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I'm pretty sure we all agree with this statement.
I hate the fact that we've gone from companies releasing a game that's feature complete to games being in obvious alpha and beta and having problems that need several patches to fix bugs that shouldn't exist.
I partly blame the rise of the internet. Why release a competent product when you can just shove out a patch because you know most of your audience has an internet connection.
is the guy talkin okay?
Sounds like Valve made the pendulum swing into the opposite extreme when people complained about Greenlight being a messy bottleneck. Now we got a messy clusterfuck instead.
I guess the user reviews were an attempt at pushing back the crap without reverting the entire system, but as Mr Sterling points out that doesn't work for a whole bunch of reasons.
Curious to see how Valve's gonna handle this, I've seen quite a few people reconsidering their respect of Steam based on what's currently going on. Tho personally I pretty much just go there when I already know I want game X and have already done some research on X, so the mess surrounding it just flies over my head.
I don't have a problem with companies releasing early alphas. Aslong as they clearly define it as such and do actually finish the game at somepoint then that's up to the people buying the game, that's not a problem in my eyes. People can spend their money how they want, although if they do so expecting a working finished game, then that's their own stupid fault.
However, I do agree that some of the stuff getting shit out of greenlight is terrible and steam really needs to have some kind of quality control. Also the forums should not be moderated by the game developers, that's a really big fucking obvious conflict of interest.
I do agree with megafat though, a lot of companies are rushing out games to get them to market, probably more the publishers fault than the developers because games can be patched but if you're paying £40 or more for a finished product but it doesn't work on day 1, that's really not acceptable.
It's a shame the laws for the industry and buying digital games haven't been updated to give us, the video games consumer some kind of protection against things like Sim city (which I still think is garbage and wish I could get a refund). The Diablo III incident, the shoddy state at which Total War: Rome 2 was released and many more.
Just because we bought a digital copy, doesn't mean we should lose our rights to return a peice of shit that doesn't work.
[QUOTE=Medevila;43883533]boo it's too hard to get a game on steam
boo it's too easy to get a game on steam
There's no middle ground the argument will always fall one of two directions[/QUOTE]
I think the argument here is "boo it's too easy to get an unfinished/bad game on steam" which is completely true.
Also I haven't heard "it's too hard to get a game on steam" in a long, long while. Are you sure we're talking about the same platform?
if you don't want an unfinished game then seriously, RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY.
ALWAYS research before you buy.
all it takes to find out "Game tycoon" for example has issues is a look at all the reviews.
I doubt the Great Game Crash that seems to constantly be around the corner is even possible these days with how easy it is to make and distribute video games. What I do see losing momentum is the greenlight/early access/kickstarter/crowd-source/Shit Indie Game "market" as it were. People are just going to become fed up and apathetic after being burned so many times by these games that have great ideas and cool charts and concept art but utterly fail because their programmers and artists aren't up to snuff.
[QUOTE=Medevila;43883533]
There's no middle ground the argument will always fall one of two directions[/QUOTE]
Totally disagree. There is definitely a middle ground between games that work and games that don't work. Steam shouldn't be selling games that don't work. It's disastrous to their consumers and their reputation.
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;43883643]if you don't want an unfinished game then seriously, RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY.
ALWAYS research before you buy.
all it takes to find out "Game tycoon" for example has issues is a look at all the reviews.[/QUOTE]
The final purchase is up to the consumer but Steam and the developers both hold responsibility for selling a product that doesn't work as advertised, or flat out doesn't work at all.
I just had an interesting thought: Could Steam become the deviant Art of video games?
[QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;43883783]I just had an interesting thought: Could Steam become the deviant Art of video games?[/QUOTE]
That title will always be held by Gamemaker.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;43883671]I doubt the Great Game Crash that seems to constantly be around the corner is even possible these days with how easy it is to make and distribute video games. What I do see losing momentum is the greenlight/early access/kickstarter/crowd-source/Shit Indie Game "market" as it were. People are just going to become fed up and apathetic after being burned so many times by these games that have great ideas and cool charts and concept art but utterly fail because their programmers and artists aren't up to snuff.
Totally disagree. There is definitely a middle ground between games that work and games that don't work. Steam shouldn't be selling games that don't work. It's disastrous to their consumers and their reputation.
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
The final purchase is up to the consumer but Steam and the developers both hold responsibility for selling a product that doesn't work as advertised, or flat out doesn't work at all.[/QUOTE]
Greenlight is fucked and something like Badratz or "Game tycoon" shouldn't even be considered
that or those shitty minecraft clones.
[QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;43883783]I just had an interesting thought: Could Steam become the deviant Art of video games?[/QUOTE]Almost already is
Remember that Gabe and others at Valve ultimately want to see virtually all restrictions removed from Steam, meaning anyone could upload content to it and anyone could access it. Gabe wants less gatekeeping to make it a more open platform, not more.
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
As for broken/not working games. They typically do offer users refunds if a game flat out does not work but was advertised that it would (Day One: Garry's Incident), or blatantly misleading and false claims (War Z). After the initial launch though, it genuinely does fall down to the buyer to do research in to them to know what they are getting, as Jinx said.
ew i dont like this game this game is bad
why did they put this game on steam, ew
stop putting bad games on steam because theyre bad
theyre bad because opinions and my opinion is all that matters
eww stop
guys please listen to me
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43884391]ew i dont like this game this game is bad
why did they put this game on steam, ew
stop putting bad games on steam because theyre bad
theyre bad because opinions and my opinion is all that matters
eww stop
guys please listen to me[/QUOTE]
A game being buggy and borderline unplayable is not a matter of taste.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43884615]Also his voice pisses me off, so I might just be biased because he keeps sounding like a smug arse.[/QUOTE]
It is called acting and having a character, some people like it some people don't, you can't please everyone.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43884615]Except he's talking about the concept of games as well, not just their buggyness or how unplayable they are. He's doing a lot of generalizing.
Also his voice pisses me off, so I might just be biased because he keeps sounding like a smug arse.[/QUOTE]
When he's making his points and his face isn't on screen, he isn't in character.
Just because he's british doesn't mean he's automatically snobby.
He is largely talking about games coming out that are just technically pieces of shit. Pretty much every game he showed in this video had a bunch of technical issues to start with or had a long string of them.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43884391]ew i dont like this game this game is bad
why did they put this game on steam, ew
stop putting bad games on steam because theyre bad
theyre bad because opinions and my opinion is all that matters
eww stop
guys please listen to me[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43884615]Except he's talking about the concept of games as well, not just their buggyness or how unplayable they are. He's doing a lot of generalizing.
Also his voice pisses me off, so I might just be biased because he keeps sounding like a smug arse.[/QUOTE]
Some concepts are just obviously broken the moment they're an idea
It's steams fault that I didn't do my research and bought a shitty broken game.
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;43885150]It's steams fault that I didn't do my research and bought a shitty broken game.[/QUOTE]
Also it is Steam's fault that we as shitty community voted for shit games to be on steam.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;43884615]Except he's talking about the concept of games as well, not just their buggyness or how unplayable they are. He's doing a lot of generalizing.
Also his voice pisses me off, so I might just be biased because he keeps sounding like a smug arse.[/QUOTE]
Whats wrong with his voice? That's how some people in Britain normally speak.
I'm kinda fine with the clusterfuck. As long good indie games get the spotlight.
As long people could clearly see the reviews then it's their fault if they've bought a bad game (unless they are the first bunch of people who bought the game).
One big nono is silencing reviews or fabricating false reviews. Game dev or publishers who do that should have their game banned from sale and publicly denounced.
There needs to be less anime games and more proper games on steam.
I'd be partially satisfied if there was some option to filter out greenlit and early access games from the store. If a game I actually want is getting greenlit I'll know about it through news posts somewhere or I can disable the filter and check the store every few weeks for everything new greenlit.
Right now I don't even check the store page anymore because it's always full of crap
Valve definitely needs to put more thought into the system, they put too much faith in the community to decide what games to be put up. Front page of the store definitely needs to have anything greenlit or early access removed because that level of advertisement is irresponsible.
That said though doesn't the community deserve a fair amount of blame for what's been put up for sale?
People actually voted for Day One: Garry's Incident, people took a look at other games this visibly abysmal and chose to vote for them let alone BUY them.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;43884924]It is called acting and having a character, some people like it some people don't, you can't please everyone.[/QUOTE]
It's kind of funny that your avatar is from someone who's voice causes internet fights over it too.
i fully agree that there needs to be Greenlit and Early Access filters ...
would make easier to search everything (new releases, discounts, updates, w/e)
yet quality contrl is hard ... what seems trash to one migh be fun for someone else
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;43885150]It's steams fault that I didn't do my research and bought a shitty broken game.[/QUOTE]
Why should one have to research a game to find out if it's unplayable? A game should be playable even if the player/buyer doesn't like the game. They should have a fair judgement that doesn't get swayed by the fact the game is laggy and broken.
[QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;43883783]I just had an interesting thought: Could Steam become the deviant Art of video games?[/QUOTE]
Xbox indie games will always take that award
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