Audience reaction to Steve Jobs scrolling on an iPhone in 2007 - General

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Were they the first to do this?

[QUOTE=General;52416100]Were they the first to do this?[/QUOTE] Certainly the first to do it so effectively. Most of the time you'd need a stylus and the scroll would stop immediately after you let go; Apple was super innovative in how effortless and satisfying it was to scroll on a touch screen.

[QUOTE=General;52416100]Were they the first to do this?[/QUOTE] I'm sure someone will find an example of it being done, but the whole idea of a big portrait capacitive touchscreen in your pocket that you can manipulate intuitively was fucking unbelievable at the time [editline]30th June 2017[/editline] The iPhone press conference is amazing to go back to, Jobs literally starts with a speech telling people some serious fucking shit's about to go down and this isn't a fucking game [media]https://youtu.be/vN4U5FqrOdQ[/media]

[QUOTE=General;52416100]Were they the first to do this?[/QUOTE] Similar stuff to most of what the first iPhone did existed, but a large amount of it sucked and none of it was really comparable. I think some PDAs had scrolling like this.

Apparently it was pinch-to-zoom that really blew everyone's minds.

Oh yeah, the iPhone's 10 years old. [video]https://youtu.be/MR5jPsE1Gqc[/video]

[QUOTE=General;52416100]Were they the first to do this?[/QUOTE] apple very rarely is the first to do anything

Apple will never be as hype as it used to be without Steve

I still can't believe it's been 10 years since this phone.

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;52416208]Apparently it was pinch-to-zoom that really blew everyone's minds.[/QUOTE] Multi-touch touch screens were crazy tech at the time. Now if a touch screen doesn't detect multiple touches it's either defective or something designed to use a stylus.

[QUOTE=Jund;52416224]apple very rarely is the first to do anything[/QUOTE] I'll give them credit for being the first to do it well though.

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;52416208]Apparently it was pinch-to-zoom that really blew everyone's minds.[/QUOTE] it's so funny how the best and most intuitive solutions seem like common sense only after the fact but at the time, holy fuck, how did they think of that

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[QUOTE=Jund;52416224]apple very rarely is the first to do anything[/QUOTE] Yea except when they made the first consumer-friendly personal computer, portable music player, Unix OS, smartphone Oh whoops I just listed half their product line

You gotta remember that in 2007 at that time, touch screens either required a stylus or the touch was so far off it was fucking stupid. Nobody did it right until Apple came through and tweaked some things and in all honesty, perfected it. This was monumental especially the fact it still scrolls after you've touched it, it detected the velocity of your finger which was new and not seen before that time. So yes, the reaction is understandable and the conference was amazing, it blew everyone's minds about this tech. Nowadays, you expect this shit in every phone

I admit Apple has some pretty solid and intuitive devices. The only issue is they don't do anything remotely innovative in my opinion. I feel like Apple lost a lot of its steam when Jobs died. Jobs while he was a dick who put his employees in some shitty situations and never paid investors/shareholders he did push out some great tech and without things like the Iphone who knows where the phone market would have been pushed.

[QUOTE=Not64;52417026]Yea except when they made the first consumer-friendly personal computer, portable music player, Unix OS, smartphone Oh whoops I just listed half their product line[/QUOTE] Without steve jobs I predict that trend is going to die very quickly if not already Microsoft was making a consumer friendly PC as well at the same time so that really does't count. Both Steve and Bill had very different ideas.

I wish they would drop the LOOK HOW THIN! act now. It was cool in the 90's even up to the 2000's because everything was still kind of brick-like but we don't need our cellphones to be literally paperthin, especially if removing features is necessary to continue it (*cough*auxports*cough*) [editline]30th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=fruxodaily;52417040]You gotta remember that in 2007 at that time, touch screens either required a stylus or the touch was so far off it was fucking stupid. Nobody did it right until Apple came through and tweaked some things and in all honesty, perfected it. This was monumental especially the fact it still scrolls after you've touched it, it detected the velocity of your finger which was new and not seen before that time. So yes, the reaction is understandable and the conference was amazing, it blew everyone's minds about this tech. Nowadays, you expect this shit in every phone[/QUOTE] Imagine if we showed VR to people 10 years ago It's crazy to think how fast technology is progressing as time goes on. I think about it a lot when I see really old people driving brand new cars. Makes me think what cars will look like when I'm in my ~80's, compared to what they looked like ~60 years ago when these people were in their prime

[QUOTE=Flicky;52416109]Certainly the first to do it so effectively. Most of the time you'd need a stylus and the scroll would stop immediately after you let go; Apple was super innovative in how effortless and satisfying it was to scroll on a touch screen.[/QUOTE] That's where the innovation stopped.

[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52416110]I'm sure someone will find an example of it being done, but the whole idea of a big portrait capacitive touchscreen in your pocket that you can manipulate intuitively was fucking unbelievable at the time [editline]30th June 2017[/editline] The iPhone press conference is amazing to go back to, Jobs literally starts with a speech telling people some serious fucking shit's about to go down and this isn't a fucking game [media]https://youtu.be/vN4U5FqrOdQ[/media][/QUOTE] Just sat and watched through that entire thing. It's fucking insane how much technology has progressed. 2007 and phones were those clunky messes, I didn't even remember that. Smartphones nowadays have lulled us into a false sense of security that we totally take for granted. Stuff has made leaps and bounds, I love it. 3.5" screen, with 160ppi. The new Samsung S8+ is 6.2" and 529ppi, ignoring all the fancier hardware as well. Imagine where we'll be in another ten years, boys?

[QUOTE=loopoo;52417375]Imagine where we'll be in another ten years, boys?[/QUOTE] Honestly? I think we'll start seeing movement towards actual implants by around that time, negating the need for screens with direct information overlays that we can see. Google Glass will be viewed as an early, clunky bit of tech compared to whats to come with the way miniaturization is going now.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;52417377]Honestly? I think we'll start seeing movement towards actual implants by around that time, negating the need for screens with direct information overlays that we can see. Google Glass will be viewed as an early, clunky bit of tech compared to whats to come with the way miniaturization is going now.[/QUOTE] Serious Black Mirror vibes, I can't wait. If there's a safe, reliable and technologically superior implant that lets me feed information directly into my eyeholes, I'ma jump on that wagon so hard.

[QUOTE=loopoo;52417384]Serious Black Mirror vibes, I can't wait. If there's a safe, reliable and technologically superior implant that lets me feed information directly into my eyeholes, I'ma jump on that wagon so hard.[/QUOTE] I got to drive in a car recently that had one of these HUD's projected onto the glass of the car. It was pretty poorly implemented, but the potential was great - it was nice being able to see the road ahead while also having the speed in the same area of vision without having to look down. I am not going to lie but if it means I can,like, pull up a Netflix Picture-in-picture during a corporate presentation with the sound directly fed into my ears via some sort of bone conduction tech, that'd be sweet and make boring corporate shit a lot more tolerable.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;52417390]I got to drive in a car recently that had one of these HUD's projected onto the glass of the car. It was pretty poorly implemented, but the potential was great - it was nice being able to see the road ahead while also having the speed in the same area of vision without having to look down. [/QUOTE] They've had those for around 20 years or so and they've never gotten any better, sadly. Stock ones at least. I just looked them up and found [URL="https://www.navdy.com/"]this one[/URL] that seems to have a lot of potential.

I live for the day that someone comes out with another product as revolutionary and exciting as the iPhone was. In a press conference of less than an hour, Apple entered an industry they'd never been involved with before, made it their bitch, and forced the rest of the industry to spend years playing catchup trying to build something that could even hold a candle to their offering. They got there in the end, but there really was a gap for a while where your choice of smartphone was either an iPhone or some godforsaken piece of shit. The first Android phone didn't even come out for over a year after the iPhone, and Android took a while to mature and really get to iPhone's level

[QUOTE=Not64;52417026]portable music player, Unix OS, smartphone Oh whoops I just listed half their product line[/QUOTE] [quote=Not64] Yea except when they made the first consumer-friendly personal computer [/quote] You have Xerox to thank for easy to understand GUI's/Desktop environments [IMG]https://i2.wp.com/www.mac-history.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/500004657-03-01.jpeg[/IMG] [video]https://youtu.be/M0zgj2p7Ww4[/video] Steve was greatly inspired by what they'd accomplished and tasked his engineers to develop a similar system for their Macs. Other companies, such as Microsoft, were then in turn inspired by Apple to do the same. So I guess you can thank Apple for sort of "distributing" it to the wider masses, but they certainly weren't the first to do it. [quote=Not64] portable music player [/quote] The first portable (casette) music player was made in 1972, so not even close actually. If we're talking players with built-in digital storage, a British scientist was developing a prototype in 1979, which he called IXI [IMG]https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/IXI.jpg[/IMG] Just a rough sketch of what he wanted it to look like back then, but still If we're talking portable players with integrated storage for .MP3 files, the very first commercial one was released in 1998, I.E three years before the first iPod, the MPMan F10, developed by Saehan Information Systems. [IMG]https://regmedia.co.uk/2008/03/10/mpman_f10_1.jpg[/IMG] So nope, they didn't invent that either [quote=Not64] Unix OS [/quote] UNIX was being developed at Bell Labs before Jobs and Wozniak were even aware of each other, Apple didn't make it, they simply chose to use it as the foundament for Mac OS . [quote=Not64] smartphone [/quote] [IMG]https://it-hantering.se/images/products/20150128-012628image_7717.jpg[/IMG] Nuff' said (that's not the first technically 'smart' phone either, though)

Reply to ^: The iPhone/iPod are too easy to argue against so I won't waste my time on that. The only thing that could possibly be argued for is the Xerox PoC, except Steve Jobs openly admitted to stealing that idea from them. Plus, it was just a research project. It was never going to a mass market. Apple brought it into the hands of the consumer. I'm fairly certain if Apple didn't do that, then nobody would even know about that Xerox PoC. And idk why you brought up Bell Labs. Mac OS X is the only consumer-usable Unix OS. People keep raving on about the year of the Linux desktop but that hasn't happened yet, if ever. All the while Mac OS X has been around since the early 2000s. Apple was the first, and [i]nobody[/i] has managed to copy them after 15 years. Every professional software developer worth his/her salt either has a Macbook or a Lenovo with Linux. To this day, Mico$oft is still trying to play catch-up with that crappy Bash on Windows thing. [QUOTE=J!NX;52417085]Microsoft was making a consumer friendly PC as well at the same time so that really does't count. Both Steve and Bill had very different ideas.[/QUOTE] Nope that's wrong, look up the Apple II and the Commodore 64 Also Microsoft never made hardware lol. Their business model was purely software based, which is why they were so revolutionary at the time

[QUOTE=loopoo;52417375]Imagine where we'll be in another ten years, boys?[/QUOTE] i'll bump this thread in 10 years to compare

[QUOTE=Not64;52418130]Reply to ^: The iPhone/iPod are too easy to argue against so I won't waste my time on that. The only thing that could possibly be argued for is the Xerox PoC, except Steve Jobs openly admitted to stealing that idea from them. Plus, it was just a research project. It was never going to a mass market. Apple brought it into the hands of the consumer. I'm fairly certain if Apple didn't do that, then nobody would even know about that Xerox PoC. And idk why you brought up Bell Labs. Mac OS X is the only consumer-usable Unix OS. People keep raving on about the year of the Linux desktop but that hasn't happened yet, if ever. All the while Mac OS X has been around since the early 2000s. Apple was the first, and [i]nobody[/i] has managed to copy them after 15 years. [b]Every professional software developer worth his/her salt either has a Macbook or a Lenovo with Linux.[/b] To this day, Mico$oft is still trying to play catch-up with that crappy Bash on Windows thing. Nope that's wrong, look up the Apple II and the Commodore 64 Also Microsoft never made hardware lol. Their business model was purely software based, which is why they were so revolutionary at the time[/QUOTE] adding on to this: IBM recently switched to giving their employees company macbook pros for work. they found that they were saving upwards to $500 for each windows laptop replaced with a macbook pro [url]http://www.computerworld.com/article/3131906/apple-mac/ibm-says-macs-are-even-cheaper-to-run-than-it-thought.html[/url] and google has a great policy in their offices: macOS or linux only, no windows laptops unless you have a business case [url]http://bgr.com/2013/11/28/mac-chromebook-google-employees/[/url] unless you're specifically focused on developing windows apps there is little reason to not use macOS/linux to develop. even in my uni's CS club the macOS/linux to windows ratio is super high.