The Red Pill (2017) Trailer - General

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLzeakKC6fE[/media] People protested over this documentary at Sydney University after reading the title: [url]http://honisoit.com/2017/05/protesters-clash-one-arrested-outside-the-red-pill-screening/[/url]

I watched it and honestly I think everyone should, too. There's some flaws in it. I think some things could've been explained a bit better, and sometimes her monologues lack... not exactly coherency, but they're from the heart instead of written down like a speech so take from that what you will.

Here's Where I think MRA has a point, some feminists doesn't want equal Rights just want special rights, The MRA movement then recently devolved into rape fantasy. No, Seriously, look at Mike Cernovich in particular.

clearly those protesting it haven't seen it, nothing in it is directly anti-feminist, unless I'm remembering it wrong, infact I think if anything this documantary should be bringing people together to actually sit down and fucking discuss things rather than yelling stupid fucking rhyming chants or literally dancing like a white man wearing a "feminism is cancer" tshirt maybe listen to the other side for once and see a lot of you are arguing the same shit. the bigger point is how men have always been seen as disposable, but this is a point that is argued in feminism and is often talked about under the term "toxic masculinity" I personally prefer the term dominator culture, the culture left over from intensely hierarchical systems that we've been under as a species for thousands of years. Masculinity isn't toxic but it can become and leave a toxic impact that can force the idea that man or someone who wants to be masculine has to be a certain way all the time. The things I took away from this documentary was mainly the statistics, 4 in 5 suicides are men, 92% of work place injury/death is men ect ect but I still can't help but cringe at the phrase "red pill" and I actually find it ironic because a lot of transphobic people use it and the term is from the matrix right, the Wachowski are both transgender so its pretty funny :v: sorry for the shitty rant [sp]im not an expert on any of this pls no yell tyty im just sick of the feminism/antifeminism shit im also really tired and edited this like 5 times [/sp]

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52227867]Here's Where I think MRA has a point, some feminists doesn't want equal Rights just want special rights, The MRA movement then recently devolved into rape fantasy. No, Seriously, look at Mike Cernovich in particular.[/QUOTE] Wanna try again? And phrase it in a coherent way this time?

People don't give a fuck about the movie they just want to protest.

The movie is quite good. Provides a very unique perspective on the topic.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52227933]Wanna try again? And phrase it in a coherent way this time?[/QUOTE] I think he's saying that in some cases there are legitimate injustices that men face which feminism doesn't usually address, despite claiming to be for equal rights between men and women, but a lot of "MRA activists" are fucking awful. Instead of working to fix those societal problems, a lot of these people are just looking for excuses to be a bunch of sexist regressive bastards. I'm guessing he's referring to people on the internet more than anything.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;52227867]Here's Where I think MRA has a point, some feminists doesn't want equal Rights just want special rights, The MRA movement then recently devolved into rape fantasy. No, Seriously, look at Mike Cernovich in particular.[/QUOTE] Equal rights is always kind of a touchy subject because imo, there are differences between men/women and the different races. The point of equal rights is you have to consider the different needs of each gender and race as equal, but that doesn't mean they all have the same needs or that their needs should be met in the same way.

they could've used a better title other than 'the red pill' as it has fairly bad connotations of creepy PUAs and the like other than that, the documentary is alright, it's fairly neutral and gives a good insight to the other side

[QUOTE=cdr248;52227985]there are differences between men/women and [B]the different races.[/B] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=cdr248;52227985][B]the different races.[/B] [/QUOTE] First off; what? Second off; how are biological differences relevant in the laws that guarantee that every one has an equal, unrestricted ability to choose the path of life they deem fit?

[QUOTE=cdr248;52227985]Equal rights is always kind of a touchy subject because imo, there are differences between men/women and the different races.[/QUOTE] I'll give you the differences between men and women, but there is no scientific proof of any remarkable differences between races. It's purely a cultural matter. Men and women is a different ballpark because hormones, but I still think culture has more of an impact here than we give it credit for.

a decent review of the movie: [video=youtube;8T3qoBjzRMs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T3qoBjzRMs[/video]

[QUOTE=meppers;52228201]a decent review of the movie:[/QUOTE] As an aside: isn't sh0eonhead just another alt-right talking head at this point? I watched TWO VIDEOS back during GG and I got alt-right/TRIGGERED SJW shit in my recommendations for [i]weeks.[/i]

[QUOTE=Luni;52228262]As an aside: isn't sh0eonhead just another alt-right talking head at this point? I watched TWO VIDEOS back during GG and I got alt-right/TRIGGERED SJW shit in my recommendations for [i]weeks.[/i][/QUOTE] Pretty much, yeah. All those types of videos seem clickbaity as fuck. I've been getting videos like that too while watching videos even remotely related to the topic. "REKT SJW FEMINIST COMPILATION #3", man, that sure does sound appealing to watch.

[QUOTE=Luni;52228262]As an aside: isn't sh0eonhead just another alt-right talking head at this point? I watched TWO VIDEOS back during GG and I got alt-right/TRIGGERED SJW shit in my recommendations for [i]weeks.[/i][/QUOTE] She isn't alt-right.

[QUOTE=Luni;52228262]As an aside: isn't sh0eonhead just another alt-right talking head at this point? I watched TWO VIDEOS back during GG and I got alt-right/TRIGGERED SJW shit in my recommendations for [i]weeks.[/i][/QUOTE] She's a lot more level-headed some of the others *cough*Sargon of Akkad*cough*, but she's still one of the ones perpetuating the idiotic idea that feminists are more of a fucking problem then all the other shit our society is dealing with, so she's still not great if you ask me. Also she isn't alt-right, at best she's part of the psuedo-right, what I call people like Sargon, Armored Skeptic and Thunderf00t, people who don't necessarily subscribe to right wing ideals but are simply heavily against left wing ideologies.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;52228495] Also she isn't alt-right, at best she's part of the psuedo-right, what I call people like Sargon, Armored Skeptic and Thunderf00t, people who don't necessarily subscribe to right wing ideals but are simply heavily against left wing ideologies.[/QUOTE] I can agree on Sargon being psudeo-right, but the rest? really?

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;52228489]She isn't alt-right.[/QUOTE] Everything that doesn't align with turbo left is alt-right at this point.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;52228495]She's a lot more level-headed some of the others *cough*Sargon of Akkad*cough*, but she's still one of the ones perpetuating the idiotic idea that feminists are more of a fucking problem then all the other shit our society is dealing with, so she's still not great if you ask me. Also she isn't alt-right, at best she's part of the psuedo-right, what I call people like Sargon, Armored Skeptic and Thunderf00t, people who don't necessarily subscribe to right wing ideals but are simply heavily against left wing ideologies.[/QUOTE] I think we need to make a new label called the I'm Not Touching You Right for people who like to hover their finger a centimeter above Right for as long as possible before they yank them away and say "but I like the gays and stuff" as soon as anyone notices.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;52228577]I can agree on Sargon being psudeo-right, but the rest? really?[/QUOTE] Armored Skeptic yes. Even though he's more well spoken than Sargon he's made it absolutely crystal clear that he's just as irrationally fearful of SJWs as all the other anti-SJWs. I mean, the dumbass thought this was a good argument as to why SJWs should be feared: [QUOTE]These people are in our government, in our universities, and in our video games. They may not be the biggest threat to us but they're still a threat.[/QUOTE] As for Thunderf00t, he's a bit more complicated. He's the one guy that I can actually believe trash talks SJWs as entertainment rather than fearmongering because he usually doesn't portray SJWs as a threat to his audience and doesn't shoehorn them into his other political videos. His views are also rarely consistent with other anti-SJWs to the point where he routinely pisses large portions of his audience off for not towing the party line. However, he's perfectly fine with making clickbait for these people, so he's kind of feeding the mouth that bites him.

does often seem odd to me how far left types look at the race divide in prison population, something which has at least economic reasons and class mobility issues behing it, but then don't seem to even be aware of that over 90% of our prison population is male. Or the is "men are just violent and don't need to be taken care of" not seen as an issue to them. [QUOTE=TornadoAP;52228495]She's a lot more level-headed some of the others *cough*Sargon of Akkad*cough*, but she's still one of the ones perpetuating the idiotic idea that feminists are more of a fucking problem then all the other shit our society is dealing with, so she's still not great if you ask me. Also she isn't alt-right, at best she's part of the psuedo-right, what I call people like Sargon, Armored Skeptic and Thunderf00t, people who don't necessarily subscribe to right wing ideals but are simply heavily against left wing ideologies.[/QUOTE] being against the lunacy of left wing extremists doesn't make you psuedo right or any right at all lol

[QUOTE=Mingebox;52228673]I think we need to make a new label called the I'm Not Touching You Right for people who like to hover their finger a centimeter above Right for as long as possible before they yank them away and say "but I like the gays and stuff" as soon as anyone notices.[/QUOTE] It's something that has been bothering me for a while since the start of stuff like Brexit and before the Primary elections of the US. It's insidious to me that people can throw away any values they have just to piss off people who could very well hold similar values and interests. I can't tell where their persona as an entertainer ends and the true person begins. It made me realize that stuff like Gamergate and this whole crusade against this boogeyman of "SJW" was a facade to push just plain volatile interests that seem to only benefit those who already hold power such as the wealthy. I just think it's sickening and foolish of myself that I ever bought into their bullshit, it makes me angry just thinking about it. The events of Brexit and the US Primaries really opened my eyes that they're really either idiots in the long run or just plain nihilistic.

This is the only thing on youtube I've ever paid for. It was worth it.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;52228495]She's a lot more level-headed some of the others *cough*Sargon of Akkad*cough*, but she's still one of the ones perpetuating the idiotic idea that feminists are more of a fucking problem then all the other shit our society is dealing with, so she's still not great if you ask me. Also she isn't alt-right, at best she's part of the psuedo-right, what I call people like Sargon, Armored Skeptic and Thunderf00t, people who don't necessarily subscribe to right wing ideals but are simply heavily against left wing ideologies.[/QUOTE] I think the best label for those people would be "reactionary idiot".

[QUOTE=Duck M.;52228762]I think the best label for those people would be "reactionary idiot".[/QUOTE] I like to think of them as "straw knights" myself, which is to say that they set up straw men and attack them - those straw men, of course, being SJWs. I don't know much about Sargon or Thunder, but Shoe and Skeptic both make such a big fuss about SJWs, blowing them hugely out of proportion as being some sort of huge threat that's on the brink of destroying civilization as we know it. Skeptic is at least capable of (usually) making cohesive and well-thought-out arguments. Even when I strongly disagree with him, he lays out the foundation and the steps for his thinking, which I can respect. Shoe, though... I just can't stand Shoe at all. Which becomes an issue when both my housemates love to parrot Shoe and Skeptic every chance they get. :frown:

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;52228489]She isn't alt-right.[/QUOTE] We're all alt-right I mean, it's in the lyrics for the opening of That 70's Show

[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;52228845]I like to think of them as "straw knights" myself, which is to say that they set up straw men and attack them - those straw men, of course, being SJWs. I don't know much about Sargon or Thunder, but Shoe and Skeptic both make such a big fuss about SJWs, blowing them hugely out of proportion as being some sort of huge threat that's on the brink of destroying civilization as we know it. Skeptic is at least capable of (usually) making cohesive and well-thought-out arguments. Even when I strongly disagree with him, he lays out the foundation and the steps for his thinking, which I can respect. Shoe, though... I just can't stand Shoe at all. Which becomes an issue when both my housemates love to parrot Shoe and Skeptic every chance they get. :frown:[/QUOTE] I must have forgotten that people like Gazi and the other people that they review don't actually exist. It's disingenuous to claim that this idea of "SJWs" are just fiction. There are plenty of these people that will wank over their moral superiority, and then when someone like Dina Ali comes along they will outright mock the issue out of spite.

[QUOTE=Thlis;52228859]I must have forgotten that people like Gazi and the other people that they review don't actually exist. It's disingenuous to claim that this idea of "SJWs" are just fiction. There are plenty of these people that will wank over their moral superiority, and then when someone like Dina Ali comes along they will outright mock the issue out of spite.[/QUOTE] Great. And it's disingenuous to claim that I claimed that SJWs are just fiction. :v: I never claimed they don't exist. I claimed that some people dramatically overblow their real impact on the world. Remember when Anita Sarkeesian was given a place on a UN council? Remember how people got in a huge huff over it? I certainly do. Can you name even three things that actually came out as a result of that? I can't. Not to say that there isn't anything that came from it, though. In all honesty, I'm now genuinely curious.

[QUOTE=Thlis;52228859]I must have forgotten that people like Gazi and the other people that they review don't actually exist. It's disingenuous to claim that this idea of "SJWs" are just fiction. There are plenty of these people that will wank over their moral superiority, and then when someone like Dina Ali comes along they will outright mock the issue out of spite.[/QUOTE] They exist alright, but how much of their popularity comes from people making those reviews, vs the popularity that comes from people legitimately agreeing with them? There are always going to be batshit crazy people, and the internet makes it easy to find examples. Whether or not the batshit crazy spreads beyond the extremists is the important part. Whether the SJW phenomenon is confined to some bizarre subculture, or if it's actually a pervasive issue that we need to worry about, like some people claim?