• Can't draw? This is just an illusion.
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[video=youtube;7TXEZ4tP06c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TXEZ4tP06c[/video] A very interesting presentation. Grab a paper, pen and watch this video to prove yourself you can.
Someone send this to Tim Buckley
i failed miserably, i cant draw [editline]as[/editline] [sp]im kidding drawing is actually super easy, check out my deviantart page link under my name < [/sp]
If you are interested in drawing you would be a lot better off looking at Loomis's Fun with a Pencil. It's free online and introduces you to proper drawing methods. The above video is very very dependent on symbol drawing. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/OHARMpK.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/iB0yVJx.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE=Xephio;49414346]i failed miserably, i cant draw[/QUOTE] If you are really interested in drawing keep at it. As Bob Ross said "Talent is a pursued interest. In other words, anything that you're willing to practice, you can do."
Also a very interesting message about not saying "I can't", but trying to do it instead. [editline]29th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Thlis;49414369]If you are interested in drawing you would be a lot better off looking at Loomis's Fun with a Pencil. It's free online and introduces you to proper drawing methods. The above video is very very dependent on symbol drawing.[/QUOTE] You missed the point. It's not about drawing well, or learning how to do so. It's about making people draw things that they didn't think they could draw.
I like the style, it's a bit like Sunday paper comics. I'm trying to pinpoint exactly what this presentation was really about. It not about learning to draw, it's more about learning to not let your own thoughts and assumptions limit you. The simple drawings are just to show that you have to start somewhere if you want to obtain your goals. Baby steps, I suppose. It's a good lesson.
A lot of people have motor skill shit that prevents them from doing anything with a pen and paper. Like Dysgraphia and such, not being able to draw isn't just an "illusion". If I can't legibly write my own name, I won't be able to draw with a pen and paper.
This feels Bob Ross-y in a bad way, I think. The problem with people like this, and Bob Ross, is that they have their own personal styles, and they teach people those styles. You're not learning to draw, you're learning to recreate. Most of these people never deviate, or grow outside of their own artistic views, and they're teaching a group of people how to do the same thing. It produces stagnant, samey drawings. Which, I suppose, is great if you're just wanting to do some little notebook doodles or paint a glorified color by numbers, but terrible if you want to progress artistically. While it's significantly harder, you'd be better off reading up on art theory and practicing the standard techniques, getting a feel for what works for you, and then creating your own style rather than piggybacking off of someone else's, be they Bob Ross or this cartoonist.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;49414392]A lot of people have motor skill shit that prevents them from doing anything with a pen and paper. Like Dysgraphia and such, not being able to draw isn't just an "illusion". If I can't legibly write my own name, I won't be able to draw with a pen and paper.[/QUOTE] Drawing and painting should primarily be done by moving your shoulder and your elbow rather than your wrist and fingers. After practice it provides longer smoother strokes and helps prevent you from developing arthritis or other complications. And if you tried drawing from your elbow and shoulder once but felt that "it didn't look good" keep working at it. If you can practice it you can do it. [QUOTE=woolio1;49414411] While it's significantly harder, you'd be better off reading up on art theory and practicing the standard techniques, getting a feel for what works for you, and then creating your own style rather than piggybacking off of someone else's, be they Bob Ross or this cartoonist.[/QUOTE] Another big problem is once a person takes it seriously they have to unlearn this symbol drawing method before they can get better.
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[QUOTE=Thlis;49414369]If you are interested in drawing you would be a lot better off looking at Loomis's Fun with a Pencil. It's free online and introduces you to proper drawing methods. The above video is very very dependent on symbol drawing. [/QUOTE] absolutely, but that method is way more time consuming than these really simple line drawings. To me the point of the presentation came across not really as a way to draw well, but rather delivering the message of trying and highlighting how we are usually at older ages inclined to think like "cannot doers". Like anyone saying they can't cook, draw, sing, play an instrument, be creative, etc. Everyone can do it, but for some or most people, even the most simplest things might look like the biggest obstacle. Not trying to disagree with you saying that anyone [I]interested[/I] in drawing should look up more useful tips or exercises, just thought that the video might send mixed messages about "how to draw" or something.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49414411]This feels Bob Ross-y in a bad way, I think. The problem with people like this, and Bob Ross, is that they have their own personal styles, and they teach people those styles. You're not learning to draw, you're learning to recreate. Most of these people never deviate, or grow outside of their own artistic views, and they're teaching a group of people how to do the same thing. It produces stagnant, samey drawings. Which, I suppose, is great if you're just wanting to do some little notebook doodles or paint a glorified color by numbers, but terrible if you want to progress artistically. While it's significantly harder, you'd be better off reading up on art theory and practicing the standard techniques, getting a feel for what works for you, and then creating your own style rather than piggybacking off of someone else's, be they Bob Ross or this cartoonist.[/QUOTE] The point of this video isn't to teach people a style; it's to break down the poor attitude they have towards their own ability to learn. The reason most people say they can't draw is because they put pencil to paper, draw something, and then give up because it looks like shit. But if you can get someone to draw something that looks good, even if it is very basic and restrictive, then that's going to make them far more likely to continue on and develop their skills.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;49414463]The point of this video isn't to teach people a style; it's to break down the poor attitude they have towards their own ability to learn. The reason most people say they can't draw is because they put pencil to paper, draw something, and then give up because it looks like shit. But if you can get someone to draw something that looks good, even if it is very basic and restrictive, that's going to make them far more likely to continue on and develop their skills.[/QUOTE] Even still, though, drawing requires at least a modicum of creativity. That can be learned or innate, but you need to be creative to create. There is no creativity here, it's an empty exercise.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49414480]Even still, though, drawing requires at least a modicum of creativity. That can be learned or innate, but you need to be creative to create. There is no creativity here, it's an empty exercise.[/QUOTE] You wouldn't say that to a child who takes their first steps to draw anything. For me this rings similar, you give the most basic means or tools to a style of drawing different faces in your choosing (he does in a way mention you can very however you want, and to me 'true' creativity stems from personal expression), although his drawing style seems restrictive. The way I see it creativeness comes from when you develop from your influences which can mean learning, interpreting or imitating a line-drawing style. I think it's still not an exercise to help you "get creative". And I also believe you don't become creative by learning the technicalities of an art. My thoughts, anyway.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49414480]Even still, though, drawing requires at least a modicum of creativity. That can be learned or innate, but you need to be creative to create. There is no creativity here, it's an empty exercise.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say it's an empty exercise. Yes, in the long run, it isn't going to help you draw better or be more creative. But it is going to help you feel better about your ability to learn, which is the biggest roadblock for anyone starting out in anything. It was the same with Bob Ross: he wasn't teaching you how to paint; he was teaching you to feel positive about your work.
This whole video seems more like a semantic changing of the word "draw," than actually proving a point. When people say they "can't draw" they don't mean that they can't copy some simplistic cartoons. They mean that they can't visualize things on their own and put it down onto paper accurately, and this video does nothing to assuage those people's feelings of not being able to draw. Kids all think they can draw because their standards are REALLY low, not because they've been corrupted by society.
[QUOTE=Thlis;49414369] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/OHARMpK.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] this looks like a terrible way to learn how to draw and will make about as much sense to someone who doesn't think they can draw as trying to explain how to fix a car engine to someone illiterate in car mechanics. "attach nose, chin, ears" - yeah, because that is so simple and easy that anyone can do it! you're literally trying to teach people to draw by telling them "just fuckin draw it dude, come on"
[QUOTE=FFStudios;49414700]this looks like a terrible way to learn how to draw and will make about as much sense to someone who doesn't think they can draw as trying to explain how to fix a car engine to someone illiterate in car mechanics. "attach nose, chin, ears" - yeah, because that is so simple and easy that anyone can do it! you're literally trying to teach people to draw by telling them "just fuckin draw it dude, come on"[/QUOTE] I just extracted the final image of the section because it would seem rude to post an entire section of the book on here. It's a lot better and provides the key fundamentals of drawing with form rather than drawing symbols. [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/dbRqdPV.png [/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/PqCdtWg.png [/img_thumb]
I think the point of the video is "hey, at least try to do it instead of saying you can't" It's a lot like when I try to teach someone about computers. "Oh I won't ever understand it!" Well just listen and attempt to understand it before you assume you can't understand some basic concepts
[QUOTE=Thlis;49414369]If you are interested in drawing you would be a lot better off looking at Loomis's Fun with a Pencil. It's free online and introduces you to proper drawing methods. The above video is very very dependent on symbol drawing. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/OHARMpK.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/iB0yVJx.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] [IMG]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/75/4a/1d/754a1def902e9d60cbd631184106d883.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=woolio1;49414411]This feels Bob Ross-y in a bad way, I think. The problem with people like this, and Bob Ross, is that they have their own personal styles, and they teach people those styles. You're not learning to draw, you're learning to recreate. Most of these people never deviate, or grow outside of their own artistic views, and they're teaching a group of people how to do the same thing. It produces stagnant, samey drawings. Which, I suppose, is great if you're just wanting to do some little notebook doodles or paint a glorified color by numbers, but terrible if you want to progress artistically. While it's significantly harder, you'd be better off reading up on art theory and practicing the standard techniques, getting a feel for what works for you, and then creating your own style rather than piggybacking off of someone else's, be they Bob Ross or this cartoonist.[/QUOTE] The point of the video wasn't really "hey learn to draw this is how", it was that all it takes to learn to do anything is the desire to actually do it. And even just spending 15 minutes to start can often be enough to prove to yourself that you can do the thing you want to do It's a video that challenges those who say they can't draw, when in reality most people can at a pretty simple level, they just believe they can't (so they never do it). EDIT: late I guess lol
[QUOTE=Scot;49414777][IMG]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/75/4a/1d/754a1def902e9d60cbd631184106d883.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Fucking thank you, I can't help but see that with 90% of these "How to draw faces" things.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49414884]Fucking thank you, I can't help but see that with 90% of these "How to draw faces" things.[/QUOTE] Well I guess those "how to draw faces" aren't actually supposed to be tutorials or any sort of helpful reference, but more of a "this is how actual artists draw". It sort of forgets all the steps in the middle.
[QUOTE=Scot;49414777][IMG]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/75/4a/1d/754a1def902e9d60cbd631184106d883.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49414884]Fucking thank you, I can't help but see that with 90% of these "How to draw faces" things.[/QUOTE] Yeah, because you tend to have to learn things to draw things. I am really at a loss and all I can say is buck up read a book or watch a video and study. I mean what, all those squiggly lines are obviously just artists around the world having a laugh? [video=youtube;1EPNYWeEf1U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U[/video]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49414884]Fucking thank you, I can't help but see that with 90% of these "How to draw faces" things.[/QUOTE] They're about breaking complex shapes down into their more basic constituent shapes for easy visualization (so you can draw them at different angles without needing a reference picture).
[QUOTE=woolio1;49414411]This feels Bob Ross-y in a bad way, I think. The problem with people like this, and Bob Ross, is that they have their own personal styles, and they teach people those styles. You're not learning to draw, you're learning to recreate. Most of these people never deviate, or grow outside of their own artistic views, and they're teaching a group of people how to do the same thing. It produces stagnant, samey drawings. Which, I suppose, is great if you're just wanting to do some little notebook doodles or paint a glorified color by numbers, but terrible if you want to progress artistically. While it's significantly harder, you'd be better off reading up on art theory and practicing the standard techniques, getting a feel for what works for you, and then creating your own style rather than piggybacking off of someone else's, be they Bob Ross or this cartoonist.[/QUOTE] so, so wrong. this is exactly the kind of thinking that keeps people away from getting into simple drawing by elevating it into some sort of elitist tradecraft this misses the entire point of the video by a mile
[QUOTE=woolio1;49414411]This feels Bob Ross-y in a bad way, I think. The problem with people like this, and Bob Ross, is that they have their own personal styles, and they teach people those styles. You're not learning to draw, you're learning to recreate. Most of these people never deviate, or grow outside of their own artistic views, and they're teaching a group of people how to do the same thing. It produces stagnant, samey drawings. Which, I suppose, is great if you're just wanting to do some little notebook doodles or paint a glorified color by numbers, but terrible if you want to progress artistically. While it's significantly harder, you'd be better off reading up on art theory and practicing the standard techniques, getting a feel for what works for you, and then creating your own style rather than piggybacking off of someone else's, be they Bob Ross or this cartoonist.[/QUOTE] Bob Ross isn't meant to teach you how to be a successful artist, it's just an introduction to a hobby. It's kinda like adult coloring books except it's a little more advanced, it's about doing something and having fun doing it as opposed to learning and creating.
If this thread has taught me anything it's that I can not draw.
[QUOTE=Scot;49414777][IMG]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/75/4a/1d/754a1def902e9d60cbd631184106d883.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] [vid]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3877425/temp/how-to-draw.webm[/vid]
[QUOTE=Paramud;49415149]If this thread has taught me anything it's that I can not draw.[/QUOTE] If you want to learn to draw you just have to start from somewhere and so long as you study and practice each drawing will be better than the last one. I would strongly suggest watching the video by Proko or reading Fun with a Pencil. Ignore the people that are detracting it because they really don't know what they are talking about.
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