• Cobra Fires rockets and guns at Taliban
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I know this is a bit "Fuck ye 'merriccaaa" but some of the videos on this channel are pretty amazing. [video=youtube;c3Pul5NDceA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3Pul5NDceA&feature=g-all-u&context=G2f73d0eFAAAAAAAAAAA[/video]
hoo-doggy
Damn Battlefield 3 again.
"COBRA-KAI" Cobra's are pretty sweet helo's
-General Dynamics 20 mm (0.787 in) M197 3-barreled gatling cannon -Hydra 70 2.75 in (70 mm) rockets - 7 rockets mounted in the M260 launcher or 19 rockets in the M261 launcher -TOW Missiles - 4 or 8 missiles mounted in two-missile launchers on each hardpoint In conclusion, if one of these things is after you -- you're fucked. I like the Viper better though. Not because I'm in the Marines, but because of it's difference in armaments.
I love how they cut the fucks. Blowing little brown peopple to bits is acceptable, but cursing marines, that would really be bad for the image, now wouldn't it.
There's nothing amazing about killing people.
Those are amazing choppers... but my heart sank. I hate war. It's a needed thing of the world without peace, but I rather not think about it.
[QUOTE=wootmonster;35280682]There's nothing amazing about killing people.[/QUOTE] Don't start a war debate discussion, it will only end bad. If that was direct and accurate fire, whoever was near is probably not so much in the living world.
funkers350 videos are pretty damn good.
[QUOTE=SatansSin;35281081] If that was direct and accurate fire, whoever was near is probably not so much in the living world.[/QUOTE] Well they were still firing after the first barrage, and it cut off shortly after the second... Also, a "war debate" is to be expected in threads like this. Otherwise it'd be pointless. Personally, I don't approve of videos like this that glamorise war. We just witnessed murder. It doesn't matter how you slice it, good guys... bad guys... doesn't matter. It's a video of human beings slaughtering other human beings, and people shouldn't forget that. What's more, you can hear other people cheering and whooping at said slaughtering. It's also important to remember that those victims felt the same sense of duty that we do. They were fighting for a cause they believe in... and now they've left behind families who'll be grieving for their lost brother, son or husband, just like we do in the west. Does it not bother you, that to hundreds of thousands of people... we are the bad guys? Evil is a point of view, and we shouldn't be so quick to label these people as evil terrorists when our own governments are still full of corruption. Do you think Hitler's mother thought he was the most evil man on the planet? No. He was worshipped by millions. There's nothing admirable about this video in the slightest, the death of any person is a tragedy. Just because we don't actually SEE them dying horrendous deaths doesn't make it any more tolerable, imagine if this was a video from their point of view. Would it still be cool? I imagine it'd be pretty horrifying.
[QUOTE=Scotchair;35281357]Well they were still firing after the first barrage, and it cut off shortly after the second... Also, a "war debate" is to be expected in threads like this. Otherwise it'd be pointless. Personally, I don't approve of videos like this that glamorise war. We just witnessed murder. It doesn't matter how you slice it, good guys... bad guys... doesn't matter. It's a video of human beings slaughtering other human beings, and people shouldn't forget that. [b]What's more, you can hear other people cheering and whooping at said slaughtering. [/b] It's also important to remember that those victims felt the same sense of duty that we do. They were fighting for a cause they believe in... and now they've left behind families who'll be grieving for their lost brother, son or husband, just like we do in the west. Does it not bother you, that to hundreds of thousands of people... we are the bad guys? Evil is a point of view, and we shouldn't be so quick to label these people as evil terrorists when our own governments are still full of corruption. Do you think Hitler's mother thought he was the most evil man on the planet? No. He was worshipped by millions. There's nothing admirable about this video in the slightest, the death of any person is a tragedy. Just because we don't actually SEE them dying horrendous deaths doesn't make it any more tolerable, imagine if this was a video from their point of view. Would it still be cool? I imagine it'd be pretty horrifying.[/QUOTE] from another point of view, if you've been pinned down by taliban MGs for a couple hours, under the constant fear of death, and a heli comes in and does this, you'd be pretty happy too, no? That being said, I think the channel trivializes war in general a bit too much
Of course you'd be happy, but that's not really a reason to glamorise it by posting videos on the internet. I guess the cheering can be overlooked, to be honest though, I was more talking to the people who like these kind of videos, or think they're "cool"... when in actual fact, they're pretty horrific. I agree with what you're saying about war being trivialized, all we ever really experience of war is these kind of videos. I just wish people would really think about what they're watching, we've become so de-sensitised to war and violence that it really holds no sway any more. People literally watch videos like this for entertainment, which I can't help but feel a little disgusted by. This is real life, not some Michael Bay action sequence.
[QUOTE=Scotchair;35281572]Of course you'd be happy, but that's not really a reason to glamorise it by posting videos on the internet. I guess the cheering can be overlooked, to be honest though, I was more talking to the people who like these kind of videos, or think they're "cool"... when in actual fact, they're pretty horrific. I agree with what you're saying about war being trivialized, all we ever really experience of war is these kind of videos. I just wish people would really think about what they're watching, we've become so de-sensitised to war and violence that it really holds no sway any more. People literally watch videos like this for entertainment, which I can't help but feel a little disgusted by. This is real life, not some Michael Bay action sequence.[/QUOTE] I think nuclear test sequences are cool, I guess that some people think this is cool for the same reason. But these explosions are so less pretty.
[QUOTE=Coridan;35280517]-General Dynamics 20 mm (0.787 in) M197 3-barreled gatling cannon -Hydra 70 2.75 in (70 mm) rockets - 7 rockets mounted in the M260 launcher or 19 rockets in the M261 launcher -TOW Missiles - 4 or 8 missiles mounted in two-missile launchers on each hardpoint In conclusion, if one of these things is after you -- you're fucked. I like the Viper better though. Not because I'm in the Marines, but because of it's difference in armaments.[/QUOTE] Last time I checked, the Viper is just a Super Super Cobra. What does you being in the Marines have to do with you preferring one Marine aircraft over another?
Expected Cobra from GI Joe, got this, was disapointed.
[QUOTE=Apache249;35281695]Last time I checked, the Viper is just a Super Super Cobra. What does you being in the Marines have to do with you preferring one Marine aircraft over another?[/QUOTE] Cobra is an Army helicopter (and no longer produced, replaced by the Apache). Viper is a Marine helicopter. Most people would go "hurr durr you're a Marine that's why you like it better" so I thought I'd clarify before someone said it. And no, the Viper is different. Rotors: Cobra - 2 blades on main rotor, two on the tail. Viper - 4 main, 4 tail. Powerplant: Cobra - 1 × Lycoming T53-L-703 turboshaft. Viper - 2 × General Electric T700-GE-401C turboshaft. Because the the Viper has more lift due to extra rotors and it has two engines, it has a higher maximum take off weight (10,000 lbs vs 18,500 lbs) and a higher maximum speed. However, this means it has a lower combat range due to the second engine sucking down fuel. Also another big difference is instead of carrying the Hydra 2.75 inch rockets (like I mentioned the Cobra carried in my last post) it carries either AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles (one mounted on each wing for a total of two) OR AGM-114 Hellfire air-to-surface missiles ( Up to 16 missiles mounted in four 4-round M272 missile launchers, two on each wing). The third big difference is that the Viper comes with the Lockheed Martin/Northrop Grumman AN/APG-78 Longbow fire control radar. In conclusion, yeah to the layman it seem like both helos are the same. But they are very different. [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] Sorry for the slew of information. I just wanted to explain.
[QUOTE=Coridan;35281985]Cobra is an Army helicopter (and no longer produced, replaced by the Apache). Viper is a Marine helicopter. Most people would go "hurr durr you're a Marine that's why you like it better" so I thought I'd clarify before someone said it. And no, the Viper is different. Rotors: Cobra - 2 blades on main rotor, two on the tail. Viper - 4 main, 4 tail. Powerplant: Cobra - 1 × Lycoming T53-L-703 turboshaft. Viper - 2 × General Electric T700-GE-401C turboshaft. Because the the Viper has more lift due to extra rotors and it has two engines, it has a higher maximum take off weight (10,000 lbs vs 18,500 lbs) and a higher maximum speed. However, this means it has a lower combat range due to the second engine sucking down fuel. Also another big difference is instead of carrying the Hydra 2.75 inch rockets (like I mentioned the Cobra carried in my last post) it carries either AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles (one mounted on each wing for a total of two) OR AGM-114 Hellfire air-to-surface missiles ( Up to 16 missiles mounted in four 4-round M272 missile launchers, two on each wing). The third big difference is that the Viper comes with the Lockheed Martin/Northrop Grumman AN/APG-78 Longbow fire control radar. In conclusion, yeah to the layman it seem like both helos are the same. But they are very different. [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] Sorry for the slew of information. I just wanted to explain.[/QUOTE] Actually, bell produced a "SuperCobra" also used by the USMC and other 2-engined cobra variants, the Viper is just the designation for the AH1Z, the latest (and presumably the last, haha, since the USMC always wanted apaches), which differs from prior variants due to glass cockpits, 4 blade rotors, and other things.
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;35282118]Actually, bell produced a "SuperCobra" also used by the USMC and other 2-engined cobra variants, the Viper is just the designation for the AH1Z, the latest (and presumably the last, haha, since the USMC always wanted apaches), which differs from prior variants due to glass cockpits, 4 blade rotors, and other things.[/QUOTE] Indeed. However, when the 1Z came into service is when the Army stopped using them. Therefore, it's always been "our" Viper in our eyes. We've never thought of it as a Cobra. Nonetheless, the two are different. And no, we do not want the Apache at all. The Apache is more capable than the old Cobra models, but the difference has been blurred with newer model Cobras (Viper). The Cobra was much cheaper, though less sophisticated and takes up much less room on the deck of a ship. The latter being the deciding factor. We're Marines... we operate off of the Navy's carriers until we can establish FOBs etc. in enemy territory.
ah1w supercobra and ah1z viper if you're gonna whore for the corps get it right army used the normal cobra variants
[QUOTE=oakman26;35282219]AH-1W is currently used isnt it? I've never heard of the marines wanting apaches could i see a source? and why would a helicopter need to carry sidewinders[/QUOTE] No, it's the AH-1Z. The Army still does use the 1W, but it is no longer produced and has been replaced by the Apache, as previously mentioned. 2nd question answered above. To shoot down air targets... duh? [QUOTE=W0w00t;35282334]ah1w supercobra and ah1z viper if you're gonna whore for the corps get it right army used the normal cobra variants[/QUOTE] Wow, you broke my automerge with your constructive post. I already clarified the differences between the two and in no way did I ever say the Army used the Viper.
[QUOTE=oakman26;35282487]The army does not use the AH-1W and never has I was asking torsky about why the marines wanted apaches What air targets? And w0w00t meant that the Army never used the supercobra and only the older cobra variants that were replaced with apache rather than the supercobra[/QUOTE] I remember talking to some officer about it some time ago, and a couple websites corrobate with his opinion "But NAVAIR, either alone, or with the connivance of the Marines, did a paper study of a Marine version, and porked it up to something that had very little commonality, and added entirely unrealistic options, such as surface search radar, and the ability to carry AGM-84 Harpoons. The goal, of course, was to kill any possibility of Apache procurement for the Marines." [url]http://xbradtc.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/ah-1z-cobra/[/url] these procurement things are usually kept pretty hush-hush anyways.
[QUOTE=oakman26;35282487]The army does not use the AH-1W I was asking torsky about why the marines wanted apaches What air targets? And w0w00t meant that the Army never used the supercobra and only the older cobra variants that were replaced with apache rather than the supercobra[/QUOTE] I mean't to say they still use the Cobra, in general. A lot are scrapped though. Yes, I did... [QUOTE=Coridan;35282331]...And no, we do not want the Apache at all. The Apache is more capable than the old Cobra models, but the difference has been blurred with newer model Cobras (Viper). The Cobra was much cheaper, though less sophisticated and takes up much less room on the deck of a ship. The latter being the deciding factor. We're Marines... we operate off of the Navy's carriers until we can establish FOBs etc. in enemy territory.[/QUOTE] What do you mean "what air targets?"? Fucking air targets... Helicopters and jets. It's nice to have the capability, you know?
[QUOTE=Coridan;35282331]Indeed. However, when the 1Z came into service is when the Army stopped using them. Therefore, it's always been "our" Viper in our eyes. We've never thought of it as a Cobra. Nonetheless, the two are different. And no, we do not want the Apache at all. The Apache is more capable than the old Cobra models, but the difference has been blurred with newer model Cobras (Viper). The Cobra was much cheaper, though less sophisticated and takes up much less room on the deck of a ship. The latter being the deciding factor. We're Marines... we operate off of the Navy's carriers until we can establish FOBs etc. in enemy territory.[/QUOTE] I've never seen anything about the Army flying 1Ws. What I did see was that funding was denied for the Marines to receive a navalized Apache, so they got the improved AH-1W Super Cobra instead, from which the AH-1Z Viper was developed. [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=oakman26;35282675]what was preventing AH-1W from mounting a sidewinder?[/QUOTE] That's like saying "what is preventing your minivan from mounting a Sidewinder?" It just wasn't built with Sidewinder capability. You can't just duct tape one to the side and expect it to function. [editline]24th March 2012[/editline] I'm not a casual observer.
[QUOTE=Apache249;35284982]enting your minivan from mounting a Sidewinder?" It just wasn't built with Sidewinder capability. You can't just duct tape one to the side and expect it to function. [/QUOTE] I'd do it.
[QUOTE=Scotchair;35281357]Well they were still firing after the first barrage, and it cut off shortly after the second... Also, a "war debate" is to be expected in threads like this. Otherwise it'd be pointless. Personally, I don't approve of videos like this that glamorise war. We just witnessed murder. It doesn't matter how you slice it, good guys... bad guys... doesn't matter. It's a video of human beings slaughtering other human beings, and people shouldn't forget that. What's more, you can hear other people cheering and whooping at said slaughtering. It's also important to remember that those victims felt the same sense of duty that we do. They were fighting for a cause they believe in... and now they've left behind families who'll be grieving for their lost brother, son or husband, just like we do in the west. Does it not bother you, that to hundreds of thousands of people... we are the bad guys? Evil is a point of view, and we shouldn't be so quick to label these people as evil terrorists when our own governments are still full of corruption. Do you think Hitler's mother thought he was the most evil man on the planet? No. He was worshipped by millions. There's nothing admirable about this video in the slightest, the death of any person is a tragedy. Just because we don't actually SEE them dying horrendous deaths doesn't make it any more tolerable, imagine if this was a video from their point of view. Would it still be cool? I imagine it'd be pretty horrifying.[/QUOTE] What a pussy, watching people die gives me a hard on, same as drowning puppies.
War. War never changes. Cool video though (Y)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBkQ4LN_7U&list=PL8C37447F5C26EE55&index=10&feature=plcp[/media] Still my favorite video from funker. A-10's are horrifying.
Dont forget that the pilot probably did a backflip with the heli ending up killing himself and some of his ground squad, you know; [I]STANDARD AMERICAN PROCEDURE[/I]
[QUOTE=stewe231;35294930][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBkQ4LN_7U&list=PL8C37447F5C26EE55&index=10&feature=plcp[/media] Still my favorite video from funker. A-10's are horrifying.[/QUOTE] That's a scary sound they make
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