UMass Students Protesting Free Speech Event featuring Christina Hoff Sommers, Milo Yiannopoulos, and
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cell video of protests
[video]https://youtu.be/BY1H1rZL53I[/video]
Crowder's Response
[video]https://youtu.be/oss7KmiHLmA[/video]
Entire Event:
[hd]https://youtu.be/yCcp36n2cDg[/hd]
Context please, I have almost 0 clue who any of these people are
[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;50209627]Context please[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7528]only "source" about it atm[/url]
[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;50209627]Context please, I have almost 0 clue who any of these people are[/QUOTE]
The speakers are all advocates against the ultra-politically correct bullshit culture running rampant in college campuses lately.
Christina Hoff (AKA Based Mom) has also been known for being pro-Gamergate. She's a democrat who was part of the feminist movement in the 60's and basically is calling out modern 3rd wave feminists on their bullshit.
It's moments like this that I'm happy to be a moderate. Both sides can be total dicks, I want some balance.
[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;50209713]It's moments like this that I'm happy to be a moderate. Both sides can be total dicks, I want some balance.[/QUOTE]
Moderate is an arbitrary term. Don't believe that it means an avoidance of blind ideology.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;50209743]Centrism sits in its own pool of bias and is just a passive form of conservatism, so don't get too excited[/QUOTE]
Nobodies perfect.
Crowders rant was the first time I genuinely felt something approaching humor regarding anything he said. I honestly never knew he sold himself as a comedian. Incredible times we live in.
Related: A conference with Christina Hoff Sommers, Milo, and Crowder talking about SJW's sounds like literally the most boring thing I could spend my day attending so I just wouldn't go to it. I don't understand how the people who tried to cut them off thought they were going to achieve anything other than make the people on stage look like the better people.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;50209743]Centrism sits in its own pool of bias and is just a passive form of conservatism, so don't get too excited[/QUOTE]
[I] if you're not actively with us you're against us[/I]
Nice
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;50209743]Centrism sits in its own pool of bias and is just a passive form of conservatism, so don't get too excited[/QUOTE]
I found "moderate" means "for the self".
Talleyrand is a great example of this. According to 48 laws of power, he did not pick a side. He picked the side that would help him the most in his ambitions.
Any one who does not pick a side is probably an opportunist trying to bilk all sides of a conflict for their profit, gain and maybe pleasure.
i love milo
I waited for the comedian to come on stage but it never happened.
Steven Chowder is such a piece of shit especially. But protesting this is stupid, just don't go, or better yet, do go because challenging your beliefs is good.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;50209929]like the post said above, moderate doesn't mean anything. Mitt Romney back when he supported abortion and the like was styled as a moderate despite being arguably more left than a lot of democrats today. Obama is called a communist dictator but he's pretty steadily on the right in a global sense.
Then you have centrism, which is what a lot of people mean when they say moderate; which is a form of conservatism.[/QUOTE]
Re read what I mean. I am saying a centrist or a moderate is one of the following;
A confused person, a panderer, a person who desires to keep the comfortable order of things, a wanna be uniter, a troll, a "black swan" or an opportunist who sees all sides of the conflict as tools for realizing goals.
The book 48 laws of power is filled of examples as such persons of the final camp (opportunist).
In American politics, the opportunist would not see things in the liberal vs conservative terms. They would see who is on their side versus who is not. A great example of this is Goldman Sachs. They do not see as "left vs right" They see it in terms of "who can be bought and do things for us" vs "who is not bought and will not do our bidding for us".
There are alot of voters who see it in the same light. Not as "Left versus right" but as "what is in it for me and who going do my bidding?"
Make sense?
Edit:
I am a believer of enlightened self interest. So I am of the opportunist camp. In a nice way. Just to let you know.
Concerning the term "black swan". [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory[/url]
It means a person or group who has a view or motivations that defies common convention, classification or modes of thinking and can clash with all sides that are more predominant within a conflict.
When I said I'm a moderate, I meant it in the sense that I don't agree 100% with liberals or conservatives.
I don't like how both sides as of late have become extreme and have moved so far in their own directions instead of working together for the benefit of all rather then themselves. Both sides have become cartoon parodies of themselves, where the statement "Feminism is Cancer" is actually a positive thing because it shatters the sort of shitty system that's been set up.
I wish politics would work to maintain balance and TRUE universal equality where everyone is free to have their own way of thinking instead of "you're either with us or against us".
In the past few years it feels like both sides of the political spectrum have hyped up this fear that the other side is dangerous and evil and that everything is shit because of the other guy, painting pictures of the kind of post-apocalyptic wasteland the world would be if the other side completely took over.
Western civilization has only gotten so far because of people of differing ideologies and creeds from different parts of the world and walks of life coming together and becoming something more by working together. The way things are now we're driving each other farther and farther apart out of fear instead of sitting down and trying to understand and let ourselves change and be changed by each other.
True progressiveness lies in variety, in letting very different things allow to mix, to learn from each other.
Now we see situations like in the videos above where people don't want to change, they don't want to learn, they just want to shut themselves out and cover their ears because they're afraid they'll have to change their worldview. They are so damn privileged that the smallest amount of discomfort makes them shrivel up in a corner. They don't want to go out into the world and actually grow and change, they just want to box themselves up and live in their safe spaces away from 'the other guys' because they happen to think differently. This is true of both sides, The liberals have their 'safe spaces' and the conservatives in their luxury. They're so isolated from each other that they have grown to fear each other because they don't understand each other, because THEY DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.
[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;50210026]When I said I'm a moderate, I meant it in the sense that I don't agree 100% with liberals or conservatives.
I don't like how both sides as of late have become extreme and have moved so far in their own directions instead of working together for the benefit of all rather then themselves. Both sides have become cartoon parodies of themselves, where the statement "Feminism is Cancer" is actually a positive thing because it shatters the sort of shitty system that's been set up.
I wish politics would work to maintain balance and TRUE universal equality where everyone is free to have their own way of thinking instead of "you're either with us or against us".
In the past few years it feels like both sides of the political spectrum have hyped up this fear that the other side is dangerous and evil and that everything is shit because of the other guy, painting pictures of the kind of post-apocalyptic wasteland the world would be if the other side completely took over.
Western civilization has only gotten so far because of people of differing ideologies and creeds from different parts of the world and walks of life coming together and becoming something more by working together. The way things are now we're driving each other farther and farther apart out of fear instead of sitting down and trying to understand and let ourselves change and be changed by each other.
True progressiveness lies in variety, in letting very different things allow to mix, to learn from each other.[/QUOTE]
I do too bucko. I do too. I am saying how I see moderates. I could be wrong. I could be right. I am only saying what I see from my personal perspective.
That's part of the problem though, isn't it?
You can no longer be yourself and make progress, you have to stoop to one side or the other to make any sort of waves. Making deals and exploiting things to get what you want just shows how broken things have become.
Politicians are disconnected from the people, they say they are for the people, but they're all just serving the interests of the folks who are paying them under the table; this is true of both sides. You can't get anything done the good, honest way, despite what the system would have you believe. This is why so many rich folk get away with doing big time crimes because they'll just pay their way out. The dollar has become more important then the truth and what's actually moral and right.
Both sides and their corruption disgust me, that's why I don't want to associate with either of them.
I want democracy, REAL democracy, not the pathetic shadow of what it was that's masquerading as it today.
EDIT:
We are at a point where the garden has become a pile of weeds. It's making taking a flamethrower to the whole thing look more and more attractive, and that's scary as hell.
[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;50210094]That's part of the problem though, isn't it?
You can no longer be yourself and make progress, you have to stoop to one side or the other to make any sort of waves. Making deals and exploiting things to get what you want just shows how broken things have become.
Politicians are disconnected from the people, they say they are for the people, but they're all just serving the interests of the folks who are paying them under the table; this is true of both sides. You can't get anything done the good, honest way, despite what the system would have you believe. This is why so many rich folk get away with doing big time crimes because they'll just pay their way out. The dollar has become more important then the truth.
Both sides and their corruption disgust me, that's why I don't want to assosiate with either of them.
I want democracy, REAL democracy, not the pathetic shadow of what it was that's masquerading as it today.[/QUOTE]
I edit my answer to be more clear. No we cannot get along.
Here is why:
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/conservative-and-liberal-brains-may-be-wired-differently/2014/11/03/3903c25e-6057-11e4-8b9e-2ccdac31a031_story.html[/url]
It is biological in origin. What is happening can be summed up through the selfish gene theory. People of different genetics are trying to eliminate competition for resources. They are also trying to create a "unified viewpoint". Conservative or other wise, when every one is uniform, the evolutionary advantage is the whole collective moves quicker to get things done over a society that is not uniform. So it does not really matter if you are left or right. Evolution does not care. It only cares everyone is the same to ensure smooth and quick reactions times to ensure survival of the whole and individual members.
This is why genocide happens. This is why racism happens. It is a result of our instincts being formed haphazardly over eons kicking into over drive to ensure survival.
Also democracy is a historical anomaly. It is the exception and not the rule.
Literally everything I've said can all be fucking boiled down to one, simple phrase.
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? Do we all really have to be separated like rude children by their mother? Or can we all act like adults already and try working together for once?
EDIT: Ultimatley what I see on that stage is what I really want to see more of in the world; Democrats and Conservatives putting aside their differences and working together to tackle some universal bullshit.
EDIT:[QUOTE=Daysofwinter;50210141]
This is why genocide happens. This is why racism happens.[/QUOTE]
This is what I meant by 'taking a flamethrower to the weeds'. Do we really have to resort to letting shit like that happen in order for things to actually change? The garden is humanity, Genocide etc. is the flamethrower.
[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;50210146]Literally everything I've said can all be fucking boiled down to one, simple phrase.
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? Do we all really have to be separated like rude children by their mother? Or can we all act like adults already and try working together for once?
EDIT: Ultimatley what I see on that stage is what I really want to see more of in the world; Democrats and Conservatives putting aside their differences and working together to tackle some universal bullshit.[/QUOTE]
I re edited my post to answer your question about why we cannot get along. In short you dealing with the forces of biology and evolution. Hope its relevant to thread and helps.
I didn't even realize we were arguing.
Maybe conflict is biological, okay, I can agree that it's a thing.
But, we are [U]humans[/U].
We can be better then what nature wants us to be like. We are not animals, we are more then animals. We can defy nature and be [U]BETTER[/U]. We can temper ourselves, resist running purely on biological instincts and think things out.
[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;50210236]I didn't even realize we were arguing.[/QUOTE]
I'm not and sorry if I gave the impression if I was. I think we derailed the thread.
I am trying to explain to Vodkavia (and others) how moderates and non-moderates have mindsets that are alien to each other. I was hoping to communicate what those differences are.
To assume all moderates are stuck in between two static positions is a mistake. The reasons for being independent can vary widely from person to person. Motivations can be complex, intricate, and plenty. There is more to it then just being "confused".
They may classify the conflict not as "right vs left" but as something else entirely. A person who is Muslim might hate the left due to their stance on homosexuality and may hate the right for their support for Christianity. For them, it is Muslim Vs non Muslim. American liberals and conservatives are both "not Muslim". For a billionaire, their classification of the situation is "those who help make a profit" vs "those who get in the way of making a profit". Doesn't matter if the person that helps them is liberal or conservative. Within their frame work, the fact if someone is a democrat or republican is irrelevant to them. This is just 2 examples out of many.
That all I wanted to say and hope what I said was understood.
Edit:
I watched the whole thing. The video is very good.
More like free mac and cheese.
Seriously though, they should get their shit together.
The second video is pathetic though, he didnt even own anyone, all he did was mentioning stuff like safe space pretty lame boring shit
my favorite bern victim there is trigglypuff
CHS: Good person, she makes the best arguments.
Milo: Self proclaimed professional provocateur. He says some things ridiculous on purpose.
Crowder: Flat out don't like this guy. Probably just because he's like the complete opposite of me politically.
[QUOTE=patq911;50212633]CHS: Good person, she makes the best arguments.
Milo: Self proclaimed professional provocateur. He says some things ridiculous on purpose.
Crowder: Flat out don't like this guy. Probably just because he's like the complete opposite of me politically.[/QUOTE]
I do agree with you. Milo himself is known to stir shit simply because his job is to stir shit and make money off of it. Crowder although he seems impassioned by being up on stage goes on a rant and belittles everyone without engaging them in a rational debate. The only one who's good on a presentation level was Christina Sommers. They all raised good points but there's a big difference between going there to educate and going there to inflame.
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