[QUOTE=Lolkork;51454809]i think the internet is causing more extremist views. Targeted ads and recommended content makes sure that people only read and hear about things they already care about. And its super easy to find echochambers for your views.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but on the other hand you could do that in real life. It was just harder though.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51454829]Yeah but on the other hand you could do that in real life. It was just harder though.[/QUOTE]
Its much more difficult to find echo chambers in real life, especially if you're part of any work setting.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51454829]Yeah but on the other hand you could do that in real life. It was just harder though.[/QUOTE]
It is kinda easier in real life though, since you already kind of live in an echochamber of shared values in the form of your community. And it's harder for new information and values to spread resulting in people following "the old ways"
Though, at some point ot probably gets to be pretty much the same, weather you lock your society down comepletely, or you have so much freedom that you can lock yourself down
[QUOTE=Lolkork;51454809]i think the internet is causing more extremist views. Targeted ads and recommended content makes sure that people only read and hear about things they already care about. And its super easy to find echochambers for your views.[/QUOTE]
And without internet people would only communicate with and hear from people around them, so in a sense it is more likely that they will live in a bubble with a very restricted/deformed view of the outside world. Which is how extremist views are born.
"I'm cyberbullying a child!"
Fuck, that really got me :v:
What disturbs me is that it's never been easier to spread false information and often more easily than accurate information. The control that websites like Facebook have over the average person's perception of reality is unreal.
[QUOTE=Lolkork;51454809]i think the internet is causing more extremist views. Targeted ads and recommended content makes sure that people only read and hear about things they already care about. And its super easy to find echochambers for your views.[/QUOTE]
Gotta disagree. Echochambering is exactly how you got extremists like WBBC in the past. A lot of religious fanaticism probably came about because of a lack of information, understanding, and an ability to be challenged on world views.
[QUOTE=Foogooman;51455299]What disturbs me is that it's never been easier to spread false information and often more easily than accurate information. The control that websites like Facebook have over the average person's perception of reality is unreal.[/QUOTE]
It has also never been easier to check (for the most part) weather or not that information is false.
Also, back in the "good ol' days", you wouldn't really have any way of checking anything at all.
On a positive note, he's right, I've learned leagues more through Wikipedia Syndrome than some of my formal education.
You're not limited to learning only what your school can provide or what educator dictates is the "proper courses for education", and this is the kind of learning that is really nurturing.
If you actively seek information and education out yourself you foster your own self-actualization and real knowledge (And with Wikipedia/Internet as a whole its piss easy).
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51454773]There are still several downsides to having an endless stream of information and entertainment readily available to you at all times, disregarding these downsides is foolish and shortsighted.
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What downsides are those?
[quote]Also ironically, with this vast and never-ending stream of information, we are actually getting less smart due to our brains becoming less accustomed to retain information and more so to merely replace it - which is also directly influencing the attention spans of children at young ages. ADHD cases in children have been steadily rising for decades now with a sharp increase right around the 00's, and while that may be in part due to broken mental health facilities, I am confident that the internet or more specifically, social media, is directly responsible for this increase. [/quote]
Sounds like a pile of bullshit. Do you have any sources on this?
[QUOTE=Antary;51455970]What downsides are those?
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people who can't do critical thinking
[t]http://i.imgur.com/BGC0mS0.png[/t]
of course this was shared over 100 000 times all over the world, when it's not even true
[quote=thelocal]
Swedish roads, and their lampposts, are owned by either councils or the state. Those councils who wish to hang Christmas lights on roadside lampposts owned by the state have to apply for permission from Trafikverket, which has been taking an increasingly restrictive stance in recent years.
"We don't want Trafikverket's lighting constructions to be used for anything other than their original purpose and this is because of several different reasons," Elin Isaksson, coordinator at Trafikverket, told The Local.
She said that part of the reason is that Christmas lights are usually plugged into the lampposts, and under Swedish law, Trafikverket is not allowed to give or sell power from the electric installations they own.
Another reason is safety, and making sure the lampposts won't come down in bad weather.
"When the lampposts were bought a certain structural integrity was required, and that can't be guaranteed when there is extra weight in the form of, for example, Christmas lights," said Isaksson. "We don't know how much the posts can handle when the conditions change from what they have been tested for."
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of course this can't be blamed on the internet, but the downside is that it's spread all over the globe instantly and people just believe it because they saw it on facebook or a "news site"
[QUOTE=Cuel;51456681]
of course this can't be blamed on the internet, but the downside is that it's spread all over the globe instantly and people just believe it because they saw it on facebook or a "news site"[/QUOTE]
same thing happened with newspapers
[QUOTE=Cuel;51456681]people who can't do critical thinking
[t]http://i.imgur.com/BGC0mS0.png[/t]
of course this was shared over 100 000 times all over the world, when it's not even true
of course this can't be blamed on the internet, but the downside is that it's spread all over the globe instantly and people just believe it because they saw it on facebook or a "news site"[/QUOTE]
And without the internet, there wouldn't be anything to to tell them it was a lie. This isn't a fault of the "endless stream of information" as much as it is a fault of the people reading the articles.
With the endless stream of info, new skills need to be learned to deal with it properly, like critical thinking skills.
If you went on the internet and had no ability to sort the facts from falsehoods, I couldn't imagine what your life would be like lol
[QUOTE=Foogooman;51455299]What disturbs me is that it's never been easier to spread false information and often more easily than accurate information. The control that websites like Facebook have over the average person's perception of reality is unreal.[/QUOTE]
Well, before now that control was just in the hands of the television, or further back the news papers, or further still it was all town criers and rumors. And there were much fewer ways to actually check or confirm if any of that information was true.
[QUOTE=Kolmala;51456875]With the endless stream of info, new skills need to be learned to deal with it properly, like critical thinking skills.
If you went on the internet and had no ability to sort the facts from falsehoods, I couldn't imagine what your life would be like lol[/QUOTE]
It was even worse before internet since you couldn't fact check anything and could be indoctrinated very easily.
[QUOTE=elowin;51456919]Well, before now that control was just in the hands of the television, or further back the news papers, or further still it was all town criers and rumors. And there were much fewer ways to actually check or confirm is any of that information was true.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but now if you believe into falsehoods on the net you only have yourself to blame.
Its your own personal responsibility to cross-reference facts, critically think and double-check sources.
[QUOTE=Antary;51455970]What downsides are those?
Sounds like a pile of bullshit. Do you have any sources on this?[/QUOTE]
At least with his claim about ADHD cases I can tell you that it is almost certainly bullshit.
There's a rise in ADHD [i]diagnoses[/i], but little proof of there actually being an increase in cases of it. In general getting diagnosed with mental problems is more common now than it's ever been, and ADHD is one of those diagnoses that have been so massively popularized throughout the last few centuries that even most average people could tell you what it is. And this, in turn, also influences psychiatrists to diagnose more people with it as they focus more on ADHD symptoms, and misdiagnoses are quite common. The exact same thing happened with Asperger's Syndrome as well.
The part about retaining information [i]might[/i] be at least partially true, but it's a very difficult thing to prove. The brain is not all the dissimilar to your muscles, and just like your muscles it needs to be trained and exercised. If remembering information becomes less important to you due to being able to look most things up at the call of a button, then it would make sense that your memory might get slightly worse. I don't think there's actually any hard proof one way or another though, and you could argue that it isn't so important if our memories are getting worse when we can just look things up.
Can we also mention that, with a lot of other mental disorders, ADHD means a lot more than what it says on the tin? ADHD is doesn't just affect one's ability to remember and recall, it affects all areas of executive function. It affects one's ability to problem solve, plan, and reason as well, just to name a few.
To say that the stream of info coming from the internet is making people develop ADHD is disingenuous and frankly insulting to people like myself that actually suffer from it.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51454773]There are still several downsides to having an endless stream of information and entertainment readily available to you at all times, disregarding these downsides is foolish and shortsighted.
We must retain some aspects of previous generations as we more forward and we mustn't brush all of social history aside in the name of some feel-good faux-intellectualism about how information and instant communications equals good, period.
Also ironically, with this vast and never-ending stream of information, we are actually getting less smart due to our brains becoming less accustomed to retain information and more so to merely replace it - which is also directly influencing the attention spans of children at young ages. ADHD cases in children have been steadily rising for decades now with a sharp increase right around the 00's, and while that may be in part due to broken mental health facilities, I am confident that the internet or more specifically, social media, is directly responsible for this increase.[/QUOTE]
Where are you sources for all of this?
I think people who didnt have critical thinking before would still lack critical thinking if the internet did not exist, because if we are talking about the same kinds of people then I dont think they want to learn critical thinking. Yes there are more ways for those people to spread their ideas a long distance, but it is also easier for people who do have critical thinking to spread their ideas.
Learning new skills has also become very easy because of this wealth of information so it is also relatively easy to find out what critical thinking is and how to employ it if you have the desire to do so.
The thing about the internet is that the untested truths spun by different interests continue to churn and accumulate in the sandbox of political correctness/incorrectness and value systems. Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large.
The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right. Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "truth."
[QUOTE=Viper_;51457537]The thing about the internet is that the untested truths spun by different interests continue to churn and accumulate in the sandbox of political correctness/incorrectness and value systems. Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large.
The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right. Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "truth."[/QUOTE]
This was the case long before the internet.
[QUOTE=Viper_;51457537]The thing about the internet is that the untested truths spun by different interests continue to churn and accumulate in the sandbox of political correctness/incorrectness and value systems. Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large.
The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right. Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "truth."[/QUOTE]
The more I see it happen the more I question just how right Kojima was when he wrote the patriots.
[video=youtube;eKl6WjfDqYA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKl6WjfDqYA[/video]
[QUOTE=Viper_;51457537]The thing about the internet is that the untested truths spun by different interests continue to churn and accumulate in the sandbox of political correctness/incorrectness and value systems. Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large.
The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right. Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "truth."[/QUOTE]
It's almost as if this has been addressed before in this thread. Something about the inability to check facts without the web, the fact that wherever you get the info from is limited and probably biased (think if the only source of news was Fox), and a few other points already brought up, but not discussed, for who knows what reason
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51454773]There are still several downsides to having an endless stream of information and entertainment readily available to you at all times, disregarding these downsides is foolish and shortsighted.
We must retain some aspects of previous generations as we more forward and we mustn't brush all of social history aside in the name of some feel-good faux-intellectualism about how information and instant communications equals good, period.
Also ironically, with this vast and never-ending stream of information, we are actually getting less smart due to our brains becoming less accustomed to retain information and more so to merely replace it - which is also directly influencing the attention spans of children at young ages. ADHD cases in children have been steadily rising for decades now with a sharp increase right around the 00's, and while that may be in part due to broken mental health facilities, I am confident that the internet or more specifically, social media, is directly responsible for this increase.[/QUOTE]
citation pls lmao
who cares whether it's bad or not
it's not gonna go away even if we find out it's a ploy by satan to funnel us all straight to hell
I can say for certain that I definitely wouldn't be as open minded as I am now if it weren't for the internet, heck, my grammar would probably be in shambles too without the internet.
[QUOTE=cdr248;51458125]who cares whether it's bad or not
it's not gonna go away even if we find out it's a ploy by satan to funnel us all straight to hell[/QUOTE]
but does hell come with heavy metal and shotguns like DOOM prophesied?
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