I mean, it's going to work and people are going to keep doing it.
The 'gamers' on the internet seem to forget they're in a minority when compared to the gaming public, the ones games are made for these days.
I for one can't wait to pre-order my 100 Winter lootboxes in Overwatch.
blizzard has been letting us pre-order hearthstone cards for a while now
[URL="https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/hearthstone-kobolds-and-catacombs"]https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/hearthstone-kobolds-and-catacombs[/URL]
I kinda expected this to be a Star Citizen thread.
I feel like Jim forgot about pretty much every founders pack ever. F2P games have been doing this before release for years.
[QUOTE=vladnag;52870045]The 'gamers' on the internet seem to forget they're in a minority when compared to the gaming public, the ones games are made for these days.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Almost every time I mention it people act like I'm about to drive to their house and suplex their dog.
[QUOTE=vladnag;52870045]I mean, it's going to work and people are going to keep doing it.
The 'gamers' on the internet seem to forget they're in a minority when compared to the gaming public, the ones games are made for these days.[/QUOTE]
Games were always made for the gaming public, if you really look at it. It's just that 15 years ago, we were all that term encompassed. Gaming has grown 100+ fold since. Especially since 2010.
It's actually a thing i keep thinking about. A lot of games sell 2-6 million games and i kept wondering if it was just the same 10-15 million people buying them all. I know so many people that just restlessly bounced from one AAA game to another since the early 90s.
It's incredible to me how self-destructive the video gaming industry has been since its inception. From every side there's people fucking up, from publishers pulling every dirty trick they can think of and constantly copying off of each other, to consumers swallowing it all with the same absurd complacency, to blind fools defending it all claiming nothing's wrong and that the fault always lies on the consumer, not on those who pull this shit on a regular basis.
Jim sounded absolutely dead inside for the last "oh..." at the end of the video.
I think the biggest problem with the gaming industry is that every time someone is caught outright lying or misleading their audience (be that developers, journalists or manufacturers) it really doesn't cost them anything. It's usually downplayed or taken as "part of the industry" if a developer lies to a journalists audience through whatever piece he/she is writing. Misrepresenting a product started out cute with Peter Molyneux, but got a lot scarier and insidious with No mans sky, Mass Effect 3 and Watch Dogs.
Abusing the trust of the customer became standard practice after the consoles became able to download patches. Often ironically resulting in broken games released due to more lax QA requirements from the console curators and the games just never getting patches on either consoles or PC. (Arkham Origins/Knight, Rome 2 and more. It took from 2006 to 2015 (i think?) of borderline customer exploitation until Valve and other distributors stepped in and even then only after the EU shat on their breakfast enough times.
Then came the DLC practices and all the insanely insulting market-speak that we've been subjected to more and more since 2007. It's only got more desperate, more insulting, more abusive and more disconnected from the reality of what the actual product and sale entails over the years.
Everything is now intangible, nothing spoken can be taken seriously... if it can even be genuinely comprehended at all. This marketing speech pattern is designed to confuse people and the "journalists" and "reviewers" are eating it raw and re-framing it in "consumer speak" to us, while staring at us with more insane eyes than Amy from Amy's baking company Miaowing at Gordon Ramsay and in the same way she did, they ignore any responsibility for the situation they're now in as extended marketing teams.
Sometimes, i feel like Gaming as a whole has just gone loopy. Lost its marbles. I hate this foggy madness intensely. I hate the dispassionate way we're fucked in one end and being fed in the other at the same time. I hate that being dishonest, vague and misrepresenting products is not only accepted, but expected and "fucking awesome". I hate that Micro-transactions in any other industry would be considered customer abuse and i hate that in any other industry, the customers would fucking not bite.
I hate the release/patching process i hate the DLC schemes. I hate the PR culture, i hate how every game has the same systems. I hate that the last game i was passionate for was Witcher 3. I hate that the last game before that was Shogun 2 and i hate that we never see any technological and feature experimentation. I hate that every game sort of Looks and feels the same. That the telltale signs that it's a game is always the same corridors, NPC interaction design, Quest systems, flat textures. That there's been no fundamental change to how to make a high-production value game in 15 years. The underlying philosphy and technology are both linear progressions of what existed back then... It's not acceptable.
There's literally no other industry where people can, without impunity or regulation, attempt to pass off a steaming pile of shit as a finished, full game and mislead people into buying it and upon it being broken, flat out refuse to fix it, then sell DLC for it anyway and eventually implement frivulous gambling solutions to maximize profits on a product that not only doesn't work, but doesn't do what it says it does. Outside of gaming, this shit only flies in Africa, Eastern Europe, South-East Asia and generally unregulated, poverty-stricken markets. The FUCK is going on!?
I hate the current gaming climate with a passion. Nothing is acceptable, Nothing is innovative and it's your job to bend the fuck over. Don't even get me started on the new-age Jack Thompsons either. Gaming-moralists just piss me even more off about this entire industry. Where did it go wrong? Shit was looking good in 2004.
TL;DR: god i'm so fed up with the current state of sales, marketing, PR, "journalists", Moralists, Personalities and everyone just openly lying to customers and it just being a core part of the developer/publisher/player relationship.
Ignoring the whole thing about currency, the game itself sounds lame.
Andromeda's Preorder bonuses contained lootboxes, in fact the $50 surcharge was [I]only[/I] for lootboxes.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;52870884]TL;DR: god i'm so fed up with the current state of sales, marketing, PR, "journalists", Moralists, Personalities and everyone just openly lying to customers and it just being a core part of the developer/publisher/player relationship.[/QUOTE]
Recently I've been feeling like this as well, just being fed bullshit and the consumer mass at large does not bat a single eye despite hoping they do.
The industry (AAA especially) these days reminds me of something similar to Carlin's opinion on the US. Gaming used to be this beautiful landscape of technology and entertainment and over time the whole place turned into this massive, glorified mess of shopping malls. Difference to his statement being that here we also have gambling joint infestations shitting up the aisles.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;52870884]
Everything is now intangible, nothing spoken can be taken seriously... if it can even be genuinely comprehended at all. This marketing speech pattern is designed to confuse people and the "journalists" and "reviewers" are eating it raw and re-framing it in "consumer speak" to us.[/QUOTE]
This is somewhat that I never actually realized but seriously these days every sort of announcement or presentation has to be taken with a massive grain of salt. Subconsciously I always remain very sceptical and worried about new games or content. I feel that it is rather rare that something is bein announced and you can just geniunely enjoy and be happy about the game that is going to be released.
Now each purchase is accompanied by the thought that some shady sheme or awful business practise is being shoehorned in. I'm seriously fed up by this.
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