White Man Speaks Out Against The Detroiting of Buffalo, NY - General

[video=youtube;v3q9OAqxFbE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3q9OAqxFbE[/video] Is it true that in the UK you would get arrested for 'hate crime' by saying this?

what a charming racist!

I hate the smug look he keeps making trying to justify his racism.

It's only racist if you've never lived in the inner-city metro areas!

[QUOTE=don818;36330530]It's only racist if you've never lived in the inner-city metro areas![/QUOTE] I remember saving a picture that reminds me of. [IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/edit5.jpg[/IMG]

At least he's being honest about his opinions.

Bloke needs a pat on the back for being so awesome. The guy interviewing had no comeback what so ever to the statement that the east side of his town had been ruined by blacks other than the usual " but thats racist you can't say that "

>Guys states his feelings and presents facts while attaining some form of political correctness in his vocabulary. OMG WTF IS WRONG WIT U? U RASCIST

So there's a racist who can speak his mind without doing something violent or talk shit? At least he's stating his opinion without being a shithead. If only there was at least one religious person who hates gay people that talked like this person. Intelligently without forcing their opinion, even if it's about taking the rights away of a person or preventing a person from having rights.

Going by this guys logic you could say "Native america used to be a beautiful place, look what whites did to that."

I don't think the people defending this guy understand that he isn't just stating his opinion, he is trying to defend a hate crime. Even if what he is saying is correct that doesn't constitute a hate crime or any violent action against a person because of their race. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] He's also trying to defend the segregation of cities which is equally fucked.

look i'm sorry but hate crimes are bullshit. who cares how it was motivated a crime is a crime keep the fucking courts out of your minds otherwise you get into thought crimes (and ruling something as a hate crime where the defending party denies it is calling it a [I]thought [/I]crime).

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;36348459]look i'm sorry but hate crimes are bullshit. who cares how it was motivated a crime is a crime keep the fucking courts out of your minds otherwise you get into thought crimes (and ruling something as a hate crime where the defending party denies it is calling it a [I]thought [/I]crime).[/QUOTE] Are you joking? Hate crimes aren't bullshit, people being lynched or having their houses burned down only because they're black? That's not bullshit, that's anything but bullshit. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] And okay, lets not look at it like its a hate crime. This guy is still defending someone getting their house fucking burned down, and he is defending it because the person in that house "Left their part of town." If that isn't the most bigoted shit I've heard I don't know what is.

Buffalo New York is shit anyways, I live near there. It's wet, smelly and depressing. He has a point. But it's not "Them being X race" that's an issue, it's "X race being in X financial and having X social issues with other races, and thus it basically X race is purely the issue"

I don't see anything wrong with this man- he obviously doesn't want any ghettos/gangsters/hoodlums to be moving into his neighborhood, and destroying the property/home value. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this..

[QUOTE=Laferio;36349490]I don't see anything wrong with this man- he obviously doesn't want any ghettos/gangsters/hoodlums to be moving into his neighborhood, and destroying the property/home value. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this..[/QUOTE] No he doesn't want minorities in, do we know anything about the persons house who they burnt down other then the fact that they where black?

[QUOTE=Winters;36349006]Are you joking? Hate crimes aren't bullshit, people being lynched or having their houses burned down only because they're black? That's not bullshit, that's anything but bullshit. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] And okay, lets not look at it like its a hate crime. This guy is still defending someone getting their house fucking burned down, and he is defending it because the person in that house "Left their part of town." If that isn't the most bigoted shit I've heard I don't know what is.[/QUOTE] he's entitled to his shit opinion ya know (so long as he doesn't do any harm). my point was yes this guy is a racist but burning down someone's house, [I][I]no matter the fucking reason[/I][/I], is a crime and should be treated the same. if someone burned it down because it was their ex's house or because some minorities live there why should the latter get more jail time? especially if he (or she or they) denies it and the court [I]decides what he thought[/I] (the motivation for the whole thing). a lynching is a lynching, what does it matter the reason why the thing happened?

[QUOTE=Winters;36349504]No he doesn't want minorities in, do we know anything about the persons house who they burnt down other then the fact that they where black?[/QUOTE] No- he said, "things like this wouldn't happen, if people stayed in their own section of " blalalal. Implying that if said minorities stayed in their, "section", the supposed "hate crime" wouldn't have happened in the first place. How if minorities moved in.. As he said, "those people-african americans" are hoodlums, it would've ruined the property value of said home they moved into.

A person who commits the current definition of a hate crime poses more of a threat to society. If a big scary black guy was a member of the New Black Panthers, and he beat up a white guy and was very open about it being for he was white, then under "simple assault" (let us assume there is no weapon) charges, he might get out of prison after not a terribly long sentence if he is not charged with a hate crime. But if he beat up a white guy for being white, that means that you are as much a potential target (assuming you are white) as the guy that DID get beat up. A whole general portion of the population is at risk. Whereas, if he had attacked someone over a disagreement, then you are not as much a target. A hate crime is worse.

[QUOTE=Laferio;36349583]No- he said, "things like this wouldn't happen, if people stayed in their own section of " blalalal. Implying that if said minorities stayed in their, "section", the supposed "hate crime" wouldn't have happened in the first place. How if minorities moved in.. As he said, "those people-african americans" are hoodlums, it would've ruined the property value of said home they moved into.[/QUOTE] He just straight up says minorities dude... [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thrawn2787;36349562]my point was yes this guy is a racist but burning down someone's house, [I][I]no matter the fucking reason[/I][/I], is a crime and should be treated the same. if someone burned it down because it was their ex's house or because some minorities live there why should the latter get more jail time? especially if he (or she or they) denies it and the court [I]decides what he thought[/I] (the motivation for the whole thing). a lynching is a lynching, what does it matter the reason why the thing happened?[/QUOTE] A crime is not just a crime, the world does not work that way and unfortunately it never will. Soldiers can get away with murder because that is what they're ordered to do, police can because it's part of their job motives are everything when it comes to crime and punishment.

[QUOTE=Laferio;36349583]No- he said, "things like this wouldn't happen, if people stayed in their own section of " blalalal. Implying that if said minorities stayed in their, "section", the supposed "hate crime" wouldn't have happened in the first place. How if minorities moved in.. As he said, "those people-african americans" are hoodlums, it would've ruined the property value of said home they moved into.[/QUOTE] That's implying that all minorities are hoodlums, which is blatantly racist. At any rate, I don't know much about the background here. Does Buffalo have a dual housing market?

I understand that not everyone is going to be accepting and that the world isn't rainbows and butterflies, but the support this guy has is honestly disturbing. I didn't want to say anything at first, but I think I need to. And to clarify: I completely understand that plenty, if not most, people don't think this way, but when I see the support this guy's getting, especially in the comments this is getting on YouTube... [i]Especially[/i] when people are supporting this man's opinion that a family [i][b]deserved[/i][/b] to have their house [b]burnt down[/b] because they're black and "not where they should be", and that they should have [i]expected[/i] people to be insensitive racists. As for the support he's getting and when people are talking about how they don't like "gangsters", I don't like people who act like complete assholes either, nobody does. But they don't act like jackasses because they're black, they act like jackasses because they're jackasses, there are plenty of people who are in every race. It happens to have evolved into a jackass culture, but it doesn't mean that every minority partakes and it shouldn't mean that people should be allowed to burn down the homes of people who might have just been trying to get away from the crime and danger... and, y'know [b]not[/b] have themselves and their children robbed/mugged/raped/murdered because of their race and where they've been stuck because of it. Contrary to some people's beliefs, plenty of people hate the areas and want to get out. Which could have been what this family was doing, but they could have been from some affluent family for all we know. According to this logic, if anyone does do anything terrible to someone who is black, then they should have expected it, because they're black, and they "don't belong in white neighborhoods". So apparently, they're supposed to stick around the life of being in a crime-filled ghetto neighborhood, because it's they're fault it's like that... you know because they're obviously responsible for all of the people of their ethnic group's actions, right? [sp]Nobody has any control over what assholes who live outside the law do.[/sp] Nobody even knows if it's being classified as a hate crime, and quite frankly if there's no proof that it was, then it shouldn't be considered one. Sometimes race shouldn't be brought into some situations. It's the same reason I refused to take any sort of college scholarships based on my race, which I still think is wrong and it should be offered to people of different lower income levels instead of specific ethnic groups. My point right now is that yes, this guy can have an opinion, but I have the opinion that: I don't want my home burnt to the ground because I "shouldn't live in the town I do with my family, because I'm part-black and I should just 'go back to the ghetto' ". Isn't that just a [i]little[/i] fucked up?

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;36349562]he's entitled to his shit opinion ya know (so long as he doesn't do any harm). my point was yes this guy is a racist but burning down someone's house, [I][I]no matter the fucking reason[/I][/I], is a crime and should be treated the same. if someone burned it down because it was their ex's house or because some minorities live there why should the latter get more jail time? especially if he (or she or they) denies it and the court [I]decides what he thought[/I] (the motivation for the whole thing). a lynching is a lynching, what does it matter the reason why the thing happened?[/QUOTE] Intent of crime is important. Otherwise there would be no such thing as self-defense.

[QUOTE=Laferio;36349490]I don't see anything wrong with this man- he obviously doesn't want any ghettos/gangsters/hoodlums to be moving into his neighborhood, and destroying the property/home value. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this..[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Winters;36349504]No he doesn't want minorities in, do we know anything about the persons house who they burnt down other then the fact that they where black?[/QUOTE] I really don't want to say this, but the poorer areas in Buffalo are pretty shit. From what I understand, it's mainly black residing in those areas. So I can really understand where he is coming from. If the 'minorities' stayed to where their sections are there wouldn't be an issue. It's not race itself, it's the social grouping that comes with the race that's the issue (So, if people that had the same problems stayed together...). People who are very socially different don't usually 'fit in' with other people very well. That, plus racial stereotypes and shit like that. I'm not saying what race is better, just that, they can't get along because they grew up mainly around different types of people. If you have a mexican/black grow up like they're pretty white in the suburbs, they're going to act that way. If you have blacks grow up in blacker areas, with black culture, well, you get the point. I'm blabbering. But, like I said before, anyone that's been to Buffalo will know, the place is just really terrible and depressing. I honestly can't see why anyone would want to live there.

[QUOTE=J!NX;36350423]I really don't want to say this, but the poorer areas in Buffalo are pretty shit. From what I understand, it's mainly black residing in those areas. So I can really understand where he is coming from. If the 'minorities' stayed to where their sections are there wouldn't be an issue. It's not race itself, it's the social grouping that comes with the race that's the issue (So, if people that had the same problems stayed together...). People who are very socially different don't usually 'fit in' with other people very well. That, plus racial stereotypes and shit like that. I'm not saying what race is better, just that, they can't get along because they grew up mainly around different types of people. If you have a mexican/black grow up like they're pretty white in the suburbs, they're going to act that way. If you have blacks grow up in blacker areas, with black culture, well, you get the point. I'm blabbering. But, like I said before, anyone that's been to Buffalo will know, the place is just really terrible and depressing. I honestly can't see why anyone would want to live there.[/QUOTE] Burning down the homes of minority families who want to raise their kids in better areas will help them get away from the culture and crime by forcing them to move back to "their section" won't help solve that problem, though. Yes, there's obviously a racial connection to it in plenty of cases, but it isn't strictly racial, and I know you pointed that out, but you can't just kick everyone out and force them to go back because "nobody wants you to live in a better area". And growing up in a shitty area doesn't mean you [i]always[/i] act like that. For the first 6-7 years of my life I grew up around Cornhill in Utica, I turned out fine. I hold doors for strangers, I help people when they drop things, I don't think I've honestly ever committed any sort-of crime and I'm turning 19 in July. And it's not like I'm an exceptional case, most of the kids I grew up with are like that too. -- I get where he's coming from too, believe me, but he's saying burning down someone's home for being black in the "wrong side of town" is to be expected. What is this, 1880? There shouldn't be an issue with someone being a certain race in a predominantly other-raced area. I'm half-black, half-white. I'm about 1.6% of the population of North Eastern America. I am going to be a minority no matter where I go, I have no "place". Should I expect my home to eventually burn down one of these days for living with my family in an area where literally 98% of the population is white? And then for everyone to say "Oh, well, yeah, that lady had a half-black son, if we let one in we have to let them all in." It's incredibly disconcerting and wrong no matter how you look at it.

is it the 50's again? [editline]16th June 2012[/editline] wait why is this getting winners??

[QUOTE=Laferio;36349490]I don't see anything wrong with this man- he obviously doesn't want any [b]ghettos/gangsters/hoodlums[/b] to be moving into his neighborhood, and destroying the property/home value. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this..[/QUOTE] agreed, every minority is this. thanks for your great insights into racism! where is th89 when you need him holy shit so many fucking racists int his topic please check your white privilege

wow good one laferio don't worry bro i think property/home values are more important than people too

[QUOTE=Soda;36351689]agreed, every minority is this. thanks for your great insights into racism! where is th89 when you need him holy shit so many fucking racists int his topic please check your white privilege[/QUOTE] Please check your white guilt privilege at the the door.

[QUOTE=Soda;36351689]agreed, every minority is this. thanks for your great insights into racism! where is th89 when you need him holy shit so many fucking racists int his topic please check your white privilege[/QUOTE] what- are you fucking dense? Its purely fact that ANY gangbanger will more than likely ruin property value. refer to below image [QUOTE=Nerevar982;36335614]I remember saving a picture that reminds me of. [IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/edit5.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]