[video=youtube;FXDSfUJBCj0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXDSfUJBCj0[/video]
edit: oh, and here are some comments by the creator of the video himself.
[QUOTE]I see Ian Miles Cheong is a tad upset. I suppose that's to be expected from a self described "turbo-feminist". I wouldn't be surprised if the volume of sand in his vagina was so vast that if he were to squat in your home he'd turn your living room into beach front property.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I see SRS has stumbled on the video. Sorry I didn't include a trigger warning for you, I'm sure you're all literally shaking right now. It'll be ok though, you can just hop on your rascal mobility scooters and drive on down to McDonalds to eat the pain away. I bet those super sized fries make all the feelings completely disappear just like your feet under those massive guts.[/QUOTE]
as you can see, the man is very serious about this issue.
For those who didn't watch... TL;DW: fanbois crying because a girl became a community manager, and think her artstyle and ideas are going to be in the game.
Having watched the whole video, I think that some points are valid but a larger majority are not. Being a Designer does not instantly 100% mean she has direct control over anything that gets put into the game, ESPECIALLY since it's a Japanese game. A lot of the Japanese game industry uses very thorough market testing and refine their games heavily. If something doesn't test well, it won't be in the game, end of story. On top of that, she isn't a Lead Designer nor is her BF. Keiji goes through the office and checks on designs to see if they fit his vision as well as the other designers. If they don't, it gets trashed.
The real complaint here is that she did in fact say she isn't a Megaman fan, but she isn't designing how robots play or how the game plays in any way. She can know an artstyle even if she knows nothing on how the game plays. So it's kind of a faulty argument that still holds some merit.
I won't say it's sort of wrong that she is trying to push an agenda into a game where there shouldn't really be one at all aside from HAVE FUN VIDEO GAMES ARE GREAT, but I'd be ok with female robots so long as it isn't brought up as any form of social commentary. It's not the time or place for that.
Wow this guy is really good at being obnoxious.
oh wow are people seriously butthurt about that
like when I got the email I was a little pooper peeved but then I actually read the paragraph and it said she was going to be nothing more than a community manager and my ass blasting was reversed
she's gonna be a mod on a forum who fuckin cares if her art is terrible
[editline]dicks[/editline]
this guy's whole case against her character is "she's a feminist" and "she might be trans"
like really
what a huge fuckin baby this guy is
like I'm not a fan of her art either but jesus christ guy you're taking it beyond fedora euphoria and just billowing straight in to bigotry with this nonsense
[QUOTE=Fish_poke;43154758]The real complaint here is that she did in fact say she isn't a Megaman fan, but she isn't designing how robots play or how the game plays in any way. She can know an artstyle even if she knows nothing on how the game plays. So it's kind of a faulty argument that still holds some merit. [/QUOTE]
Honestly I have to disagree. Inafune said in the kickstarter video that he wanted this project to bridge the old and the new, I think getting some people on who aren't major fans of the old Megaman games could be useful, since they'll actually try to come up with something somewhat new rather than focus on being as much like the old as possible.
I will however say that calling X the best Megaman is a cardinal sin.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;43155301]I will however say that calling X the best Megaman is a cardinal sin.[/QUOTE]
Hoping not to start an argument here, but despite growing up on the Classics, X1 is my favorite Mega Man game ever. Series-wise, though? Hell no, the Classics, Zero - hell, every other series has more consistent quality than the X series.
so basically it's a bunch of whiny baby gamers crying that a "gGIRRL!~~`~```~" is going to ruin "muh videogames?"
or is it about how she's not a ~real~ gamer
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43155901]so basically it's a bunch of whiny baby gamers crying that a "gGIRRL!~~`~```~" is going to ruin "muh videogames?"
or is it about how she's not a ~real~ gamer[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure the reason everyone's angry about her is because she's the person that infamously suggested Beck should be a girl and then drew a [i]very[/i] ugly female partial-redesign to make her point. And now she's gotten a Designer part, which abhors the fanbase.
women can't play video games. they, biologically, cannot. these are simple facts you can google
is this a new trend? because in the last few months i've seen really huge crybaby whiny videos every time a cis woman, trans woman, "bad" artist, a "NON-GAMER", or something does something significant. i wish these nerds would put the effort put into these stupid videos into something else.
[editline]11th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=RikohZX;43155906]I'm pretty sure the reason everyone's angry about her is because she's the person that infamously suggested Beck should be a girl and then drew a [i]very[/i] ugly female partial-redesign to make her point. And now she's gotten a Designer part, which abhors the fanbase.[/QUOTE]
okay? how does this affect development at all?
there are plenty of people, myself included, that have ideas for might number 9. somehow it's a big deal when some girl who isn't too good at drawing posts her art?
i hope she designs all the characters and i hope you all hate them
[QUOTE=TheHydra;43155909]women can't play video games. they, biologically, cannot. these are simple facts you can google[/QUOTE]
and any time a girl says they like videogames or are in a position related to videogames, they have to undergo the ~ReAl GaMeR~ test!111 because if you're attractive and you like games you're doing it for attention, and if you're ugly and you like games you're a loser.
men? naw, they don't have to go through this test. men are always real gamers (unless they play sports games or something i deem "not a real game")
fucking gamers.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;43155906]I'm pretty sure the reason everyone's angry about her is because she's the person that infamously suggested Beck should be a girl and then drew a [i]very[/i] ugly female partial-redesign to make her point. And now she's gotten a Designer part, which abhors the fanbase.[/QUOTE]
Apparently people don't think she's qualified for the position; something about her not acting the way a community manager should be as well as locking her twitter, deleting tweets and other stuff. There's a list of points floating around the Internet that I can't be bothered to dredge up. Look for posts made by a guy called Heavy01.
Also there was a [URL="http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/222267325"]sticky on /v/[/URL] before if you're interested in that sort of stuff.
However, why the hell would someone with little Megaman experience work on a spiritual sequel to Megaman?
[QUOTE=Smashing Good;43155931]Apparently people don't think she's qualified for the position. There's a list of points floating around the Internet that I can't be bothered to dredge up.
However, why the hell would someone with little Megaman experience work on a spiritual sequel to Megaman?[/QUOTE]
because then she can have ideas that aren't derivative from previous megaman titles?
[QUOTE=Smashing Good;43155931]However, why the hell would someone with little Megaman experience work on a spiritual sequel to Megaman?[/QUOTE]
I already answered this, because this game is supposed to have something new, not just regurgitate and jerk off to the old. An outside perspective will most likely have far more fresh ideas than a crew of "real hardcore fans" who'd only be concerned with cloning the old games.
really, i don't see how [I]anybody[/I] can say that the gaming community is mature at all. this dina business is a really good example of how the collective gaming hivemind is an awful, toxic, and unaccepting boys-only club. we have people whining and crying over platform-exclusive missions with dumb reskin models, we have people [url=http://www.machinestudios.co.uk/viewentry.php?id=54]ddosing websites that have the [I]audacity[/I] to bring up any form of sexism in the industry,[/url], we have people sending death/rape threats to female gamers like anita, and we have shit like this.
i have no doubt in my mind that people wouldn't make a big deal out of dina if she was a dude. dina posted some art of questionable quality? gamers would leave it at "lol, autist" and not make these awful, antagonizing shit videos. everyone needs to grow the fuck up, that includes whiners on gaf, 4chan, reddit, twitter, etc.
[b]this post was made by a certified, [I]real gamer™[/I][/b]
[editline]11th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Smashing Good;43155931]Apparently people don't think she's qualified for the position; something about her not acting the way a community manager should be as well as locking her twitter, deleting tweets and other stuff. There's a list of points floating around the Internet that I can't be bothered to dredge up. Look for posts made by a guy called Heavy01.
Also there was a [URL="http://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/222267325"]sticky on /v/[/URL] before if you're interested in that sort of stuff.
However, why the hell would someone with little Megaman experience work on a spiritual sequel to Megaman?[/QUOTE]
a sticky on /v/
what a great source! they are really the epitome of empathy and general not-being-a-fucking-assholeness.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43155951]everyone needs to grow the fuck up, that includes whiners on gaf, 4chan, reddit, twitter, etc.[/QUOTE]
I don't get how you can say this while whining on a different site.
[B]e:[/B]
But then we get into that whole cyclic redundancy thing because my post is complaining about complaining about complaining.
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;43155970]I don't get how you can say this while whining on a different site.[/QUOTE]
the fact that he's pointing out an issue like this specifically doesn't change a thing.
What great force prohibits him from making critiques?
let's be really vague and analogy-like for a second here
can you guys imagine seeing somebody being berated on their way to go see the movies, the crowds shouting "you're not a REAL cinema fan!!! that movie poster in your room??? haha you probably don't even know who the obscure japanese executive producer who did the illustrations on the protagonist's tattoos on his right arm is??? didn't know that??? haha thats right you FAKE MOVIE WATCHER!!!"
can you imagine people getting DDOSed after saying that they want to analyze some osrt of injustice or social issues in movies? can you imagine people getting threatened with rape or death after saying they prefer prometheus to taxi driver?
no? because it's fucking stupid. gaming [I]NEEDS[/I] to grow up, and it won't unless whiny crybabies on awful, toxic websites like the ones i've mentioned in literally every gaming thread [I]grow the fuck up.[/I]
if you honestly have a crybaby fit over a minor community manager that will have a microscopic effect on a game that's pretty much entirely inafune's creation, then you need to grow the fuck up. if you aren't actively trying to make gaming a better place for [I]>>>>EVERYONE<<<<[/I] then you need to get off of your ass and [I]grow up.[/I] games aren't "just games" made for "X people" or "Y people," they're an interactive entertainment medium and [I]nobody[/I] should be barred from playing them. sure, there's a lot of content in games that shouldn't be shown to people over a younger age, but saying people can't play your precious vidjagames unless they're "real" fans? lmfao.
[editline]11th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Super Muffin;43155970]I don't get how you can say this while whining on a different site.[/QUOTE]
oh oops, forgot to include facepunch there. kind of a given considering the influx of awful sexist threads we've been having in the last few months, though.
So people's nightmares are finally over, and someone else other than Dina has confirmed that she has no power over design or anything related to the game. She's just a Community Manager like she has been the whole time.
[url=http://mightyno9.com/en/node/826?page=1]Source[/url]
[QUOTE=Zet;43156343]So people's nightmares are finally over, and someone else other than Dina has confirmed that she has no power over design or anything related to the game. She's just a Community Manager like she has been the whole time.
[url=http://mightyno9.com/en/node/826?page=1]Source[/url][/QUOTE]
Access Denied.
Does this mean the drama is still on?
[QUOTE=Oizen;43156546]Access Denied.
Does this mean the drama is still on?[/QUOTE]
If you see Access Denied, you need to add www. in front of the link. And vice versa for people who get Access Denied on the www. links.
[URL="http://superspecialawesomeattack.tumblr.com/post/69763976769/for-those-of-you-not-in-the-know"]Found a link explaining why people don't like Dina so much.[/URL]
Here's a brief rundown if you can't be bothered:
-Her artwork doesn't fit the Megaman style.
-She has a lack of experience with Megaman.
-Her twitter suggests that she was hired solely due to interpersonal relations (though arguably this happens in a lot of jobs).
-The backers are concerned with letting an amateur designing their game (apparently).
-She deleted all her tweets suggesting her unfamiliarity with the Megaman franchise. Also she labelled Megaman X as the best Megaman game. (Speaking as someone who has not played any Megaman games nor has backed the Kickstarter, I can't really provide an opinion on this point).
-Her twitter suggests that she is into social justice actions. Obviously some people are going to be turned off by this. The post itself covers this better than I can.
-Her suggestion to genderswap Beck is viewed pointless by some.
-Something concerning strawmen: Dina getting backlash has little to do with her gender. If this was true, then the female composer on the team would also be getting lots of backlash. But she isn't, because she is a professional, Megaman veteran that produces quality work.
[QUOTE=Smashing Good;43156589][URL="http://superspecialawesomeattack.tumblr.com/post/69763976769/for-those-of-you-not-in-the-know"]Found a link explaining why people don't like Dina so much.[/URL]
Here's a brief rundown if you can't be bothered:
-Her artwork doesn't fit the Megaman style.
-She has a lack of experience with Megaman.
-Her twitter suggests that she was hired solely due to interpersonal relations (though arguably this happens in a lot of jobs).
-The backers are concerned with letting an amateur designing their game (apparently).
-She deleted all her tweets suggesting her unfamiliarity with the Megaman franchise. Also she labelled Megaman X as the best Megaman game. (Speaking as someone who has not played any Megaman games nor has backed the Kickstarter, I can't really provide an opinion on this point).
-Her twitter suggests that she is into social justice actions. Obviously some people are going to be turned off by this. The post itself covers this better than I can.
-Her suggestion to genderswap Beck is viewed pointless by some.
-Something concerning strawmen: Dina getting backlash has little to do with her gender. If this was true, then the female composer on the team would also be getting lots of backlash. But she isn't, because she is a professional, Megaman veteran that produces quality work.[/QUOTE]
It's already been said long before the drama started that she will have nothing to do with game design or character design. Her girl beck design is only fanart. Also everyone has a different favourite game, so it shouldn't matter if her favourite game is Megaman X... if it even is her favourite.
I was reluctant to post this when I woke up, /v/ has really blown this out of proportions. As far as I know they have officially responded that she will not be having a hand in actual design (Although her Tweets say otherwise so idk) and is merely a community manager.
megaman x is the best megaman game though
[editline]12th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;43155983]let's be really vague and analogy-like for a second here
can you guys imagine seeing somebody being berated on their way to go see the movies, the crowds shouting "you're not a REAL cinema fan!!! that movie poster in your room??? haha you probably don't even know who the obscure japanese executive producer who did the illustrations on the protagonist's tattoos on his right arm is??? didn't know that??? haha thats right you FAKE MOVIE WATCHER!!!"
can you imagine people getting DDOSed after saying that they want to analyze some osrt of injustice or social issues in movies? can you imagine people getting threatened with rape or death after saying they prefer prometheus to taxi driver? [/QUOTE]
i couldn't see those things happening in real life but yeah, i could definitely see at least the latter happening on the internet, and probably the second one too
That female character drawing is deviantArt-tier guff. The face is terrible
I agree that people are seriously over-reacting to this. She may be a character designer and community manager but it doesn't look like she has a major influence in what character designs make it into the final game. So all the people who are like "Oh no she's going to completely ruin the game! :tinfoil: " are just being very paranoid. If she had a upper-tier position in designing characters and such then the worrying would be a bit justified (well more justified then it is now).
On an semi-unrelated note, while it is a bit of an exaggeration to say Mega Man X is [B]the best[/B] Mega Man game, it's still a pretty great Mega Man game. I've only had experience with the Classic series and X series so I can't really say anything on the Mega Man Zero series, Starforce series, Battle Network series, etc. I don't really get why the X series seems to be one of, if not the most disliked Mega Man series, most of the games are pretty fun to play (X6 was meh, X7 just sucked so hard.)
...Legends is best.
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