblr was weeks ahead of this drama in setting the misconceptions about the song [I]straight[/I], there's a massive post making the rounds where an english major(/professor?) ran step by step through the contexts of the song. to TL;DR this for people who don't want to read a (bigger) wall of text - the song was from the 40's; This is an era leading out of the speakeasies of the 20's/30's, and "hey what's in this drink" was a very common throwaway joke of the time. Like others have already stated she's trying to excuse herself as being too drunk and unable to think straight, when in reality it's the opposite- due to the scarcity of booze there was potential you could have been handed something entirely non-alcoholic are just 'party/social drunk' by today's standards, and you're questioning the bartender for scamming you - she's coming up with excuses to leave because at the time, it was very uncommon for a ladyfriend to go home with a guy unaccompanied unless there were motives, but she's afraid a number of people may have noticed and will judge her for it. The excuses are flimsy because she's looking for counter-excuses to stay, which would then be excuses to hand out should she later be accused of being there to have some fun. it's not the rape anthem that people are trying to be upset over, rather it's about the woman's free sexual will and society's standards giving her no solid way to just say 'yes' to the situation, giving excuses and false negative answers in order to convince herself she did what she should. Sadly, this has been a cultural norm for so long that 'no' is rarely seen as 'no', and ultimately the cultural norms that wrote 'baby it's cold outside' as a satire are the very root of why 'rape anthem' logic is a real thing today
the fact that this even warrants discussion makes me dread the dating culture of the current kids that will grow up
[QUOTE=dai;51522567]the irony is tumblr was weeks ahead of this drama in setting the misconceptions about the song [I]straight[/I], there's a massive post making the rounds where an english major(/professor?) ran step by step through the contexts of the song. [/QUOTE] saying tumblr is to blame is part of the meme I think
The song is really interesting with the genders switched. [video]https://youtu.be/ZtoW4aV-CIc[/video]
Personally I love the lady Gaga version. And I was open to the updated version, but it took away the main conflict away from the song. Plus the pomegranate la croix line was cringe as hell.
I will never understand why people take bits of culture/media/art from the past and insist on contextualizing them by contemporary culture. It would be absurd to call the creator of Thor's Fight With Giants as a Nazi because the painting contains a Swastika when it was painted in 1872.
I don't have a problem with the original song and I joke about it being creepy. Like one or two of the lyrics didn't work too well but I actually thought the song was funny and pleasant especially near the end where they're going to text each other and stuff. [editline]14th December 2016[/editline] I actually think if it became a popular version they should play it too. Like how there are fucking thirty different artists and versions of "Last Christmas" by Wham playing on loop at work.
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