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Jesus pay attention. The christians have blown this argument out of the water. That doesn't make their answer right, but it means you can't have this as a complaint without looking like a total fucking douche.
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[QUOTE=BmB;23410362]Jesus pay attention. The christians have blown this argument out of the water. That doesn't make their answer right, but it means you can't have this as a complaint without looking like a total fucking douche.[/QUOTE]
Their argument is that this is a testing ground and that we need free will otherwise it's evil. The problem is that if we only had the capacity for good actions in our free will, it would be way better. What's wrong with not having negative things/thoughts? Would we miss them? I don't think so, not if we could still act under our own accord. It just requires our brains to be wired differently.
[QUOTE=BmB;23410362]Jesus pay attention. The christians have blown this argument out of the water. That doesn't make their answer right, but it means you can't have this as a complaint without looking like a total fucking douche.[/QUOTE]
Uh yes you can
problem of evil and suffering is still one of the largest arguments against God going.
the epicurean dilemma is still unshaken.
I mean, read The Brothers Karamazov, it shits all over the defences of evil and suffering.
in essence, we can't defend evil by saying "it's free will, or it's soul making" because if you do, then you haven't experienced evil.
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Good wouldn't feel as good without the bad in between.
Just sayin'
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;23413718]Uh yes you can
problem of evil and suffering is still one of the largest arguments against God going.
the epicurean dilemma is still unshaken.
I mean, read The Brothers Karamazov, it shits all over the defences of evil and suffering.
in essence, we can't defend evil by saying "it's free will, or it's soul making" because if you do, then you haven't experienced evil.[/QUOTE]
You can't experience evil at all. Evil is circumstantial. And highly dependent on your viewpoint. Like it or not, but the free will argument holds up. Where it breaks down is that *god does not make sense to begin with*.
[QUOTE=BmB;23414125]You can't experience evil at all. Evil is circumstantial. And highly dependent on your viewpoint. Like it or not, but the free will argument holds up. Where it breaks down is that *god does not make sense to begin with*.[/QUOTE]
Except the Free Will argument only comes into play when God exists.
And no, it doesn't hold up, for the same reason that the problem of evil and suffering is still a problem for most if not all people of faith.
Exactly, you shouldn't even be talking about it if you don't even believe in god. Talk about how little sense god makes and don't dabble in things you clearly don't understand and look like a total fucking moron.
It really does hold up. It makes perfect sense.
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[QUOTE=BmB;23414225]Exactly, you shouldn't even be talking about it if you don't even believe in god. Talk about how little sense god makes and don't dabble in things you clearly don't understand and look like a total fucking moron.
It really does hold up. It makes perfect sense.[/QUOTE]
But it doesn't. If it did, then as I said, it wouldn't still be a problem.
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[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;23414254]But it doesn't. If it did, then as I said, it wouldn't still be a problem.[/QUOTE]
It's only a problem because you refuse to understand it. And by you I mean anti-christians in general.
I believe in God, rate me dumb...
"sin" isn't measured or scaled in the bible, it could be genocides to stealing a fucking penny. bible also doesn't say that its god divinely intervenes on sin, it's people's decisions, not subject to be controlled by god and shit.
[QUOTE=BmB;23414342]It's only a problem because you refuse to understand it. And by you I mean anti-christians in general.[/QUOTE]
Way to generalize all atheists as close-minded :colbert:
Not all, necessarily. But going from an otherwise reasonable argument to severely misrepresenting their position is an all too common theme from people who are pretty much in the enviable position of already having won the argument, the opposition just don't realize. Shit like this is 100% unneeded.
[QUOTE=BmB;23414435]Not all, necessarily. But going from an otherwise reasonable argument to severely misrepresenting their position is an all too common theme from people who are pretty much in the enviable position of already having won the argument, the opposition just don't realize. Shit like this is 100% unneeded.[/QUOTE]
But it is.
His criticisms are valid. If a child minder allowed a child to burn themselves on a stove or something, they would berated or fired. The double standard concerning God is wrong, and free will does nothing to prevent it.
And if we take the position of Dostoyevsky, then the argument from Christianity isn't reasonable, it's disgusting, using examples of Russian landlords allowing a boy to be hunted down and torn apart by dogs because he wronged him. Saying God gave us the free will to act rightly or wrongly make look great on paper or in philosophical debate, but how much value do you think that has to the child.
And if anything, your view of evil being circumstantial and dependent on viewpoint only goes to prove his point that you don't know/haven't experienced what evil is. "Fluffy western evil", such as being mugged or your house being burgled, as opposed to watching your family starve to death, being eaten alive by animals or having entire peoples wiped out by war.
[QUOTE=Levithan;23414109]Good wouldn't feel as good without the bad in between.
Just sayin'[/QUOTE]
Well everything you just say so far has been retarded so stop just saying things.
[QUOTE=Levithan;23414109]Good wouldn't feel as good without the bad in between.
Just sayin'[/QUOTE]
Easy to say this when the "bad in between" isn't having your entire family shot infront of you.
[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;23414385]Way to generalize all atheists as close-minded :colbert:[/QUOTE]
He never said anything about athiests. He was talking about anti-christians.
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[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;23415083]But it is.
His criticisms are valid. If a child minder allowed a child to burn themselves on a stove or something, they would berated or fired. The double standard concerning God is wrong, and free will does nothing to prevent it.
And if we take the position of Dostoyevsky, then the argument from Christianity isn't reasonable, it's disgusting, using examples of Russian landlords allowing a boy to be hunted down and torn apart by dogs because he wronged him. Saying God gave us the free will to act rightly or wrongly make look great on paper or in philosophical debate, but how much value do you think that has to the child.
And if anything, your view of evil being circumstantial and dependent on viewpoint only goes to prove his point that you don't know/haven't experienced what evil is. "Fluffy western evil", such as being mugged or your house being burgled, as opposed to watching your family starve to death, being eaten alive by animals or having entire peoples wiped out by war.[/QUOTE]
You didn't read a thing I said. In fact I might go as far as saying you misrepresented my position. And that is never needed.
There's a pronoun going around that you might have heard of. Nothing is so bad it isn't good for something.
Taking genocide as an example, sure it's no fun for the ones stuck in Auschwitz, but the other party only does it because they genuinely think it will better the world. How is that really "evil"?
[QUOTE=BmB;23416243]You didn't read a thing I said. In fact I might go as far as saying you misrepresented my position. And that is never needed.
There's a pronoun going around that you might have heard of. Nothing is so bad it isn't good for something.
Taking genocide as an example, sure it's no fun for the ones stuck in Auschwitz, but the other party only does it because they genuinely think it will better the world. How is that really "evil"?[/QUOTE]
I don't think killing people is a very natural instinct for people in a 'modern' society (except for capital punishment).
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