The New Doctor Who Showrunner is not great (Probably) - General

[video]https://youtu.be/mh8xyDlLXfc[/video]

I don't know if you can really base Chinball's Dr Who Performance on his previous episodes, because a lot of the writing for those have always been writing room type stuff - it was Russell T Davies and Steven Moffat who really took creative control over those episodes. With Chinball comes a brand new writing team from Broadchurch, so if you want to judge him for real quality, judge him from that.

Oh my god I forgot [I]all of these episodes[/I]

I thought Steven Moffat was the hack fraud of Doctor Who.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;52856997]I thought Steven Moffat was the hack fraud of Doctor Who.[/QUOTE] He is. And the last season of Sherlock was just garbage. I trust Chinball. I remember the first season of Broadchurch being among the most gripping television I've ever seen.

A lot of the episodes Chibnall wrote for Who were marred by unfortunate circumstances. If I recall correctly, 42 was intended to be a sequel to the Impossible Planet/Satan Pit episodes from Series 2, which were definitely one of the highlights of that series. Although for whatever reason, that version of the episode fell through, and the version we ended up with was written in the space of 3 weeks. The Silurian 2-parter of Series 5 was filmed towards the end of a production cycle I believe, so the budget was strained and had an effect on the episode. Not much else to say about that one. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship was initially going to be something else, but got scrapped due to budget issues. Chibnall then wrote another quick script, which turned out as the episode that actually aired. The Power of Three initially had an entirely different ending to the sub-par one it has - but the actor who played the Shakri was infamously difficult to work with, and they had to cobble something together because he simply wouldn't say the lines, which is why the episode is a few minutes shorter than any other. Another unfortunate happening. So really, we haven't actually seen what Chibnall would do with Doctor Who. Because every episode he's had the opportunity to write has had issues in some way. What Chris Chibnall can do - is build up believable characters. Something which Moffat did struggle with from time to time. Moffat excels in singular ideas, and less so in longer series arcs. (Although I am a staunch defender of his era, admittedly.) Chibnall on the other hand is fantastic at world building. In the two Series 7 episodes he wrote we saw Brian Williams, Rory's dad. Brian was an immediate hit and felt like a really tangible and believable part of the world. If he had been introduced earlier, I reckon Amy and Rory's tenure would have felt a little more grounded. If anyone hasn't seen the unfilmed epilogue for The Angels Take Manhattan by Chibnall, that's a better indicator of what he can do. Not to mention, there's Broadchurch, which Chibnall has been more than capable of running. It's hard to say what Chibnall's vision of the show would be. Moffat was almost universally praised under RTD, but garnered a bit of backlash he took the reins. Chibnall's episodes have been patchy at best, but as a showrunner? Who knows. [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/gallifrey/comments/79i55n/why_we_shouldnt_be_worried_about_chibnalls_run_on/"]This[/URL] is a good read for anyone who wants to know more.

[quote]This is the FUTURE! You shouldn't have KINDLES![/quote] yeah. this is where the video became a waste of my time. That and the immediately preceeding clip where he makes fun of Chibnalls speaking pattern. How about we keep it above waist level and actually make your arguments like an adult, you little twerp!?

[QUOTE=Bomimo;52857552]yeah. this is where the video became a waste of my time. That and the immediately preceeding clip where he makes fun of Chibnalls speaking pattern. How about we keep it above waist level and actually make your arguments like an adult, you little twerp!?[/QUOTE] Except if you actually finished the video you'd see that he did make real arguments. Whether they are good arguments is another matter though. Besides, it is basically impossible to keep viewer interest in a youtube video without adding some sort of humor.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;52856997]I thought Steven Moffat was the hack fraud of Doctor Who.[/QUOTE] Didn't Moffat write Blink? I wonder if someone else handled the script or if Moffat does better with single episode forumula's then arc plots.

Ugh I miss RTD. Just rewatched the Midnight episode with the repeating monster and it's a fucking masterpiece.

[QUOTE=Sir Drone;52857559]Didn't Moffat write Blink? I wonder if someone else handled the script or if Moffat does better with single episode forumula's then arc plots.[/QUOTE] Blind is a great episode in my opinion (though some hate it) but it is highly derivative and Moffat is a terrible, terrible showrunner. And he ruined the angels with their later episodes - they should have been a once off.

There are basically two kinds of Doctor Who episodes, the "real" Doctor Who and dumb filler bullshit. Unfortunately dumb filler bullshit has been highly domineering in the show for some time, with some of the episodes not even feeling like Doctor Who epsiodes. which is a bit of a shame. Doctor Who as a show possesses enormous science fiction potential, and possibly fulfills like 10% of it at most. Doctor Who truly shines at those moments when it generates this feeling of “adventuristic/cosmic awe”.

I prefer episodes where something weird happens and the Doctor does something really clever to resolve it. Rather than, the Doctor uses his moral high ground to save the day.

Unfortunately you can only use ~[I]clever[/I]~ so much, impossible solutions to impossible problems. But, you know, the Doctor is the [B][I]Smartest Person Evar.[/I][/B]

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52858090]I prefer episodes where something weird happens and the Doctor does something really clever to resolve it. Rather than, the Doctor uses his moral high ground to save the day.[/QUOTE] I heavily dislike the perpetual plot line where one of the human protagonists has to save the doctor's life instead of the doctor using something clever as fuck to get out of the situation. I guess I dislike plot points where the protagonist is completely vulnerable in general. Pushed to their very limits? That's fine. Turned into a helpless prisoner? Not my thing.

[QUOTE=Necrotic Fever;52857140]Moffat was almost universally praised under RTD, but garnered a bit of backlash he took the reins.[/QUOTE] This basically summarizes my experience with the show. I watched the beginning of the new show up until Matt Smith, realized how shit it was getting and stopped. Around the time I remember hearing Moffat say some really dumb shit and people groaning about his episodes ([url=https://pics.me.me/3-coffee-iv-a-short-doctor-who-episode-by-steven-moffat-17872196.png]this image[/url] comes to mind) but it was confusing cause he had written Blink and the Library episodes.

Honestly Clara made me stop watching the show. She was such a fucking awful character

What was even the point of Danny pink and his Astronaut descendant? There was zero resolution.