I don't understand why they keep talking about this as information on Star Wars and side stories, this story really didn't need to be told and the movie could exist standalone outside of Star Wars.
I sorta super disagree with a lot of Chris' opinions on this. He argues it needs more Vader, when every moment Vader was in it lessens the weight of every other moment. Using Vader sparingly was what made him badass, the more Vader in the movie the less powerful the moments where he is in the movie are. Or the characters being boring and forgettable, in reality they're just not. What they are is not quippy and sarcy like every Joss Whedon character ever written, and his style of character writing has pretty much taken over mainstream movies nowadays. Just think Marvel. Just because Jyn and co aren't like that doesn't mean they're boring.
Oh and on the crawl: why does everyone love the crawl, giving your audience a massive text exposition dump is [B]terrible[/B] storytelling.
Oh and also it's still awesome to see a YouTuber I like, and one of my all time favorite YouTubers making a video together! Even if I kinda disagree with both of them and actually thought this movie was a even better than Force Awakens.
[QUOTE=Rossy167;51602092]I don't understand why they keep talking about this as information on Star Wars and side stories, this story really didn't need to be told and the movie could exist standalone outside of Star Wars.
I sorta super disagree with a lot of Chris' opinions on this. He argues it needs more Vader, when every moment Vader was in it lessens the weight of every other moment. Using Vader sparingly was what made him badass, the more Vader in the movie the less powerful the moments where he is in the movie are. Or the characters being boring and forgettable, in reality they're just not. What they are is not quippy and sarcy like every Joss Whedon character ever written, and his style of character writing has pretty much taken over mainstream movies nowadays. Just think Marvel. Just because Jyn and co aren't like that doesn't mean they're boring.
Oh and on the crawl: why does everyone love the crawl, giving your audience a massive text exposition dump is [B]terrible[/B] storytelling.
Oh and also it's still awesome to see a YouTuber I like, and one of my all time favorite YouTubers making a video together! Even if I kinda disagree with both of them and actually thought this movie was a even better than Force Awakens.[/QUOTE]
Not everyone is gonna agree on this movie, just like how not everyone agreed about TFA. I felt like this video overall echoed what most of my friends have said, that the first half of the film was pretty weak and the characters weren't interesting but the later part of the film and action sequences bail it all out. I wouldn't say it was better than TFA, I'd personally say they were equal. The lack of jedi is what really made the movie for me, I'm so sick of seeing jedi and lightsabers everywhere in the films.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51602170]Rogue One was mediocre with occasional great moments.[/QUOTE]
Trash characters mixed with great visuals
[QUOTE=Rossy167;51602092]Or the characters being boring and forgettable, in reality they're just not. What they are is not quippy and sarcy like every Joss Whedon character ever written, and his style of character writing has pretty much taken over mainstream movies nowadays. Just think Marvel. Just because Jyn and co aren't like that doesn't mean they're boring. [/QUOTE]
It's not the tone of the movie or the fact that they don't go around making jokes every five seconds. The acting simply isn't as strong and they aren't developed anywhere near as much as they are in TFA. You can have gritty characters and still have charisma.
I saw Rogue One two weeks ago and watched TFA for the second time ever since last December last night and imo TFA crushes it.
[QUOTE=Clovernoodle;51602345]Trash characters mixed with great visuals[/QUOTE]
We're talking about Rogue One, not The Force Awakens.
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[QUOTE=Splarg!;51602476]It's not the tone of the movie or the fact that they don't go around making jokes every five seconds. The acting simply isn't as strong and they aren't developed anywhere near as much as they are in TFA. You can have gritty characters and still have charisma.
I saw Rogue One two weeks ago and watched TFA for the second time ever since last December last night and imo TFA crushes it.[/QUOTE]
TFA essentially just retreads the original film. The lead has next to no character development, the script relies too heavily on Marvel-style humor and throwbacks and the movie just plays it safe all around, only killing Han because they need to fill a "kill mentor character" quote, and Harrison Ford probably wanted out anyways.
Rogue One's script, characters, style and tone just steamrolls The Force Awakens. JJ went on and on about he wanted to make TFA "gritty" like the original trilogy, Rogue One actually succeeds in that. The whole black and white morality is gone, at least for the Rebellion, it actually has a competent and likable lead (who, by the way, has character development, her own arc, and motivation), much more enjoyable action scenes, and a great aesthetic and set design.
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