• Cringing with Whiteboy
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[video=youtube;D0LlTuPPScI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0LlTuPPScI[/video]
I agree with Fantano, if anything he needs to be bullied for that hair. [sp]this is sarcasm if you didn't pick up on it. love my boy melon[/sp]
"this is such a straw man" There are neighborhoods in the US and entire countries where anti-white racism is relatively strong, just as there are neighborhoods where anti-black racism is relatively strong, and neighborhoods where racism in general targets some or many groups of people. I dont know what the origins of the video or the guy is, maybe he's from one of those neighborhoods (he does mention "the ghetto") and to him "white boy" was all he heard all day at school. Is he not allowed to speak about his own experiences because of his skin color? In general i agree that focus on racism should be avoided going forward, but would anthony have reacted in the same way if it was a music video from a black person about the racism they experienced? Probably not judging by his "but in the past black people were segregated and that won't happen to you now!" comment, and last i checked uneven treatment by race is the main problem being discussed here, not which one is more oppressed. The goal is no racism, not "now we get to be racist to you and laugh at you for caring". I googled his name to try to figure out some of this, he has no wiki articles on him but i did see that Neogaf 2.0/resettera has a thread ridiculing him for being white while having dreadlocks. So like, it's there, it exists.
I'm probably gonna get a lot of hate for this, but I heard this song and I wanted to look a little deeper behind the meaning to it. It is pretty easy to look at the music video within the political climate were living in today and label it "alt-right". In fact, the whole video only presents a one sided message (failing to articulate what "black" Americans go through). Here is a video presenting his interpretation of the song and his point is to be intentionally edgy in order to bring more discussion to racism. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zqqAh8LMkM[/media] He obviously had good intentions in creating the piece of music, but it may of came across as only presenting one side of the whole story. He obviously over-simplified a very complex problem with deep rooted issues, but I'm glad he is trying to open up a larger discussion.
Wow he actually has a ton of good shit to say in the video above. Very articulate and presents an important argument.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;53137783]"this is such a straw man" There are neighborhoods in the US and entire countries where anti-white racism is relatively strong, just as there are neighborhoods where anti-black racism is relatively strong, and neighborhoods where racism in general targets some or many groups of people. I dont know what the origins of the video or the guy is, maybe he's from one of those neighborhoods (he does mention "the ghetto") and to him "white boy" was all he heard all day at school. Is he not allowed to speak about his own experiences because of his skin color? In general i agree that focus on racism should be avoided going forward, but would anthony have reacted in the same way if it was a music video from a black person about the racism they experienced? Probably not judging by his "but in the past black people were segregated and that won't happen to you now!" comment, and last i checked uneven treatment by race is the main problem being discussed here, not which one is more oppressed. The goal is no racism, not "now we get to be racist to you and laugh at you for caring". I googled his name to try to figure out some of this, he has no wiki articles on him but i did see that Neogaf 2.0/resettera has a thread ridiculing him for being white while having dreadlocks. So like, it's there, it exists.[/QUOTE] This is a massive false equivalency. Instances of racism experienced by white people in the US are nothing compared to the macro-scale racism faced by the black population.
[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;53138118]This is a massive false equivalency. Instances of racism experienced by white people in the US are nothing compared to the macro-scale racism faced by the black population.[/QUOTE] Oh stop it. One form of racism being worse than another does not nullify the latter.
[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;53138118]This is a massive false equivalency. Instances of racism experienced by white people in the US are nothing compared to the macro-scale racism faced by the black population.[/QUOTE] The music video being mocked in the OP didn't look like it was intended to be a to-scale weighing of the whole population of issues, did it? To me it looked more like a personal perspective piece, and the direct reading of the lyrics is a positive message of unity by my reading. So what exactly is your point? if it is that one groups problems are more widespread than another groups problems, the problems should somehow should apply less to each individual i have to disagree pretty severely, mocking people because their issue is less common is... very wrong. On an individual level experiencing discrimination is the same regardless of the scale of the problem, and if someone mentions their experience and you put it down because "there arent enough people like you" well, you've forgotten why discrimination is bad havent you? You've just created a new minority to be pissed at. "yeah fuck those white people who complain about discrimination because there arent as many of them". Maybe my view is just too individualist, but to me the video just looks like some individuals doing their thing. Their message isn't inherently wrong, and people are only taking issue because of a wider political context. Sometimes politics hamper progress when it comes to something as simple as "dont discriminate".
[QUOTE=DrVivi;53137869] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zqqAh8LMkM[/media] He obviously had good intentions in creating the piece of music, but it may of came across as only presenting one side of the whole story. He obviously over-simplified a very complex problem with deep rooted issues, but I'm glad he is trying to open up a larger discussion.[/QUOTE] Wow, he actually does have a lot of justification in this video. When I first saw this music video it was on some ultra-left facebook page that were of course blasting it, and it seemed embarrassing to me at the time as well. But now that I've had a chance to listen to this video and take it in properly, I find it a pretty noble discussion for him to be starting. Especially when, as a white person in his position, most people [I]will[/I] actively laugh or dismiss anything he has to say.
[QUOTE=Fausty;53138122]Oh stop it. One form of racism being worse than another does not nullify the latter.[/QUOTE] He's not saying that racism towards whites doesn't matter, he's saying that black people and white people tend to experience different forms of racism. Racism towards black people isn't just based personal affairs, they've been systematically oppressed through various economic, political, and judicial systems for pretty much our entire nation's history, even now we still have problems with this. White people can and do on occasion experience racism but it doesn't tend to affect them to the degree that it affects black people. I've been called names before, while walking and driving through north and south philly I've gotten long looks and been called a skinny-ass white boy, I've even been called a gopnik before by some turkish exchange students. These instances are pretty infrequent for me and while they're very uncomfortable, I know it's not really comparable to having your own nation conspire against you or anyone in your family's history just based on the color of your skin. Racism against white people is bad Racism against black people is bad but racism experienced by white people and black people are not necessarily equal in terms of their big-picture effects.
[QUOTE=cdr248;53138367]White people can and do on occasion experience racism but it doesn't tend to affect them to the degree that it affects black people. I've been called names before, while walking and driving through north and south philly I've gotten long looks and been called a skinny-ass white boy, I've even been called a gopnik before by some turkish exchange students. These instances are pretty infrequent for me and while they're very uncomfortable, I know it's not really comparable to having your own nation conspire against you or anyone in your family's history just based on the color of your skin.[/QUOTE] I think the difference here is individual racism and systematic racism. Whites (if you rule out Catholic White people, see the Italian-American lynching of March 14th 1891. One of the largest lynches in American history.) has never been the target of systematic racism in the US while black people has. It's the systematic racism and it's fallout which made class mobility of the Black working class a daunting affair to put it lightly when compared to their White contemporaries. Institutions by and large supported the oppression of black people for a very long time, like when they tried to start businesses themselves like growing watermelons they were ridiculed by the media, and the stereotype that "Black people were lazy" upheld by these institutions which made it harder to find employment.
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