This was in my town. Honestly the protest was incredibly stupid and worked against them. The protesters also broke a 100 year old stain glass window
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;53184877]This was in my town. Honestly the protest was incredibly stupid and worked against them. The protesters also broke a 100 year old stain glass window[/QUOTE]
It seems like every attack and protest against Peterson ends up making him more popular.
[QUOTE=sgman91;53184912]It seems like every attack and protest against Peterson ends up making him more popular.[/QUOTE]
They were angry about his view on transgendered people yet where yelling at the only counter protester who was transgendered because she was saying that even if she disagreed with him he should still be allowed to talk
woah it's like a ghost train ride at the carnival
hey, just some quick thoughts
first off jordan peterson fucking sucks
it's way easier to document a single event and present it in a short, easily digestible youtube video that "proves" the conservative view that everything is ok and that anyone protesting the way that things are and are trying to change things for the better are crazy, than it is to cultivate and present just how fucked society's view is towards various minorities and how certain ways of thinking contribute to the suffering of marginalised people
people will choose to spend their time watching shorter videos that reconfirm their worldview than attempt to go through longer-form texts that challenge said worldview
humans are really, really shit at admitting when they're wrong, and will go to extreme lengths to avoid doing just that
protests by their very nature are supposed to disrupt the status quo and make people uncomfortable in order to shine a light on the ways in which onlookers view the world around them
people from marginalised groups can also contribute to the subjugation of the marginalised group to which they belong, (just look at someone like blaire white for example), and as such do not represent the entirity of said marginalised group
also a lot of people have read that first point that i posited and instantly rejected every single other one of my points, because that's the easy thing to do
g'night
That's one hell of an exit, talk about leaving in style.
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;53184877]The protesters also broke a 100 year old stain glass window[/QUOTE]
I hope they arrested whoever was responsible for that.
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;53185009]hey, just some quick thoughts
first off jordan peterson fucking sucks
it's way easier to document a single event and present it in a short, easily digestible youtube video that "proves" the conservative view that everything is ok and that anyone protesting the way that things are and are trying to change things for the better are crazy, than it is to cultivate and present just how fucked society's view is towards various minorities and how certain ways of thinking contribute to the suffering of marginalised people
people will choose to spend their time watching shorter videos that reconfirm their worldview than attempt to go through longer-form texts that challenge said worldview
[B]
humans are really, really shit at admitting when they're wrong,[/B] and will go to extreme lengths to avoid doing just that
[B]protests by their very nature [/B]are supposed to disrupt the status quo and make people uncomfortable in order to shine a light on the ways in which onlookers view the world around them
people from marginalised groups can also contribute to the subjugation of the marginalised group to which they belong, (just look at someone like blaire white for example), and as such do not represent the entirity of said marginalised group
also a lot of people have read that first point that i posited and instantly rejected every single other one of my points, because that's the easy thing to do
g'night[/QUOTE]
Would you not also say that the people who protest are also likely to display the quality you attributed to all humans?
I don't like Peterson much, but I also see the qualities you're talking about here in a group of protestors.
All those people need a hug.
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;53185009]hey, just some quick thoughts
first off jordan peterson fucking sucks
it's way easier to document a single event and present it in a short, easily digestible youtube video that "proves" the conservative view that everything is ok and that anyone protesting the way that things are and are trying to change things for the better are crazy, than it is to cultivate and present just how fucked society's view is towards various minorities and how certain ways of thinking contribute to the suffering of marginalised people
people will choose to spend their time watching shorter videos that reconfirm their worldview than attempt to go through longer-form texts that challenge said worldview
humans are really, really shit at admitting when they're wrong, and will go to extreme lengths to avoid doing just that
protests by their very nature are supposed to disrupt the status quo and make people uncomfortable in order to shine a light on the ways in which onlookers view the world around them
people from marginalised groups can also contribute to the subjugation of the marginalised group to which they belong, (just look at someone like blaire white for example), and as such do not represent the entirity of said marginalised group
also a lot of people have read that first point that i posited and instantly rejected every single other one of my points, because that's the easy thing to do
g'night[/QUOTE]
I don't really get what your point is supposed to be. Are you saying the people in this video aren't ridiculous for screaming at and threatening people for attending a public debate involving Jordan Peterson?
A 0:32 minute clip represents every position being represented. Clearly.
I just realized she spelt valuing as valueing.
This is Queen's University, one of the best Universities in Canada
Jordan Peterson isn't perfect, the protestors are not perfect, but most importantly
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;53185021]Would you not also say that the people who protest are also likely to display the quality you attributed to all humans?
I don't like Peterson much, but I also see the qualities you're talking about here in a group of protestors.[/QUOTE]
that's a good point
i guess i'm just annoyed that things are being presented in such a black and white way, where the Evil Crazy Protesters Are Emotionally Invested In Their Views To The Point Where These Calm, Intellectual Peterson Supporters Seem To Be Being Attacked For Differing Views, whilst the actual underlying conflict is far deeper and far more nuanced than this surface level apparent "attack"
i'm tempted to go further but i feel like i'd get a bunch of people commenting with "actually it's not like that at all" so for the moment i'll leave it at that
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;53185009]hey, just some quick thoughts
first off jordan peterson fucking sucks
it's way easier to document a single event and present it in a short, easily digestible youtube video that "proves" the conservative view that everything is ok and that anyone protesting the way that things are and are trying to change things for the better are crazy, than it is to cultivate and present just how fucked society's view is towards various minorities and how certain ways of thinking contribute to the suffering of marginalised people
people will choose to spend their time watching shorter videos that reconfirm their worldview than attempt to go through longer-form texts that challenge said worldview
humans are really, really shit at admitting when they're wrong, and will go to extreme lengths to avoid doing just that
[b]protests by their very nature are supposed to disrupt the status quo and make people uncomfortable in order to shine a light on the ways in which onlookers view the world around them[/b]
people from marginalised groups can also contribute to the subjugation of the marginalised group to which they belong, (just look at someone like blaire white for example), and as such do not represent the entirity of said marginalised group
also a lot of people have read that first point that i posited and instantly rejected every single other one of my points, because that's the easy thing to do
g'night[/QUOTE]
When it makes it incredibly easy to paint you as the 'villains', it's not fucking working to disrupt the status quo, all it does is fucking reinforce it. These people are idiots and are hoisting themselves by their own petard for a chance to feel like they're doing something.
People parrot that tired-ass white moderate shit, but you know how MLK managed to do [B]DISRUPTIVE, SHOCKING[/B] protest that drove the nation to action for his cause? He had people dress in their Sunday Best, taught them how to take the beating, and then had the whole nation watch as they got cattle-prodded, beaten, and shot with water cannons on live television. [B]If you are going to protest, you must make yourself the victim. This is what allows the masses to sympathize with you.
If you make your enemy the victim, you are doing his job for him.[/B]
I don't understand why people don't comprehend this. I feel like instructors have fucked up in encapsulating what it is that makes protest and nonviolent resistance something that actually works from time to time. They've taught that you need to be ~disruptive~ and ~shocking~ but they've failed to make a point of the fact that the disruptive things that the most effective protesters did were things that SHOULD'VE BEEN THEIR RIGHT TO BEGIN WITH. What you do doesn't have to be legal, but it has to be something that nobody in their right mind would easily be able to say "Wow, stop hurting/bothering those innocent people!" over. MLK just fucking marched in public and showed everyone what happened when 'black people got uppity'. Ghandhi went and collected fucking [I]salt[/I] illegally. Their protest was shocking because it displayed the brutality with which authority clamped down upon them as a result of their actions.
What's the message here? The message here is "Jordan Peterson should not have the right to say what he's saying. If you think that he does, [I]you[/I] shouldn't have the legal right to speak your mind or listen to what he has to say either."
How the fuck are you supposed to spin that into a message of liberation, of freedom or emancipation or fixing the wrongs visited upon oppressed people? It, in and if itself, is just a call for more oppression. The protesters don't 'want' anything for themselves, or help for any marginalized group. They want Jordan Peterson to shut the fuck up and get off the campus. People aren't going to view such a protest as a bunch of folks fighting to right wrongs and bring about a better world, they're going to view them as an angry mob hell-bent on getting 'their way'.
I don't know much about Jordan Peterson, but I figure that I'd disagree with just about everything that came out of his mouth. But even I can see that this is only going to get him more followers. This is the kind of thing that's slowly been turning the right wing into an edgy counterculture over the course of the past few years, because it lets [I]them[/I] play the oppressed victim even though they've got huge amounts of government control in various governments around the world. Politics is a war of fucking PR and the fact that the left's got a skewed view of how it works in regards to protests is pissing me the fuck off. No, the goal of protest isn't just the disrupt the status quo, it's supposed to [B]paint your enemy as the villain, and you as the little guy trying to get his due.[/B]
[editline]7th March 2018[/editline]
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Why is this one of the most iconic images from the Occupy Wall Street protests? Why did this cause a national explosion of attention and sympathy for the OWS protest? I mean, the officer was well within his right to pepper spray these people, right? That should be the open and close of it, right?
Except it's not, and on some level you feel in your gut that you [i]know[/i] it's not, even if it is 'legal'. That's what civil disobedience and nonviolent resistance is about. Not this struggle-session shit.
[video=youtube;xPyPSyM3B3c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPyPSyM3B3c[/video]
Here's another POV of some people leaving the lecture.
I don't know the context of this protest but Jesus these "protester" were acting like those stereotypical bratty rich high school girl bullies that picked on literally anyone that past them. It was hard to watch these protesters dehumanized the people that were leaving.
If you skip to 2:36 in the video I linked, the part where they literally ganged up and "bullied" the one girl who was trying to explain her side of view out was pretty frustrating to watch. Props to her for keeping her cool.
[B]Edit 2:[/B]
The girl in the red coat POV:
[video=youtube;JCTwzkZGd_g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCTwzkZGd_g[/video]
"They are people out here fighting for their fucking lives!"
Jesus fucking Christ...
imaging using a drake meme on your protest sign and then being asked to be taken seriously
I mean, if you’re gonna protest at least protest when it’s warrented. Like whenever he goes on TV/podcasts/radio and says stupid shit about those “evil anarchy-communist sjw’s” or whatever. Not when he’s just doing his psychology lectures (which, just for the record, are actually really good and informative to watch).
god I hate these people lmao.
"fighting for their lives"
"white supremacist"
Always the same shit. And then they victimize themselves. Happens at my university over the smallest shit.
Some people are so dramatic. Peterson isn't destroying the world.
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;53185756]Some people are so dramatic. Peterson isn't destroying the world, calm down.[/QUOTE]
He might as well be to these people, who probably spend most of their time on social media consuming whatever particular narratives suit their views.
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;53185756]Some people are so dramatic. Peterson isn't destroying the world, calm down.[/QUOTE]
Considering he's also a climate change denier on top of being a lunatic, I'd say he's contributing enough.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;53185606]I mean, if you’re gonna protest at least protest when it’s warrented. Like whenever he goes on TV/podcasts/radio and says stupid shit about those “evil anarchy-communist sjw’s” or whatever. Not when he’s just doing his psychology lectures (which, just for the record, are actually really good and informative to watch).[/QUOTE]
His psychology lectures aren't even particularly groundbreaking and he's not the superstar of his field that his lobsters seem convinced that he is. He just regurgitates a bunch of Jungian stuff for the most part as if it is irrefutable.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that initially became aware of Peterson's existence as a direct result of this kind of disproportionate and melodramatic protest.
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;53185826]His psychology lectures aren't even particularly groundbreaking and he's not the superstar of his field that his lobsters seem convinced that he is. He just regurgitates a bunch of Jungian stuff for the most part as if it is irrefutable.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure why he's so infatuated with Jung when it seems like the majority of the psychologists don't take him seriously. Sure he's good to study for a historical understanding of the development of psychoanalysis but like Freud he's really more of a philosopher than a scientist.
[QUOTE=ferrus;53185840]I'm sure I'm not the only one that initially became aware of Peterson's existence as a direct result of this kind of disproportionate and melodramatic protest.[/QUOTE]
For me it was Tudd constantly posting videos and news threads about him
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;53185826]His psychology lectures aren't even particularly groundbreaking and he's not the superstar of his field that his lobsters seem convinced that he is. He just regurgitates a bunch of Jungian stuff for the most part as if it is irrefutable.[/QUOTE]
Since when did a lecture have to be "groundbreaking", and when did a tutor have to be a "superstar" of their field? The purpose mainly is to educate, and my point was that his lectures on psychology are interesting to listen to because they do they job of teaching the subject very well. He's a complete bumbling idiot in any other topic, though. Sociology =/= Psychology.
[QUOTE=Hobo4President;53185846]I'm not sure why he's so infatuated with Jung when it seems like the majority of the psychologists don't take him seriously. Sure he's good to study for a historical understanding of the development of psychoanalysis but like Freud he's really more of a philosopher than a scientist.[/QUOTE]
Definitely not. Jung founded the principles of analytical psychology, which is different from psychoanalysis. It's just a different method of investigation & treatment. The world of psychology has gone far since Freud, Skinner and Wundt but the majority of modern psychology is still founded on their discoveries, so saying they were more "philosopher than scientist" is a bit like disregarding Einstein as a scientist just because we've grown since his era - it's a bit ignorant.
why does one of them have a ratchet lmao.
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[QUOTE=Prettyflacko;53185523]The girl in the red coat POV:
[video=youtube;JCTwzkZGd_g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCTwzkZGd_g[/video][/QUOTE]
everything else aside it's a bit creepy that one of the protesters immediately jump to asking to add her on facebook. especially since it's the blue glove girl who I reckon is being the most intimidating/seems the most unhinged in all the videos.
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