Totalbiscuit takes an in-depth look at Mess Effect: Andromeda
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[video=youtube;lptcmV6k_u4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lptcmV6k_u4[/video]
1:53:44 long :dogwow:
So... what does he say? I won't watch it but I'm interested in his opinion.
[QUOTE=Loadingue;52022355]So... what does he say? I won't watch it but I'm interested in his opinion.[/QUOTE]
he immediately makes a point that he's going to do a [i]lot[/i] of talking over the whole experience he got, because reviewing it amidst all the loud noise people are making over all the goofy shit is tough and there's a lot more to talk about than hurr dburr animations bad. It's a review, not a dunkey video
I'll still see if there's much of a tl;dr to hand off after listening for a bit
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I don't have epilepsy but holy fuck the fast pulsing rings in the ship warp effect is messing with me
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he really loves the mobility of combat, and how the classes are handled. It looks fun in that aspect!
Haven't watched it yet but judging from his streams he agrees that animations are jank and writing isn't great, but it's not enough to stop him enjoying the game. He also seems to really enjoy the multiplayer.
[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;52022383]Haven't watched it yet but judging from his streams he agrees that animations are jank and[B] writing isn't great[/B], but it's not enough to stop him enjoying the game.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand people like this. Mass Effect games [I]are[/I] their writing. You go into ME to enjoy the character, plot, setting and story. The series actively got worse when the focus shifted off the writing and onto being gears of war.
People play games for different reasons. Who the fuck knew.
[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;52022411]People play games for different reasons. Who the fuck knew.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but surely if your interest is in the raw gameplay of it, you'd play a game that focuses on that, yeah? Because ME, even at its peak of gameplay with ME3, has [I]never[/I] had amazing combat. Its only ever been serviceable, and most often repetitive as all hell. ME:A seems to have shifted completely into being a gamey shooty mc shooty game, but it just has me confused. Who the hell is buying all these mass effect games for the shoddy combat and not for the writing? Who plays a game that misses the point of it's own series and goes "yeah idk at least it kind of feels like gears of war?"
[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;52022411]People play games for different reasons. Who the fuck knew.[/QUOTE]
If you're going to force a player to deal with dialogue, make it good dialogue. Otherwise don't add it in mass. People will just see it for what it is, a dialogue heavy game with poor writing, and they'll judge it harshly for that.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52022405]I don't understand people like this. Mass Effect games [I]are[/I] their writing. You go into ME to enjoy the character, plot, setting and story. The series actively got worse when the focus shifted off the writing and onto being gears of war.[/QUOTE]
While you are absolutely right, the MP still remains fun if a mess.
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[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52022430]Yeah but surely if your interest is in the raw gameplay of it, you'd play a game that focuses on that, yeah? Because ME, even at its peak of gameplay with ME3, has [I]never[/I] had amazing combat. Its only ever been serviceable, and most often repetitive as all hell. ME:A seems to have shifted completely into being a gamey shooty mc shooty game, but it just has me confused. Who the hell is buying all these mass effect games for the shoddy combat and not for the writing? Who plays a game that misses the point of it's own series and goes "yeah idk at least it kind of feels like gears of war?"[/QUOTE]
People who don't listen to writing and have their own headcanon (you think this is hyperbolic sarcasm and then BSN is a real thing, even right now.)
People who like playing with their friends in shared universe MP that is 100% co-op.
I wish they sold the multiplayer as a seperate standalone, and that's saying something because I'm not usually into multiplayer games.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52022430]Yeah but surely if your interest is in the raw gameplay of it, you'd play a game that focuses on that, yeah? Because ME, even at its peak of gameplay with ME3, has [I]never[/I] had amazing combat. Its only ever been serviceable, and most often repetitive as all hell. ME:A seems to have shifted completely into being a gamey shooty mc shooty game, but it just has me confused. Who the hell is buying all these mass effect games for the shoddy combat and not for the writing? [U]Who plays a game that misses the point of it's own series and goes "yeah idk at least it kind of feels like gears of war?"[/U][/QUOTE]
Insane amount of people. Wasn't Resident Evil turned into a shooter with RE4 and was insanely successful ? Then there are millions of people who bought Hitman Absolution because it is more a shooter than it is a stealth game. With 3 million owners just on Steam, it may even be the best selling game in the franchise. Those are two that I can remember from the top of my head.
This is probably one of the most unbiased reviews you'll watch. For those who tl;dw - "A good 7/10 game. Deeply flawed, but good. It's the journey that matters and the journey is good."
[QUOTE=Waffler;52022642]This is probably one of the most unbiased reviews you'll watch. For those who tl;dw - "A good 7/10 game. Deeply flawed, but good. It's the journey that matters and the journey is good."[/QUOTE]
That might be a fair ME3 review, but WTF does it have to do with MEA? The journey is bad, there barely is a journey.
Also 7/10 for a game that is bad in tech and writing?
[QUOTE=AntonioR;52022510]Insane amount of people. Wasn't Resident Evil turned into a shooter with RE4 and was insanely successful ? Then there are millions of people who bought Hitman Absolution because it is more a shooter than it is a stealth game. With 3 million owners just on Steam, it may even be the best selling game in the franchise. Those are two that I can remember from the top of my head.[/QUOTE]
Sometimes drastically changing up a series can work, though I personally haven't played Andromeda to say anything on that. To add to your list, isn't Breath of the Wild a perfect example that's super recent?
TB has always been a mechanics/gameplay kind of guy, and he pretty much said on the podcast to Jesse.
"I can't wait for you to play it and come back in a few weeks to tell me how trash the game is, because we look in such vastly different things in games. I'm honestly really looking forward to it."
From what I can gather, animations writing and story is pretty much jank, but the combat specifically is really solid. Which is a shame because it IS a mass effect game.
All it really has done for me is make me want to go back and play mass effect 2
[QUOTE=dai;52022379]he immediately makes a point that he's going to do a [i]lot[/i] of talking over the whole experience he got, because reviewing it amidst all the loud noise people are making over all the goofy shit is tough and there's a lot more to talk about than hurr dburr animations bad. [b]It's a review, not a dunkey video[/b]
I'll still see if there's much of a tl;dr to hand off after listening for a bit
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I don't have epilepsy but holy fuck the fast pulsing rings in the ship warp effect is messing with me
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he really loves the mobility of combat, and how the classes are handled. It looks fun in that aspect![/QUOTE]
Funny you use that as an example- dunky's video is one of the few reviewer videos that tackles why the game is bad beyond goofy animations.
[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;52022411]People play games for different reasons. Who the fuck knew.[/QUOTE]
The Mass Effect games are RPGs, so if the writing in particular sucks then jeez I'm pretty sure it fail as an RPG.
[QUOTE=27X;52022451]People who don't listen to writing and have their own headcanon (you think this is hyperbolic sarcasm and then BSN is a real thing, even right now.)[/QUOTE]
i still cannot believe the lengths some people will go to defend a bad rpg.
i guess you can mute the game and blindfold yourself every time there isn't combat going on in order to ignore everything that is wrong with the game. and that's if you're lucky and the combat isn't buggy, and you enjoy a dumbed down experience that strips previous options away to play MORE combat.
I really like the gameplay but I need the writing personally, especially in a ME type game :/
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52022430]Yeah but surely if your interest is in the raw gameplay of it, you'd play a game that focuses on that, yeah? Because ME, even at its peak of gameplay with ME3, has [I]never[/I] had amazing combat. Its only ever been serviceable, and most often repetitive as all hell. ME:A seems to have shifted completely into being a gamey shooty mc shooty game, but it just has me confused. Who the hell is buying all these mass effect games for the shoddy combat and not for the writing? Who plays a game that misses the point of it's own series and goes "yeah idk at least it kind of feels like gears of war?"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52022969]If you're just going in for the MP you're paying 60 dollars for what isn't even half of the game. If you're in it for the combat it's going to be severly bottlenecked by cringe and jank.
This isn't a hawaiian pizza, you can't just pick the pineapple out.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bdd458;52022997]The Mass Effect games are RPGs, so if the writing in particular sucks then jeez I'm pretty sure it fail as an RPG.[/QUOTE]
I agree with all of this but none of these are reasons why someone with their own tastes can't enjoy the game.
[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;52023084]I agree with all of this but none of these are reasons why someone with their own tastes can't enjoy the game.[/QUOTE]
yes that is true. anyone can like literally anything and nobody can stop them from liking literally anything.
however, what is the harm in telling people to stop wasting their $60 on a bad product when they can either wait for a big sale or buy and play something far more worth their time, made by people who actually want to make a product worth their time? this is the struggle of the video game industry. people said "this looks good enough, it's mass effect after all!" and gave EA a sales number that they can use later to justify continuing killing off game studios and making sub-high school project levels of trash and using homosexuals as shields against criticism. yeah, remember that?
it's far worse than just playing a shitty game. try being a responsible fucking human being with your wallet or, at the very least, your morals and self dignity. stop paying for garbage. have some self respect for yourselves.
All I ever wanted is interesting companions and characters that are in the main character's "bubble". I can see past all the technical difficulties including the animations if the companions were interesting. But they aren't, the only two that are just barely interesting for me is Drack (the krogan) and Vetra (the female turian). Seriously, from going from just finishing mass effect 3 (vanguard on insanity) and actually playing the citadel DLC for the first time (when I last played, it was at release) just makes me almost cry in comparison. Yes, the citadel DLC is dumb to compare to but all the characters in ME3, including beefcake James have a lot of personality and charm even without that much actual dialogue. Watching Andromeda's companions and their dialogues doesn't get me to care about the characters and ITS JUST SO BORING OR LAME.
How can you mess up something as possibly cool as a "human huntress" and making them the most boring companion possible? They don't need to be all "loco" as James to be funny, interesting and charming. Samara is a good example of a very interesting character who is chill. Sorry for ranting but holy fuck. Now since the biggest part why I play the Mass Effect series are entirely erased its very very hard to not nitpick on every single thing there is in this game.
It's even more frustrating with how fun the combat can look at some situations, and I love the idea of a basically classless system. There are some issues I have with it, but it looks hella fun from the streams I regularly watch and chill with, especially on insanity which appeals to me as a gamer.
tl;dr I just wanted good companions, got literal trash instead, easy to nitpick everything else due to it.
[sp]I really should watch the video instead of ranting, but my opinions are very strong and very fresh as I said earlier with just completing a 100% run of Mass Effect 3.[/sp]
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;52022405]I don't understand people like this. Mass Effect games [I]are[/I] their writing. You go into ME to enjoy the character, plot, setting and story. The series actively got worse when the focus shifted off the writing and onto being gears of war.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, a lot of people also think the games got better the more the gameplay was refined, but then you had strong mainstay party members and significant characters even despite ME3's ending that could keep people's interests.
And yet while the writing isn't all bad in Andromeda, having people make whole new experiences when only the gameplay is the reliable thing you can count on for the experience means that you strictly a universe / lore perspective to be tied to. And ME:A plays faster and looser with that stuff than ever before just to justify its entire concept.
[QUOTE=General J;52022982]Funny you use that as an example- dunky's video is one of the few reviewer videos that tackles why the game is bad beyond goofy animations.[/QUOTE]
That's fair, when dunk reviews he actually digs in, but I'm so used to his goofy highlight reels. His review of mea was staggeringly serious toned but still felt petty and clouded by the raw hatred and over analysis we're getting from the Internet right now. Didn't he even say the combat system was awful and limited?
[QUOTE=dai;52023641]That's fair, when dunk reviews he actually digs in, but I'm so used to his goofy highlight reels. His review of mea was staggeringly serious toned but still felt petty and clouded by the raw hatred and over analysis we're getting from the Internet right now. Didn't he even say the combat system was awful and limited?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there are some parts of his criticism where I couldn't help but feel that he was judging the game way too harshly on some of its merits.
Imagine if Dark Souls 4 came out and it wasn't combat focused and instead had really weak combat but a heavy dialogue and choice focus
Practically everyone would be pretty pissed and have every right so
so when people are mad when a dialogue heavy game changes focus to combat, its not something to be surprised about
[QUOTE=dai;52023641]That's fair, when dunk reviews he actually digs in, but I'm so used to his goofy highlight reels. His review of mea was staggeringly serious toned but still felt petty and clouded by the raw hatred and over analysis we're getting from the Internet right now. Didn't he even say the combat system was awful and limited?[/QUOTE]
With how terribly organized and tedious crafting is its likely he couldn't even get [I]into[/I] the combat system properly tbh
[QUOTE=TheJoey;52023021]i still cannot believe the lengths some people will go to defend a bad rpg.
i guess you can mute the game and blindfold yourself every time there isn't combat going on in order to ignore everything that is wrong with the game. and that's if you're lucky and the combat isn't buggy, and you enjoy a dumbed down experience that strips previous options away to play MORE combat.[/QUOTE]
I dare you to spend an hour at the BSN unofficial forums single player section without making a noise out loud. Just an hour.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52023690]Imagine if Dark Souls 4 came out and it wasn't combat focused and instead had really weak combat but a heavy dialogue and choice focus
Practically everyone would be pretty pissed and have every right so
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Yes but there would still be people like me who play a Dark Souls games for exploration. (or other reasons, but that's mine)
I just had an experience with the writing that was actually good.
Between talking to Gil briefly for a mission, and speaking to Liam and Jaal, I had a few very good conversations very reminiscent of ME1 in just 5 minutes. It's not like it's the first time in the game either.
Jaal and Liam literally have a whole conversation about discovering what it takes to offend one another, an interesting take on the alien element we saw ignored in Mass Effect 1-3.
Also, Vetra's lines are well written and so is the romance around it.
Tali the walking codex in ME1
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