[QUOTE=Midas22;44124710]For once he didn't get upset about a FoV slider[/QUOTE]
No but he did say that since the game runs at 30fps he'd have normally written it off entirely and that he only gave it a pass in this case because of the animation style.
The part with Hankey was amazing. I've got to pick this up soon.
Don't know why I'm getting dumbed for that he says it right in the fucking video and I quote:
"You can set the refresh rate of your monitor but it doesn't make any bloody difference because the game's locked at 30fps. [B]Now usually that would be enough reason for me to dismiss the game entirely[/B] however... we are talking about a role playing game, a turn based role playing game. More to the point I have a feeling the 30fps was required to make the animation style work.[B] So this would be one of those very, very, rare circumstances where I would say where, actually, it's ok it's in 30fps.[/B]"
But of course, I forgot TB is infallible.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;44125597]Don't know why I'm getting dumbed for that he says it right in the fucking video and I quote:
"You can set the refresh rate of your monitor but it doesn't make any bloody difference because the game's locked at 30fps. Now usually that would be enough reason for me to dismiss the game entirely [b]however... we are talking about a role playing game, a turn based role playing game. More to the point I have a feeling the 30fps was required to make the animation style work. So this would be one of those very, very, rare circumstances where I would say where, actually, it's ok it's in 30fps.[/B]"
But of course, I forgot TB is infallible.[/QUOTE]
Let me help you out on this one. The bold part is the important part. If you can't understand why you're being dumb about this, then no one can help you.
[QUOTE=draugur;44125961]Let me help you out on this one. The bold part is the important part. If you can't understand why you're being dumb about this, then no one can help you.[/QUOTE]
Except my point is that NORMALLY this would instantly make a game shit in his eyes. I ain't talkin about just this game.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;44125597]Don't know why I'm getting dumbed for that he says it right in the fucking video and I quote:
"You can set the refresh rate of your monitor but it doesn't make any bloody difference because the game's locked at 30fps. [B]Now usually that would be enough reason for me to dismiss the game entirely[/B] however... we are talking about a role playing game, a turn based role playing game. More to the point I have a feeling the 30fps was required to make the animation style work.[B] So this would be one of those very, very, rare circumstances where I would say where, actually, it's ok it's in 30fps.[/B]"
But of course, I forgot TB is infallible.[/QUOTE]
You're not being dumbed down for pointing out what he said, because he did say that. You're being dumbed down for hating on him because he thinks that 30 fps for a PC game is a joke. Because it is a joke. Same for a lack of FoV slider in PC FPS games, some people can't stand too low/high FoV and it's not that hard to put it in there. It's like missing brightness or sound volume slider.
He stated that "WTF is" is concentrated on the PC version and that he will always take a look at the options before he shows the gameplay, but if you don't care about the options he gives you annotation to skip it, so what is the problem?
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[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;44126029]Except my point is that NORMALLY this would instantly make a game shit in his eyes. I ain't talkin about just this game.[/QUOTE]
Why would you think that locking a game at 30 fps is okay in today's age of computers?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44126237]You're not being dumbed down for pointing out what he said, because he did say that. You're being dumbed down for hating on him because he thinks that 30 fps for a PC game is a joke. Because it is a joke. Same for a lack of FoV slider in PC FPS games, some people can't stand too low/high FoV and it's not that hard to put it in there. It's like missing brightness or sound volume slider.
He stated that "WTF is" is concentrated on the PC version and that he will always take a look at the options before he shows the gameplay, but if you don't care about the options he gives you annotation to skip it, so what is the problem?
[editline]4th March 2014[/editline]
Why would you think that locking a game at 30 fps is okay in today's age of computers?[/QUOTE]
A game running at 30fps is not the unplayable trash he think it is. I don't think there should be a cap but it doesn't solely make a game garbage especially when most games a perfectly playable at that framerate.
Sorry that my standards for what make a game terrible are not as absurdly high as TB's.
Oh wow i wasn't expecting much from this game and i don't even like turn based games but damn it looks fun, i might buy it
[QUOTE=draugur;44125961]Let me help you out on this one. The bold part is the important part. If you can't understand why you're being dumb about this, then no one can help you.[/QUOTE]
you're literally shooting the messenger lol
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;44127985]A game running at 30fps is not the unplayable trash he think it is. I don't think there should be a cap but it doesn't solely make a game garbage especially when most games a perfectly playable at that framerate.
Sorry that my standards for what make a game terrible are not as absurdly high as TB's.[/QUOTE]
It's not having high standards, it's what PC games should do, because they're PC games. The whole point of playing on PC rather than consoles is that we get the experience of better graphics and 60fps etc. Then the FoV slider, there are people like me who are affected hugely by low fov and it makes any first person game with lower than 80 fov completely unplayable. It hurts my eyes and after 10 minutes I have a headache. Just because they don't affect you doesn't mean these issues aren't important.
What I don't understand is why every TB video is posted outside of the TB megathread. Go post it there where people who want to see TB content get TB content.
If we can actually talk about the game for a second, it seems like it's a lot like Mario and Luigi, only enjoying it is entirely dependent on whether or not you can stomach South Park's "humor".
[QUOTE=Fish_poke;44128592]What I don't understand is why every TB video is posted outside of the TB megathread. Go post it there where people who want to see TB content get TB content.[/QUOTE]
I think I stand for the entirety of this section when I say; There's a TB Megathread?
[QUOTE=Justin Case;44128815]I think I stand for the entirety of this section when I say; There's a TB Megathread?[/QUOTE]
[url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1306082]It's right here.[/url]
There are a grand total of 3 Totalbiscuit threads on the first page including the megathread and this one.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;44127985]A game running at 30fps is not the unplayable trash he think it is. I don't think there should be a cap but it doesn't solely make a game garbage especially when most games a perfectly playable at that framerate.
Sorry that my standards for what make a game terrible are not as absurdly high as TB's.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah sure, locking your car to 30mph max speed doesn't make it unusable trash as you don't need to go 200mph when going for groceries, but why the fuck would you do that?
[QUOTE=a wet towel;44128257]It's not having high standards, it's what PC games should do, because they're PC games. The whole point of playing on PC rather than consoles is that we get the experience of better graphics and 60fps etc. Then the FoV slider, there are people like me who are affected hugely by low fov and it makes any first person game with lower than 80 fov completely unplayable. It hurts my eyes and after 10 minutes I have a headache. Just because they don't affect you doesn't mean these issues aren't important.[/QUOTE]
this is kinda silly to think
what makes you think that you're entitled to the same game, but ~better~ just because you're on pc?
i've played from 20fps to 100+fps throughout my life, and honestly, it's really not that huge of a deal. you acclimate, it's nothing like having broken or nonadjustable fov. shit, film is shot at 24-27fps and everyone is perfectly comfortable watching that. yes, dipping below 30fps it starts to get shaky and shuttery, but 30fps is plenty. yes, of course, higher frame rates (for games) is better, but i'd hardly say it's REQUIRED
the customization options for computers are only "required" so that a person can adjust it so that it functions as a product on their system, and include fov because it makes games physically uncomfortable to play for consumers (myself included). none of us are entitled to higher fps because we're playing on a different platform, that is legitimately the ultimate in why people think that pc gamers are entitled little shits
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i actually want you to imagine someone going off and saying "i own a xbox one. thus, I deserve to have my game look better than the game on the playstation 4 or the computer."
you'd look at them and laugh your ass off because it's a ridiculous thing to say
[QUOTE=a wet towel;44128257]The whole point of playing on PC rather than consoles is that we get the experience of better graphics and 60fps etc.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/cross.png[/img]
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44129044]this is kinda silly to think
what makes you think that you're entitled to the same game, but ~better~ just because you're on pc?
i've played from 20fps to 100+fps throughout my life, and honestly, it's really not that huge of a deal. you acclimate, it's nothing like having broken or nonadjustable fov. shit, film is shot at 24-27fps and everyone is perfectly comfortable watching that. yes, dipping below 30fps it starts to get shaky and shuttery, but 30fps is plenty. yes, of course, higher frame rates (for games) is better, but i'd hardly say it's REQUIRED
the customization options for computers are only "required" so that a person can adjust it so that it functions as a product on their system, and include fov because it makes games physically uncomfortable to play for consumers (myself included). none of us are entitled to higher fps because we're playing on a different platform, that is legitimately the ultimate in why people think that pc gamers are entitled little shits
[editline]4th March 2014[/editline]
i actually want you to imagine someone going off and saying "i own a xbox one. thus, I deserve to have my game look better than the game on the playstation 4 or the computer."
you'd look at them and laugh your ass off because it's a ridiculous thing to say[/QUOTE]
It's not that PC players are entitled to more than 30 fps, there just isn't a reason to lock fps for a PC game at 30.
i'm not saying caps aren't silly but claiming that they mean the product is "broken" and not worth playing is silly as all hell. honestly most of the times caps are imposed is because certain issues come up with the animations when they're played at higher and higher framerates, desyncinc with audio, etc. play any old or emulated games and you'll see that
dark souls runs at 30 fps. the animations look fine.
[editline]4th March 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44129159]It's not that PC players are entitled to more than 30 fps, there just isn't a reason to lock fps for a PC game at 30.[/QUOTE]
yes there is games start to fuck up if they're designed from the ground up at a specific framerate which is totally normal on consoles.
if a game is built FOR the pc and is then ported to consoles and has a limiter, then yes, that's total and utter ridiculous incompetence. but we live in a time where the primary market, and most games, are produced for the consoles where they need quality control to the point of keeping games at a specific framerate. being at a constant 30 is better than being at 60 and bobbing up and down at random. thus when games are ported over to the pc, there's often programming issues that come up if they unlock the framerate.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44129170][QUOTE=Silly Sil;44129159]It's not that PC players are entitled to more than 30 fps, there just isn't a reason to lock fps for a [B]PC game[/B] at 30.[/QUOTE]
yes there is games start to fuck up if they're designed from the ground up at a specific framerate which is totally normal [B]on consoles[/B]. [/QUOTE]
??
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44129170]if a game is built FOR the pc and is then ported to consoles and has a limiter, then yes, that's total and utter ridiculous incompetence. but we live in a time where the primary market, and most games, are produced for the consoles where they need quality control to the point of keeping games at a specific framerate. being at a constant 30 is better than being at 60 and bobbing up and down at random. thus when games are ported over to the pc, there's often programming issues that come up if they unlock the framerate.[/QUOTE]
If a car is designed for UK market and the steering wheel is on the right and then they start selling the same thing in the rest of EU saying that the car was built for the UK and the side of the steering wheel can't be switched, the rest of the EU has a legitimate (not entitlement) reason to complain.
Someone is selling me a product which has a quality that is a strong point on it's target market but a flaw outside it. And as I'm not the part of the target market, I consider that quality a flaw.
[QUOTE=Fish_poke;44128592]What I don't understand is why every TB video is posted outside of the TB megathread. Go post it there where people who want to see TB content get TB content.[/QUOTE]
Because with videos like these it doesn't matter who made it. With something like Game Grumps or RoosterTeeth a megathread works because you watch the videos for the people in them, not the game. Reviews/first impressions you watch for the review, not the reviewer. If this was only in the TB megathread a lot of people who might be interested in a look at the game would miss it.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44129427]??
If a car is designed for UK market and the steering wheel is on the right and then they start selling the same thing in the rest of EU saying that the car was built for the UK and the side of the steering wheel can't be switched, the rest of the EU has a legitimate (not entitlement) reason to complain.
Someone is selling me a product which has a quality that is a strong point on it's target market but a flaw outside it. And as I'm not the part of the target market, I consider that quality a flaw.[/QUOTE]
Except its a minor issue. Get over it. Just because you're on PC does not entitle you to a more optimized game. Its bad enough to try and optimize for multiple different systems let alone a PC gamer's ego.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44129427]??
If a car is designed for UK market and the steering wheel is on the right and then they start selling the same thing in the rest of EU saying that the car was built for the UK and the side of the steering wheel can't be switched, the rest of the EU has a legitimate (not entitlement) reason to complain.
Someone is selling me a product which has a quality that is a strong point on it's target market but a flaw outside it. And as I'm not the part of the target market, I consider that quality a flaw.[/QUOTE]
let's be real here there's a massive difference between "my steering wheel is on the wrong side" (aka basically making the vehicle undrivable and useless as a product in those markets) and a fps limiter
a more accurate problem would be there's a speed limiter installed on the vehicle that's universal across all countries that may have different maximum legal speeds. which would warrant it for criticism, sure, but should not be considered a fundamental reason to consider it a "broken product"
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;44129851]Except its a minor issue. Get over it. Just because you're on PC does not entitle you to a more optimized game. Its bad enough to try and optimize for multiple different systems let alone a PC gamer's ego.[/QUOTE]
Did you even read the post you replied to? Do I have to be entitled to see that the game is at 30 fps and feel it doesn't look as good as it could, because my rig can easily run it at 60+?
It is of no importance to me that the quality a product has is it's strong point on a different market. Limitation of FPS is a flaw for [I][B][U]PC[/U][/B][/I] games.
I just love the video because "I won't look at the tv because spoilers", then Cartman busts down the door with spoilers. And his reaction to Mr. Hankey
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44129955]Did you even read the post you replied to? Do I have to be entitled to see that the game is at 30 fps and feel it doesn't look as good as it could, because my rig can easily run it at 60+?
It is of no importance to me that the quality a product has is it's strong point on a different market. Limitation of FPS is a flaw for [I][B][U]PC[/U][/B][/I] games.[/QUOTE]
Actually yeah, that is entitlement. Wanting to be treated special just because you're on a different system.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44129928]let's be real here there's a massive difference between "my steering wheel is on the wrong side" (aka basically making the vehicle undrivable and useless as a product in those markets) and a fps limiter
a more accurate problem would be there's a speed limiter installed on the vehicle that's universal across all countries that may have different maximum legal speeds. which would warrant it for criticism, sure, but should not be considered a fundamental reason to consider it a "broken product"[/QUOTE]
It was an example to show that a strong point on one market can be a flaw on a different market, not a comparison.
If the only bad thing about a game would be the 30 fps limiter, I'd consider it a serious flaw but I wouldn't dismiss the game completely however if you have a console port with fps locked at 30, that's a good indication that the port might be shit and there are other problems with it.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;44130005]Actually yeah, that is entitlement. Wanting to be treated special just because you're on a different system.[/QUOTE]
He didn't say the game was complete unsalvagable shit because it only runs at 30fps, he's just pointing out that its a negative.
Because only being able to get 30fps on two titans IS a negative
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