The Zulu Empire [Extra History] - General

Episode 1 [video=youtube;BZLGKFWlRzY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZLGKFWlRzY&ab_channel=ExtraCredits[/video] Episode 2 [video=youtube;GUpaZ0hMso4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUpaZ0hMso4&ab_channel=ExtraCredits[/video] A great video series from an under-rated video channel. Episodes will be posted as they are released.

I stopped caring about Extra Credits after they proved to be absolutely dumb.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47786401]I stopped caring about Extra Credits after they proved to be absolutely dumb.[/QUOTE] Must've missed something, can you explain?

It's a shame that the Eurocentric 'we are the only developed people ever' idea has won out in most places, despite how wrong it is.

[QUOTE=Asgard;47786415]Must've missed something, can you explain?[/QUOTE] Well some people believe that Extra Credits is full of hot air and usually say what we all kinda already know. Whether this is true or not is mostly a subjective issue.

As far as I recall James (who is the main 'game developer' guy of the show) had a panel where he claimed that TotalBiscuit was both the leader of GamerGate and took cash from developers to speak positively about their game. This all without providing any sort of proof of these accusations. When TB confronted him about it James demanded that HE had to prove that he HADN'T done it, not the other way around, and was overall incredibly childish about the whole thing. Correct me if I'm wrong though, it's been a while. Video: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3QZqD3OQbM[/url] TB's response: [url]http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1skam53[/url] And I assume you can look up the rest of the ordeal yourself, it's not hard to find.

Good thing I watch for the videos rather than whatever political stupidity is going on in muh vidyo gayme politics

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47786401]I stopped caring about Extra Credits after they proved to be absolutely dumb.[/QUOTE] Except this is the History series and not the Credits series sooooooooo....

[QUOTE=Asgard;47786415]Must've missed something, can you explain?[/QUOTE] Because Extra Credits has previously stated that they are opposed to gamergate. Retroactively their videos on how games portray sexuality, gender, race, and sensitive topics are now part of the SJW agenda to subvert videogames

[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;47787153]Because Extra Credits has previously stated that they are opposed to gamergate. Retroactively their videos on how games portray sexuality, gender, race, and sensitive topics are now part of the SJW agenda to subvert videogames[/QUOTE] "They disagree with me they must be the worst and have no idea how history went."

ever since this video I stopped taking their videos at face value [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuqmKg6QQTw&ab_channel=ExtraCredits[/media]

[QUOTE=Xavith;47787429]ever since this video I stopped taking their videos at face value [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuqmKg6QQTw&ab_channel=ExtraCredits[/media][/QUOTE] Ok holy fuck, this isn't Extra Credits. It's Extra History which is a completely different series which just happens to be made by the same people. Also, that video is super old at this point and is no longer even relevant imo.

[QUOTE]It's Extra History which is a completely different series which [b]just happens to be made by the same people.[/b] [/QUOTE] Yes, and that's why I don't take anything they make at face value anymore. There are several times they've done really shoddy research, and then just write it up as a matter of fact.

I support GG and think quite a bit of their videos are dumb but still watch them, EH is pretty entertaining to watch. Shame that they kinda threw that whole "games are an artistic medium aside" with alot of their recent works. I still agree with that but they don't seem to think gaming should be treated the same as film or literature.

[QUOTE=Xavith;47787557]Yes, and that's why I don't take anything they make at face value anymore. There are several times they've done really shoddy research, and then just write it up as a matter of fact.[/QUOTE] Maybe you should watch the History videos before you throw them under the bus hmmm.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;47787590]or like humans you can take past experiences at face value instead of being children and going "maybe if i bash my head against the wall i wont crack my skull open this time"[/QUOTE] You're right I should just blindly hate something because they aren't right 100% of the time like you guys. [editline]23rd May 2015[/editline] Shocker, I don't like Extra Credits but I like Extra History! This should not be possible according to you guys.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;47787641]whatever duder, you can blindly defend something and say everyone elses opinion on it is shit all you want but its not going to make anyone love what you love keep watching your favourite shit, just dont get upset when people dont all circlejerk to it with you [editline]24th May 2015[/editline] its like people have opinions on things, woah chunky is that possible[/QUOTE] Ok, take your ball and go home them.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47787565] Shame that they kinda threw that whole "games are an artistic medium aside" with alot of their recent works. I still agree with that but they don't seem to think gaming should be treated the same as film or literature.[/QUOTE] Like what? Because that sounds 100% like the exact opposite of everything that the Extra Credits team have ever said about video games since their first video.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;47787676]that analogy doesnt really work its more like we dont want to play with your ball because it fell in the toilet a few too many times so we are going to look for a ball elsewhere[/QUOTE] And yet you're still here arguing with me about shit you don't like. Just gotta get in that last word huh.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;47787538]i stopped after they broke away from escapist to go with penny arcade because "we arent being paid and we dont know why" which they then fell back on "we arent being paid on time, we agreed to getting our payment delayed but eh who cares lets leave" [/QUOTE] That isn't what happened. They started a crowdfunding campaign to pay for the medical expenses of their artist, and made ~105k when they asked for ~1.5k. There was some dispute between them and the Escapist on how the money was supposed to be spent: The Extra Credits guys wanted to start a publisher/fundign project, and the escapist wanted the money to go back to Themis media to pay for the donation incentives. The delayed payment was another factor on top of this dispute that caused them to leave. For someone who's shittalking EC for shoddy research, it doesn't look like you've done yours.

[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;47787660]Like what? Because that sounds 100% like the exact opposite of everything that the Extra Credits team have ever said about video games since their first video.[/QUOTE] Don't feel like sifting through videos but I recommend watching the recent Hatred video.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;47787706]arent you doing the same huh im actually commenting on the reliability and quality of the videos you are defending, saying that its basically as good as googling "what is zulu" whilst you argue "stop disliking what i like or ur an idiot" when representing history, especially history from an area that has no physical records of said history, id much rather prefer hearing it from someone who has actually studied the culture over someone who googled about the culture [editline]24th May 2015[/editline] thats my major problem with this specific series so far at least[/QUOTE] That's just THIS subject. They have done other subjects you know.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;47787746] and these videos are about this subject, werent you arguing that we should be talking about this subject and not them as a whole? when i start doing that you get angry at me again lmao[/QUOTE] Uhh, I'm talking about EH as a whole. You keep bringing up EC which I'm not talking about at all. They've done videos on the Punic Wars, the lead up to WW1, Segoku Jidai, and the South Seas Bubble. [editline]23rd May 2015[/editline] Sorry, thought that was obvious.

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;47787779]yeah and my criticisms were aimed at this specific series which unless you can specifically defend, my points are valid[/QUOTE] Well your points are valid, because even the videos mention them so what do you want me to say?

[QUOTE=LuaChobo;47787791]and thus we understand each other outside of that just understand that people can have opinions of other peoples work based on their previous work, thats literally all im asking lmao[/QUOTE] Well obviously. But just because you don't like someones pervious work doesn't mean you can't like they're newer work. [editline]23rd May 2015[/editline] All I'm really asking is to give EH a fair shake regardless of what you think of EC. Is that really to big of a hurdle for some people? [editline]23rd May 2015[/editline] Just for clairities sake I'm using "you" in the general sense.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47787714]Don't feel like sifting through videos but I recommend watching the recent Hatred video.[/QUOTE] I don't think we watched the same video. [video=youtube;s6xQlnzffRg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6xQlnzffRg[/video] The entire first half of the video is devoted to how games serve as an artistic medium: as a way to explore elements of the human condition (in this case, violence and wrath). This is the EXACT OPPOSITE of "[throwing] that whole 'games are an artistic medium' aside". And you can't say that "they don't seem to think gaming should be treated the same as film or literature." when they literally compare video games as a medium to classic works of literature such as the The Illiad as a means to examine violence as a part of human nature. Now, the rest of the video, they discuss why they feel that Hatred isn't likely to be a game with much artistic value based on what's been seen so far, the developer's comments, etc. This is by no means at odds with what they've just said: Even if games are an artistic medium, there can still exist games which are mediocre art. They are criticizing Hatred, but not rejecting games as an artistic medium. They don't even call for it to be banned, or say that it has no right to be made, they just say that it doesn't look like it will have any value as a work beyond shock value and the chance to inflict harm on some nonexistent people. Again, they have not, by any means, rejected games as an artistic medium, they've just criticized one in particular.

[QUOTE=Asgard;47786415]Must've missed something, can you explain?[/QUOTE] Blah Blah Gamergate bullshit that died down finally some time ago.

Well this thread derailed quickly. I had no idea James made such a stupid statement, but I do however enjoy Extra History.

Personally I just think that modified voice is annoying and sounds stupid.

[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;47787870]I don't think we watched the same video. [video=youtube;s6xQlnzffRg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6xQlnzffRg[/video] The entire first half of the video is devoted to how games serve as an artistic medium: as a way to explore elements of the human condition (in this case, violence and wrath). This is the EXACT OPPOSITE of "[throwing] that whole 'games are an artistic medium' aside". And you can't say that "they don't seem to think gaming should be treated the same as film or literature." when they literally compare video games as a medium to classic works of literature such as the The Illiad as a means to examine violence as a part of human nature. Now, the rest of the video, they discuss why they feel that Hatred isn't likely to be a game with much artistic value based on what's been seen so far, the developer's comments, etc. This is by no means at odds with what they've just said: Even if games are an artistic medium, there can still exist games which are mediocre art. They are criticizing Hatred, but not rejecting games as an artistic medium. They don't even call for it to be banned, or say that it has no right to be made, they just say that it doesn't look like it will have any value as a work beyond shock value and the chance to inflict harm on some nonexistent people. Again, they have not, by any means, rejected games as an artistic medium, they've just criticized one in particular.[/QUOTE] They called for a boycott under the basis that it was sadistic. That's a weak argument considering that most entertainment is sadistic. If you laugh at fail compilations or if you cheer for the antagonist being killed, then it means that you have sadistic tendencies. It's even more tacky of them not to judge it from the final product. You didn't see film critics do the same for Natural Born Killers.