• Steamworks Development - Dark Souls 3 with the Steam Controller
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[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKMMqhe_nYI[/media] Saw lots of people around the forums saying that playing Dark Souls with the Steam controller had to be a joke. Still have no idea what they're talking about.
I'm amazed people are still brushing the steampad off it makes the xbox controller look like rubbish
Considering he didn't show locking on (for some reason you have to open that dumb menu just to lock on/twohand) and it in actual combat, I'm sure it looks fine but it's fucking awful, not even comparable to using a proper controller. [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] I see no reason to use a steam controller for a game like dark souls when all it adds is the track pads for really fucky cameras and mouse support in menus when a ps4 controller works perfectly and doesn't feel like it's made of horrible cheap plastic.
[I]definitely[/I] can't see your left thumb getting sore after an hour of play in that position Also love the camera jitter going on now and then in the video, not distracting at all
[QUOTE=Louis;50116843]Considering he didn't show locking on (for some reason you have to open that dumb menu just to lock on/twohand) and it in actual combat, I'm sure it looks fine but it's fucking awful, not even comparable to using a proper controller. [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] I see no reason to use a steam controller for a game like dark souls when all it adds is the track pads for really fucky cameras and mouse support in menus when a ps4 controller works perfectly and doesn't feel like it's made of horrible cheap plastic.[/QUOTE] But this is stupid. Why wouldn't you want superior mouse and camera control along with additional buttons on the rear grips? Everything else is going to control exactly the same. Why would you gimp yourself so willfully? Also not sure what you mean by it feeling cheap, feels at least as good as any other current gen controller barring the Xbox One Elite controller.
[QUOTE=Jackald;50116859]ARGH HE DIDN'T PICK UP THE ITEM THIS TRIGGERS ME[/QUOTE] That'd show how annoying the button placement on the controller is in action, don't want that! [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50116867]But this is stupid. Why wouldn't you want superior mouse and camera control along with additional buttons on the rear grips? Everything else is going to control exactly the same. Why would you gimp yourself so willfully? Also not sure what you mean by it feeling cheap, feels at least as good as any other current gen controller barring the Xbox One Elite controller.[/QUOTE] What? The camera fuckin spazzes out and I don't really have an issue with it in the game because of the lock on feature, you know the one that you have to open a menu for if you use a steam controller because it isn't bound? With all these "extra" buttons I'm wondering why it's set up to ignore the abxy keys in combat? End up using the same amount anyway.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50116867]But this is stupid. Why wouldn't you want superior mouse and camera control along with [B]additional buttons on the rear grips[/B]? Everything else is going to control exactly the same. Why would you gimp yourself so willfully? Also not sure what you mean by it feeling cheap, feels at least as good as any other current gen controller barring the Xbox One Elite controller.[/QUOTE] This has never, not once sounded like a good idea to me So what, do I have to cradle the thing between my palms so I don't press the grip buttons or something? I seriously can't imagine them being practical at all
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;50116865][I]definitely[/I] can't see your left thumb getting sore after an hour of play in that position Also love the camera jitter going on now and then in the video, not distracting at all[/QUOTE] Don't worry, it won't get sore. The camera jitter is weird though, I have no idea what could be causing that.
[QUOTE=Louis;50116872]That'd show how annoying the button placement on the controller is in action, don't want that! [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] What? The camera fuckin spazzes out and I don't really have an issue with it in the game because of the lock on feature, you know the one that you have to open a menu for if you use a steam controller because it isn't bound? With all these "extra" buttons I'm wondering why it's set up to ignore the abxy keys in combat? End up using the same amount anyway.[/QUOTE] Camera seems fine? Looks like he controls it just fine. He 180s really quick in the example with no fuss, and then accesses menus really easily. Why is it set up to ignore the abxy keys in combat? Because having to move your thumb off the camera control to do an action is tremendously annoying. [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50116885]Steam controller. To lock on I have to dive into a menu and select it. 360 Controller. CLICK right thumbstick. Shaky as fuck camera as well. Sure someone will tune the configuration for the Steam Controller to make it better but for now this is something I'd avoid myself. You'd be gimping yourself honestly if you used the Steam Controller with Dark Souls 3. And why do I have to dive into a menu to lock onto targets or cycle them? I can change targets by flicking the right thumbstick on the 360 pad.[/QUOTE] Dude, you just click the right pad like a thumbstick. [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Starlight 456;50116880]This has never, not once sounded like a good idea to me So what, do I have to cradle the thing between my palms so I don't press the grip buttons or something? I seriously can't imagine them being practical at all[/QUOTE] Have you ever actually used this thing? It's beginning to sound like you have no actual idea what you're talking about. It's not awkward to hold at all, you just grip the damn thing normally and then press slightly harder to use it. Wait, have any of you actually used this thing? Because you're all making shit up to make it sound terrible.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50116888]Camera seems fine? Looks like he controls it just fine. He 180s really quick in the example with no fuss, and then accesses menus really easily. Why is it set up to ignore the abxy keys in combat? Because having to move your thumb off the camera control to do an action is tremendously annoying. [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] Dude, you just click the right pad like a thumbstick.[/QUOTE] If you just click the right pad, then why didn't he?
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;50116900]If you just click the right pad, then why didn't he?[/QUOTE] He does. He explains you click and hold the right pad to bring up a touch menu. Normally you'd just click it really fast and the action would be done. You can also disable the touch menu entirely if that's your thing and have it just be target, or any action you choose. He was doing it slower and showing the menu off for the purpose of the demo.
Can I just ask SGTNAPALM have you actually used the contorller in the game or are you just blinding defending the steam controller, I checked your steam profile and it doesnt look like you have but maybe you have through other means. I've played it with the steam controller, PS4 and Xbox 360 controllers and I have to say I'd rather use fucking keyboard and mouse in DS3 than use the SC. I aint shitting on it as a whole but it is NOT the controller you want to use for this game. Hey, maybe I'll like it for some other game but I aint feelin it with this one
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50116888]Because you're all making shit up to make it sound terrible.[/QUOTE] Way to be unnesecarily hostile, I guess. I'm judging the controller based off the gameplay shown in the video and to me, it looked like shit
[QUOTE=Louis;50116913]Can I just ask SGTNAPALM have you actually used the contorller in the game or are you just blinding defending the steam controller, I checked your steam profile and it doesnt look like you have but maybe you have through other means. I've played it with the steam controller, PS4 and Xbox 360 controllers and I have to say I'd rather use fucking keyboard and mouse in DS3 than use the SC. I aint shitting on it as a whole but it is NOT the controller you want to use for this game.[/QUOTE] Did you somehow miss this? [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/ShareX/2016-04/12T040935.png[/img] When it comes to keyboard & mouse vs a controller that's all on you, but in my experience I can say without hesitation that this thing beats every other controller on the market, from the DS3 to the DS4 to the X360 to the XBOne. This is in shooters, in emulators, in games like Elite: Dangerous, and more. This is all unless all you want is plug & play, however, and don't want to fiddle with shit and just want to play, then you should get an X360.
[QUOTE=Louis;50116872]That'd show how annoying the button placement on the controller is in action, don't want that! [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] What? The camera fuckin spazzes out and I don't really have an issue with it in the game because of the lock on feature, you know the one that you have to open a menu for if you use a steam controller because it isn't bound? With all these "extra" buttons I'm wondering why it's set up to ignore the abxy keys in combat? End up using the same amount anyway.[/QUOTE] The button placement is only as annoying as you're willing to accept. It isn't awkward at all once you actually break it in and use it properly, and get used to the very different placement. At the same time, button placement isn't going to be universally liked. I like it, personally. I've literally had the camera only spaz out once in ds2 when using the steampad. I've had it do exactly that even more using other controllers, where it would randomly spaz between lock on targets. I even use the gyro+pad for the camera controls. [QUOTE=Louis;50116843]Considering he didn't show locking on (for some reason you have to open that dumb menu just to lock on/twohand) and it in actual combat, I'm sure it looks fine but it's fucking awful, not even comparable to using a proper controller. [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] I see no reason to use a steam controller for a game like dark souls when all it adds is the track pads for really fucky cameras and mouse support in menus when a ps4 controller works perfectly and doesn't feel like it's made of horrible cheap plastic.[/QUOTE] The trackpads work perfectly fine. In combat I've managed to use it just as effectively as the three controllers I've used it on. it doesn't feel cheap at all to me and I've found that it actually adds a lot more than a regular controller and I'd rather use something different than literally the SAME thing we've had for 10+ years now [QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50116885]Steam controller. To lock on I have to dive into a menu and select it. 360 Controller. CLICK right thumbstick.[/QUOTE] I'm going to be honest, the 'dive into a menu' thing sounds like a totally incompetent misunderstanding of the entire thing. Literally all you need to do is select a normal profile and bam, it works like an x360. I'm actually kind of disappointed that you'd criticize it like this too, because the x360 literally cannot be rebound, at all. [QUOTE=Louis;50116913]Can I just ask SGTNAPALM have you actually used the contorller in the game or are you just blinding defending the steam controller, I checked your steam profile and it doesnt look like you have but maybe you have through other means. I've played it with the steam controller, PS4 and Xbox 360 controllers and I have to say I'd rather use fucking keyboard and mouse in DS3 than use the SC. I aint shitting on it as a whole but it is NOT the controller you want to use for this game. Hey, maybe I'll like it for some other game but I aint feelin it with this one[/QUOTE] Considering how insanely hard you're shitting on it for this game it sounds like you've picked up the wrong profile or simply haven't set up the right one. I've managed to create a really solid profile for myself. All of your complaints 100% seem to be at the fault of not setting it up right.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50116930]Did you somehow miss this? -picture- When it comes to keyboard & mouse vs a controller that's all on you, but in my experience I can say without hesitation that this thing beats every other controller on the market, from the DS3 to the DS4 to the X360 to the XBOne. This is in shooters, in emulators, in games like Elite: Dangerous, and more. This is all unless all you want is plug & play, however, and don't want to fiddle with shit and just want to play, then you should get an X360.[/QUOTE] His question was if you've used it in DS3, not if you've used it at all. It's clear to say the least that you're quite the fan of the steam controller.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50116930]Did you somehow miss this? [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/ShareX/2016-04/12T040935.png[/img] When it comes to keyboard & mouse vs a controller that's all on you, but in my experience I can say without hesitation that this thing beats every other controller on the market, from the DS3 to the DS4 to the X360 to the XBOne. This is in shooters, in emulators, in games like Elite: Dangerous, and more. This is all unless all you want is plug & play, however, and don't want to fiddle with shit and just want to play, then you should get an X360.[/QUOTE] How could I miss the great big "I FUCKIN LOVE STEAM CONTROLLER" thing on your profile, however I asked did you use it to play Dark Souls 3 mate? [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;50116934][/QUOTE] I mean, the profiles are cool and all and I could see that setting yourself up a nice profile would get the game rollin on but I just dont see the point of using a steam controller [I]for dark souls[/I] when you could just use the standard gamepads that work solidly for the game, especially when it takes setting up to do so. Needing to set it up is a con for the average gamer who just wants to hop in and play a game, sure steam controler is marketed for the glorious master race but it doesnt mean that added steps and having to spend a couple of minutes before you play the game to set up a profile because it doesnt natively have a good setup is something people will look at and turn away from, it might have its uses in other games but I dont see what it brings to the table that makes it the definitive controller for DS3.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50116946]I'd criticize it like that because I've never needed to rebind anything on the x360 layout. It's fine for me. Sure bonus you can rebind it. Cool. I'm fine with the default layout.[/QUOTE] That's cool, but you're fucked the moment you don't like the controls, or play any shooter.
You can rebind any gamepad keys if you play on PC though and have been able to for years.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50116951]That's cool, but you're fucked the moment you don't like the controls, or play any shooter.[/QUOTE] Oh please, you're talking as if nobody's ever made controller rebinding programs before. And why would you even want to play an FPS game with a controller, anyways? M+KB has always and will always be the superior control layout for those.
[QUOTE=Louis;50116940]I mean, the profiles are cool and all and I could see that setting yourself up a nice profile would get the game rollin on but I just dont see the point of using a steam controller [I]for dark souls[/I] when you could just use the standard gamepads that work solidly for the game, especially when it takes setting up to do so.[/QUOTE] use a default xbox style layout and you're litearlly set what it there to set up and the steam controller is 10$ less if you get free shipping in the US. It also it far more versatile. There is 0 benefit to me in buying 15$ adaptors for alternative controllers that already cost money when I can just use single steam controller that works for everything
[QUOTE=Louis;50116940]How could I miss the great big "I FUCKIN LOVE STEAM CONTROLLER" thing on your profile, however I asked did you use it to play Dark Souls 3 mate?[/QUOTE] My bad for misreading. No, I don't own Dark Souls. I can, however, use basic common sense (abxy? check. Left analogue and dpad? check. Touchpad for mouse look? check. Triggers and bumpers? check), along with my own experiences with games designed for controllers and come to the conclusion that at the very least, using the SC will be identical to the x360 controller. The grip buttons mapped to face buttons will also reduce the need to take my thumb off the camera controls, which will actually make it more convenient to play the game. Other functionalities outlined in the video will make it straight up superior. Compared to a keyboard and mouse though, the jury is out. My understanding is that *Souls games are best played on a controller, and the SC can do everything the x360 pad can but better, so that point is moot.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50116967]My bad for misreading. No, I don't own Dark Souls. I can, however, use basic common sense (abxy? check. Left analogue and dpad? check. Touchpad for mouse look? check. Triggers and bumpers? check), along with my own experiences with games designed for controllers and come to the conclusion that at the very least, using the SC will be identical to the x360 controller. The grip buttons mapped to face buttons will also reduce the need to take my thumb off the camera controls, which will actually make it more convenient to play the game. Other functionalities outlined in the video will make it straight up superior. Compared to a keyboard and mouse though, the jury is out. My understanding is that *Souls games are best played on a controller, and the SC can do everything the x360 pad can but better, so that point is moot.[/QUOTE] to be fair, the dude that made its a bit shit [QUOTE=Louis;50116956]You can rebind any gamepad keys if you play on PC though and have been able to for years.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Starlight 456;50116960]Oh please, you're talking as if nobody's ever made controller rebinding programs before. And why would you even want to play an FPS game with a controller, anyways? M+KB has always and will always be the superior control layout for those.[/QUOTE] I've used xpadder and j2k for years now. I've even used re-programmable mice, autohotkey, and tons of shit for rebinding. third party keyboard emulation on a controller is not even remotely close to what the steam controller can do. I've even tried to find extremely hacky programs to no success. I can't rebind joysticks, or controller buttons dark souls automatically will detect and bind a controller and you can't change it. So will 95% of the games with controller support. They're have usually shitty presets and nothing else. I can actually use a sniper rifle using the steam controller in fallout 4, with good accuracy too, as much as I can get with a mouse even. It's much more comfortable on the hands to use it even at a desk so that's what I stick with. If I tried ANY of the shit I can do with a steam controller, using J2K, or xpadder, it just isn't happening. xbox controllers do not have grips or dual stage triggers, they don't compare to it.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50116925]Like if you're gonna defend it don't call people out for making shit up when all there is for such example like this just a demo or playing it by hand. [B] The dude who did the demo wasn't great either and didn't show it off to the full potential.[/B] Get off the high horse. Under 2 minutes is not a good enough effort to show it off fully and explain everything and show examples of quickly pressing stuff rather then diving into a menu.[/QUOTE] Again, my bad. You made it sound like you had to go hunting through a menu and wait 30 seconds, and I was wondering where you got that idea from when I didn't realize that touch menus can seem much more complicated than they are. I guess the disconnect comes from having used it coupled with Valve's failure to market anything properly. I'm just kinda getting tired of seeing people shit on this thing (in other threads people jumped in, said it was worse, and then went to radio silence when people asked them what they mean), so I'm sorry if I come off as abrasive. It's just that I've lost patience.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50116961]use a default xbox style layout and you're litearlly set what it there to set up and the steam controller is 10$ less if you get free shipping in the US. It also it far more versatile. There is 0 benefit to me in buying 15$ adaptors for alternative controllers that already cost money when I can just use single steam controller that works for everything like what the fuck is the point[/QUOTE] What adapters are you talking about? The ps3/4 controller can be plugged in using the usb cable it came with. It also uses the same usb that most phone chargers use as well. I can't say for sure about the 360/xbone controllers though, since I've never owned either console.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50116978]Again, my bad. You made it sound like you had to go hunting through a menu and wait 30 seconds, and I was wondering where you got that idea from when I didn't realize that touch menus can seem much more complicated than they are. I guess the disconnect comes from having used it coupled with Valve's failure to market anything properly. I'm just kinda getting tired of seeing people shit on this thing (in other threads people jumped in, said it was worse, and then went to radio silence when people asked them what they mean), so I'm sorry if I come off as abrasive. It's just that I've lost patience.[/QUOTE] People shit on it because Valve literally cannot communicate what the steam controller is and also it looks like an owl I mean, I don't blame them. It's kind of a totally new concept. [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=villa;50116982]What adapters are you talking about? The ps3/4 controller can be plugged in using the usb cable it came with. It also uses the same usb that most phone chargers use as well. I can't say for sure about the 360/xbone controllers though, since I've never owned either console.[/QUOTE] I'm so not using wired controllers, but I use a mayflash one for my pro u controller as well as a microsoft one for my x360. Had them for a while now, but I don't have other controllers since I gave them away, both are insanely good controllers that all being said though
[QUOTE=Louis;50116940]I mean, the profiles are cool and all and I could see that setting yourself up a nice profile would get the game rollin on but I just dont see the point of using a steam controller [I]for dark souls[/I] when you could just use the standard gamepads that work solidly for the game, especially when it takes setting up to do so. Needing to set it up is a con for the average gamer who just wants to hop in and play a game, sure steam controler is marketed for the glorious master race but it doesnt mean that added steps and having to spend a couple of minutes before you play the game to set up a profile because it doesnt natively have a good setup is something people will look at and turn away from, it might have its uses in other games but I dont see what it brings to the table that makes it the definitive controller for DS3.[/QUOTE] Didn't see this bit. Yeah, for it just works, I still suggest the x360 pad. All the configuration stuff are valid criticisms but this has nothing to do with the performance of the controller itself once it is set up, which people are convinced will be inferior to the x360 pad.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50116961]use a default xbox style layout and you're litearlly set what it there to set up and the steam controller is 10$ less if you get free shipping in the US. It also it far more versatile. There is 0 benefit to me in buying 15$ adaptors for alternative controllers that already cost money when I can just use single steam controller that works for everything like what the fuck is the point[/QUOTE] If you somehow dont have the USB cord for a PS4 controller it might set you back a whooping £1.50 over here, and the 360 controllers either come with an adapter or are wired. What controllers are you thinking of?
[QUOTE=villa;50116982]What adapters are you talking about? The ps3/4 controller can be plugged in using the usb cable it came with. It also uses the same usb that most phone chargers use as well. I can't say for sure about the 360/xbone controllers though, since I've never owned either console.[/QUOTE] I think he's talking specifically about wireless connectors. For the x360 you gotta drop an additional 20 for the receiver, and for a DS3/4 you gotta buy a bluetooth dongle for about $10. This is irrelevant if you just care about wired though.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50116992]Was only shitting on them cause of how awful the SC DS3 demo was. I will reiterate you'd be gimping yourself if you were playing like that but if you can rebind stuff and not use a menu to do X action or fiddle with menus go you, you've found a method to play a Dark Souls game that isn't keyboard and mouse(which is a cluster fuck in itself).[/QUOTE] I have a dark souls bindset thats a bit of a cluster but works insanely well for me. the biggest issue with the steampad is that tons of people don't set profiles up right and review it afterwards :v: the only people who will enjoy the steampad are people who actively want to mess with menu's and experiment. Otherwise fuck it. [QUOTE=Louis;50116993]If you somehow dont have the USB cord for a PS4 controller it might set you back a whooping £1.50 over here, and the 360 controllers either come with an adapter or are wired. What controllers are you thinking of?[/QUOTE] I'm never sticking to wired controllers, even if I'm at a desk. Just doesn't work THe steam controller has the Micro-b port as well. I don't trust it because they're flimsy as hell. I used to play with an xbone controller using the micro-b port and because it was so fragile I'd get disconnected randomly. Happened across three of them the others I had are the wiiu pro controller, my favorite and the x360, a stiff and good one. [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] other controllers can't do this either can they [t]http://i.imgur.com/kwiwSWS.jpg[/t] steam = 1 consoles = -5343 pc master race [sp]I'm only joking of course[/sp]
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