• The Mic Trick (The Jimquisition)
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Can't say I ever thought that the "mic trick" was an attempt to represent how the NPC's would communicate with the player, I always assumed it was an attempt to represent how players would actually communicate and how X game was so intense and captivating they would take it so seriously.
I don't think it's that big a deal. It's obvious bullshit the moment you hear it. I still reserved judgement on Rainbow Six until I saw real gameplay footage and the advertising has failed so hard for me on the other game that the name still hasn't sunk in even though I've now seen 3 trailers and 2 youtube videos about it. Music and audio are a large part of any experience, but it's precisely that which works against the advertising of these games for me. My strongest memories of the advertising are that they tried to advertise with bullshit pre-scripted "voice chat" conversations.
[QUOTE=subenji99;48257338]I don't think it's that big a deal. It's obvious bullshit the moment you hear it. I still reserved judgement on Rainbow Six until I saw real gameplay footage and the advertising has failed so hard for me on the other game that the name still hasn't sunk in even though I've now seen 3 trailers and 2 youtube videos about it. Music and audio are a large part of any experience, but it's precisely that which works against the advertising of these games for me. My strongest memories of the advertising are that they tried to advertise with bullshit pre-scripted "voice chat" conversations.[/QUOTE] I agree, and I think the claim that its as bad as graphical downgrades between a trailer and a game's actual launch is just ludicrous. The mic trick and graphical downgrades are both disingenuous, but graphical downgrades aren't obvious until the game is actually released and have an actual impact on the finished product.
The divisions trailer was embarrassingly terrible
All of that mic chatter just makes gameplay teasers laughable because their target audience knows how it will really go down and why is he getting mad about people fine-tuning their ads at the end there
"fuck konami"
An example of this still working when you absolutely know beforehand that this is community chatter: [video=youtube;AdfFnTt2UT0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfFnTt2UT0[/video] I'm not sure how many other people did this as well, but the moment I saw this trailer, I actually started an EVE account to see what it was all about. I get in game, and immediately I see users flaming each other (starting area, probably not representative of the rest of the game). Even when you know it's not part of the game, it still makes you want to give it a try more than not. Although I guess it could also be the music and visuals in that trailer as well.
[QUOTE=Adnap;48257457] and why is he getting mad about people fine-tuning their ads at the end there[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure he explained why in the same segment.. They're selling the audience this big grand thing that's boasts amazing tech, immersion, or attention-to-detail when it may as well be one giant scripted cut-scene.
It's an ad at a yearly event. That's not something you want to leave up to chance. Developer/publisher/whoever makes a nice ad, press digs out something closer to reality. Is this not the point of e3
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;48257523]An example of this still working when you absolutely know beforehand that this is community chatter: [video=youtube;AdfFnTt2UT0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfFnTt2UT0[/video] I'm not sure how many other people did this as well, but the moment I saw this trailer, I actually started an EVE account to see what it was all about. I get in game, and immediately I see users flaming each other (starting area, probably not representative of the rest of the game). Even when you know it's not part of the game, it still makes you want to give it a try more than not. Although I guess it could also be the music and visuals in that trailer as well.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I don't mind mic talk as long as it's taken from actual players actually playing but it's super rare in trailers.
why does jim sterling always dress like a gay nazi
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;48258513]why does jim sterling always dress like a gay nazi[/QUOTE] You mean he isn't? [editline]21st July 2015[/editline] Goddamn it, this ruins all my erotic fanfics!
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;48258513]why does jim sterling always dress like a gay nazi[/QUOTE] That's his thing I guess
WTF there is no "mic trick". They're just using mics to demonstrate a [B]co-op game[/B]. Like holy shit how delusional do you have to be to actually believe this is some evil insidious trick by ubisoft. Maybe old people who grew up without in-game voice chat assume it's the NPCs talking.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;48258513]why does jim sterling always dress like a gay nazi[/QUOTE] It's as a joke. His Jimquisition videos are him attempting to look like a dictator, what with the podium and the 'thank god for me' stuff.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;48258513]why does jim sterling always dress like a gay nazi[/QUOTE] Because he is, just ask the creator of Poxel Z. [t]https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11401419_1674311359454871_3066964156730619605_n.png?oh=70ace338dfabd8e07ae61aa464576376&oe=55EBBD1C[/t]
[QUOTE=orgornot;48258813]WTF there is no "mic trick". They're just using mics to demonstrate a [B]co-op game[/B]. Like holy shit how delusional do you have to be to actually believe this is some evil insidious trick by ubisoft. Maybe old people who grew up without in-game voice chat assume it's the NPCs talking.[/QUOTE] Honestly everything publishers do is to sell their game, so yes, this is a trick by Ubisoft. The level of insidiousness can be argued, but thinking it's proper representation of the final product is very optimistic.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;48257523]An example of this still working when you absolutely know beforehand that this is community chatter: [video=youtube;AdfFnTt2UT0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfFnTt2UT0[/video] I'm not sure how many other people did this as well, but the moment I saw this trailer, I actually started an EVE account to see what it was all about. I get in game, and immediately I see users flaming each other (starting area, probably not representative of the rest of the game). Even when you know it's not part of the game, it still makes you want to give it a try more than not. Although I guess it could also be the music and visuals in that trailer as well.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmS9vcVNr5A[/media]
[QUOTE=Ehmmett;48257554]...what? people thought that the mic audio in any of the games shown was supposed to be real? how? [editline]20th July 2015[/editline] it is cheesy as all hell but how is it supposed to 'trick' people into thinking the game has super dynamic talking npcs[/QUOTE] That's not at all what he was saying. He's saying that by hiring voice actors to read scripts you're making the game give the impression the game is more playable than it is. The Division is a good example of this. You might watch that trailer and think that game looks fun, but there's no way of knowing that. Imagine the game is still unplayable, its just extremely well animated and scripted for its stage of development. E3 demos are always rushed, but in this case the core gamplay isnt even there yet (in this hypothetical). The mic trick helps sell the idea that somebody is responsible for the actions on screen, and that they had a choice to do something different because its a game. In reality we know this to not be true, and that most demos like this require scripting from the player because everything has to fall in line in line perfectly and to use Jim's word, hide the [I]illusion[/I] its capable of being played in the way that it is. He's saying that the mic trick blurs that line, making not-games appear as games and allowing a developer to sell you anything. In other words, scripted (both in action and by scripting players voices) trailers might as well be pre-rendered trailers because they show you nothing about the game besides its assets. I cant say if I agree or not that this having a malicious effect, but the premise is basically the same as any E3 demo that can be shown on-screen but you couldn't just hand the controller over to player.
This is the worst offender, it is so bad [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cir3w-wIx9U[/media]
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;48258936]Honestly everything publishers do is to sell their game, so yes, this is a trick by Ubisoft. The level of insidiousness can be argued, but thinking it's proper representation of the final product is very optimistic.[/QUOTE] It shows the potential of the final product. If you play with retards who don't communicate well then that's your fault. Why would they show off the game with bad players? Good players communicate well. Maybe not as exaggerated and autistic as some of these demos are but you get the point.
[QUOTE=orgornot;48259105]It shows the potential of the final product. If you play with retards who don't communicate well then that's your fault. Why would they show off the game with bad players? Good players communicate well. Maybe not as exaggerated and autistic as some of these demos are but you get the point.[/QUOTE] Sure it has potential, but the playerbase [I]probably[/I] still wont be that good because it never is, especially for games like the division
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;48257523]An example of this still working when you absolutely know beforehand that this is community chatter: [video=youtube;AdfFnTt2UT0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfFnTt2UT0[/video] I'm not sure how many other people did this as well, but the moment I saw this trailer, I actually started an EVE account to see what it was all about. I get in game, and immediately I see users flaming each other (starting area, probably not representative of the rest of the game). Even when you know it's not part of the game, it still makes you want to give it a try more than not. Although I guess it could also be the music and visuals in that trailer as well.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;oBHZcWDbchs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBHZcWDbchs[/video] Planetside 2 did something similar with their announcement trailer for the game coming to PlayStation 4.
[QUOTE=Chaotic Lord;48259465]Planetside 2 did something similar with their announcement trailer for the game coming to PlayStation 4.[/QUOTE] I was with the Devil Dogs a couple of years ago when they made this, SOE just had a bunch of people in our teamspeaks to record what was going on. Shame they cherry picked all the tryhard sounding stuff because there was a lot of funny shit going on that day. Oh, and that guy's wife [i]was[/i] a terrible sundy driver.
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;48258513]why does jim sterling always dress like a gay nazi[/QUOTE] Because he's literally the neckbearded nerd we all make fun of, minus the neckbeard.
The mic trick used to always get me. I'd get that game expecting other people wanting to use real teamwork, and would be disappointed every single time. It really isn't that big of a deal though, the games would still be fun and now I just laugh when I see it in a presentation. Although, I'll admit, my buddies and I talk like that when we play Insurgency together.
How is this a trick? In The Division trailer they literally say "Look, other players."
[QUOTE=Agoat;48260821]How is this a trick? In The Division trailer they literally say "Look, other players."[/QUOTE] You're missing the point. The idea of the "trick" isn't that it's tricking into thinking they're not players, but rather that they're giving the game a better, and non-realistic, representation with all of the fake dialogue and scripted scenarios. Like, that whole stand off where the guys show up and they all aim at each other and they go "THEY'VE GOT DARKZONE GEEEEEEAAARRRR :o" is all bullshit, in the real game they're just gonna shoot each other right off the bat and insinuate their mother is overly promiscuous. Naturally, it's easy to go "well it's just a scripted trailer", and it's not like it isn't obvious, but it's just another way devs can show off fake scenarios in their games early on and get away with it.
I could never take players who act like that seriously, or act like that I would rather play with people who take the game too seriously on the other side of the spectrum and flame me, than to play with people who try and play the game too seriously by playing "I'm a real life swat member"
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