[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45110435][video=youtube;ocV-RnVQdcs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV-RnVQdcs[/video][/QUOTE]
Stop fucking posting Thunderf00t.
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I cant believe this shit got that far and it is really concerning that people defend this so vigorously. Seems people will throw money at anything if the video is good enough.
Thunderf00t is literally garbage
he doesn't actually know what he's talking about when it comes to anything except those videos he did debunking all those hoaxes about fukushima
I don't know why people are attacking solar roadways for being too expensive when implementing them would cost a fraction of what the war on terror cost over the ten plus years its been going. It would also bring the road maintenance costs which is something like $73 billion to a tiny fraction of that. In fact, it would generate a huge amount of capital.
Also its abundantly clear from the video that thunderf00t didn't read the faq for solar roadways. I'm not gonna blindly defend this idea because it does seem a little out there but thunderf00t is ill-informed and it just looks like he's attacking it just for fun. After all, it's an initiative made solely to improve the world, so it doesn't even make sense to attack it.
[editline]lol[/editline]
oh and this has already been posted
Why are some of you so against this guy? I haven't noticed anything wrong in the video so far.
[QUOTE=Quiet;45111500]Why are some of you so against this guy? I haven't noticed anything wrong in the video so far.[/QUOTE]
They don't actually bother watching any of the videos, butthurt sjw, religious people etc...
[editline]15th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cabbage;45111315]I don't know why people are attacking solar roadways for being too expensive when implementing them would cost a fraction of what the war on terror cost over the ten plus years its been going. It would also bring the road maintenance costs which is something like $73 billion to a tiny fraction of that. In fact, it would generate a huge amount of capital.
Also its abundantly clear from the video that thunderf00t didn't read the faq for solar roadways. I'm not gonna blindly defend this idea because it does seem a little out there but thunderf00t is ill-informed and it just looks like he's attacking it just for fun. After all, it's an initiative made solely to improve the world, so it doesn't even make sense to attack it.
[editline]lol[/editline]
oh and this has already been posted[/QUOTE]
He already addressed the FAQ page in the first video, it's still stupid
It's obviously evident that you don't actually bother watching any of the videos.
[QUOTE=ac/14;45111279]I cant believe this shit got that far and it is really concerning that people defend this so vigorously. Seems people will throw money at anything if the video is good enough.[/QUOTE]
It's "SCIENCE!!!" With a well-made video and makers that seem passionate about their product.
That shit sells on the Internet.
Also to the people saying that this was already posted, it wasn't.
1st video
[video=youtube;H901KdXgHs4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H901KdXgHs4[/video]
2nd video
[video=youtube;K3ftXinT4jI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3ftXinT4jI[/video]
3rd video
[video=youtube;KI8c2f8r0UU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI8c2f8r0UU[/video]
And 4th (this one)
[video=youtube;ocV-RnVQdcs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV-RnVQdcs[/video]
He also makes 2,154$ per video now
[IMG]http://puu.sh/9uOIg/4c815415ad.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Cabbage;45111315]I don't know why people are attacking solar roadways for being too expensive when implementing them would cost a fraction of what the war on terror cost over the ten plus years its been going. It would also bring the road maintenance costs which is something like $73 billion to a tiny fraction of that. In fact, it would generate a huge amount of capital.[/QUOTE]
Some conservative estimates I've seen for installing these are more than the entire GDP of the US, so that's a ridiculous statement. The glass alone is in the trillions, let alone everything else.
How are they cheaper to maintain? How are they easeir to maintain? I've asked this a dozen times and gone into great detail on why it's a ridiculous claim, and nobody has provided a response that isn't along the lines of "It's in the FAQ," or something incoherent about magical super materials that nobody can quite specify. Neither of which actually say anything. Their FAQ is ignorant of basic physics. Anything drawing off their FAQ is likely to be ridiculous as a result.
There's less than a handful of points on their FAQ that aren't completely and utterly ridiculous, and of that handful, maybe a couple aren't absurdly misleading, or out of context.
thunderf00t might be a freaky fucker but people actually spent $2m on this???
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;45111945]thunderf00t might be a freaky fucker but people actually spent $2m on this???[/QUOTE]
They're making a difference.
With SCIENCE!
Why is not reading the thread bannable but not watching the video the thread is about totally fine? No one has pointed out any issues in the video and the ones they pointed out WERE ACTUALLY IN THE VIDEO. It's fine to attack something, but if you're going to mindlessly attack this guy then you shouldn't have a problem with people mindlessly attacking solar roadways.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;45111315]I don't know why people are attacking solar roadways for being too expensive when implementing them would cost a fraction of what the war on terror cost over the ten plus years its been going. It would also bring the road maintenance costs which is something like $73 billion to a tiny fraction of that. In fact, it would generate a huge amount of capital.
Also its abundantly clear from the video that thunderf00t didn't read the faq for solar roadways. I'm not gonna blindly defend this idea because it does seem a little out there but thunderf00t is ill-informed and it just looks like he's attacking it just for fun. [b]After all, it's an initiative made solely to improve the world, so it doesn't even make sense to attack it.[/b]
[editline]lol[/editline]
oh and this has already been posted[/QUOTE]
In which case, I'm going to harness the power of teeny tiny hamsters in hamster wheels to cure cancer. Can I have 2 billion please? You can't tell me how ridiculous my idea is though or criticise it's fundamental logic and physics flaws, because I'm trying to improve the world.
It's pretty clear the guy in the video doesn't have much clue about the actual energy/electronics side of things, he just repurposes someone elses arguments on that, but it doesn't make it any less true. LEDS/Solar panels are no way near efficient enough to make this remotely economically feasible, disregarding all the other issues.
The only way this would be a relatively viable solution, is if we made it out of diamond. But even if we could mine and manipulate diamond to that extent, it still wouldn't be invincible, and the price would be much more ridiculous.
This is just a horrible idea, and I don't see that money going to good use. I would feel bad for the people who donated, but they should seriously look deep into something before investing into it.
[editline]15th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=jesse1412;45112056]Why is not reading the thread bannable but not watching the video the thread is about totally fine? No one has pointed out any issues in the video and the ones they pointed out WERE ACTUALLY IN THE VIDEO. It's fine to attack something, but if you're going to mindlessly attack this guy then you shouldn't have a problem with people mindlessly attacking solar roadways.[/QUOTE]
"This video is done by [i]username[/i], [b]I hate [i]username[/i]![/b] This video is pure bullshit, and you are a fucking idiot for listening to [i]username[/i]!" -A generous portion of Facepunch users.
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45111585]They don't actually bother watching any of the videos, butthurt sjw, religious people etc...
[editline]15th June 2014[/editline]
He already addressed the FAQ page in the first video, it's still stupid
It's obviously evident that you don't actually bother watching any of the videos.[/QUOTE]
I actually have, and it's easy to conclude that he's just there to be dismissive. He brings nothing new to the table, all his points have been made and some are addressed in the faq that he apparently addresses but goes on to ignore for the rest of the video
edit: only seen the first, didn't know there was more than one, I'll go watch them
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;45111902]Some conservative estimates I've seen for installing these are more than the entire GDP of the US, so that's a ridiculous statement. The glass alone is in the trillions, let alone everything else.[/QUOTE]
Our current road system cost about $21 Trillion, and $130B per year to maintain (may only be counting highways). It's disingenuous to discount large projects by citing trillions in costs: please compare it to what we already have.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;45112458]I actually have, and it's easy to conclude that he's just there to be dismissive. He brings nothing new to the table, all his points have been made and [b]some are addressed in the faq[/b] that he apparently addresses but goes on to ignore for the rest of the video[/QUOTE]
Why do you seem to think the FAQ is anything other than a steaming pile of shit in a pool of vomit? Because that's what it is. It's pure, and unadulterated bullshit.
[QUOTE=Joscpe;45112417]The only way this would be a relatively viable solution, is if we made it out of diamond. But even if we could mine and manipulate diamond to that extent, it still wouldn't be invincible, and the price would be much more ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Isn't it also easy to shatter diamond if it was in plate format? Would it really be able to handle the stress roads get?
[QUOTE=Cabbage;45112458]I actually have, and it's easy to conclude that he's just there to be dismissive.[/QUOTE]
Of course he's being dismissive, it's a stupid idea. He shows that the bare bones of this project are flawed.
[editline]15th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45112483]Isn't it also easy to shatter diamond if it was in plate format? Would it really be able to handle the stress roads get?[/QUOTE]
Yes, which is what I meant by it wouldn't be invincible. Slightly more durable than glass, but still shatterable, still scratchable, still an awful idea.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;45111315]I don't know why people are attacking solar roadways for being too expensive when implementing them would cost a fraction of what the war on terror cost over the ten plus years its been going. It would also bring the road maintenance costs which is something like $73 billion to a tiny fraction of that. In fact, it would generate a huge amount of capital.
Also its abundantly clear from the video that thunderf00t didn't read the faq for solar roadways. I'm not gonna blindly defend this idea because it does seem a little out there but thunderf00t is ill-informed and it just looks like he's attacking it just for fun. After all, it's an initiative made solely to improve the world, so it doesn't even make sense to attack it.
[editline]lol[/editline]
oh and this has already been posted[/QUOTE]
Explain to me how something that is supposed to light up the roads is going to generate capital. Do you really think these things can't get damaged? What's the advantage to paint when it's not even feasible to light up the proposed amount of area effectively?
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45111716]Also to the people saying that this was already posted, it wasn't.
1st video
[video=youtube;H901KdXgHs4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H901KdXgHs4[/video]
2nd video
[video=youtube;K3ftXinT4jI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3ftXinT4jI[/video]
3rd video
[video=youtube;KI8c2f8r0UU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI8c2f8r0UU[/video]
And 4th (this one)
[video=youtube;ocV-RnVQdcs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV-RnVQdcs[/video]
He also makes 2,154$ per video now
[IMG]http://puu.sh/9uOIg/4c815415ad.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
1: why did you make new threads for every goddamn video on the same subject by the same person.
2: didn't I threaten to ban you for consistently posting nothing but thunderfoot videos
2: that 3 minute video netted him [b]$11.52 per second[/b], woow
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;45112482]Why do you seem to think the FAQ is anything other than [B]a steaming pile of shit in a pool of vomit[/B]? Because that's what it is. It's[B] pure, and unadulterated bullshit[/B].[/QUOTE]
i mean thunderf00t's the same but people still support him
see: his tireless crusade on feminism that stems from cherry picking and not looking up the definition of a single word
and like his entire criticism stems from the idea that we're going to replace all the roads instantly with the current model of panels
if he actually looked at the page he'd know the funding is for additional research and development, and publicity to get more government attention
he's basically a cynical libertarian douchebag, and an MRA to boot which makes him the perfect storm of pissgarbage
[QUOTE=metallics;45112263]LEDS/Solar panels are no way near efficient enough to make this remotely economically feasible, disregarding all the other issues.[/QUOTE]
An EU report on solar panels expects them to cost roughly one third of what they currently do in roughly 7 years, and they'll be additionally more efficient and longer lasting in that time. Regardless of how sensible the road idea is, the solar panels are going to be far more practical in the timeline of such a massive civil project.
[QUOTE=dai;45112515]1: why did you make new threads for every goddamn video on the same subject by the same person
2: that 3 minute video netted him [B]$11.52 per second[/B][/QUOTE]
Probably, because it would be a clusterfuck of people combating individual videos all throughout one thread. It would cause confusion, and people would watch one video and not all of them anyways, then argue points which were later cleared up.
[b]Edit:[/b]
[QUOTE=dai;45112515]2: didn't I threaten to ban you for consistently posting nothing but thunderfoot videos[/QUOTE]
I was not aware that was a bannable offense. Is this a new rule; is it in the rules thread(s), or is this just your own designated rule?
Not to undermine your 'forum authority'; but sorry, that's just asinine.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;45112478]Our current road system cost about $21 Trillion, and $130B per year to maintain (may only be counting highways). It's disingenuous to discount large projects by citing trillions in costs: please compare it to what we already have.[/QUOTE]
I'm 90% sure I've already gone of this with you. The glass alone would be in the 15-50 trillion dollar range by itself depending on a bunch of different ranges of specifications that the tiles might have (specifications that they STILL haven't provided, so the materials people I know have to make some estimations). That's STILL only for regular tempered glass, which will not last under even moderate usage for more than a couple of years, let alone maintain low opacity, a fact you STILL refuse to accept.
That's not including any of the other materials in the tiles, the foundation, the wiring, panels, costs of installation, costs of maintenance, or anything else.
I swear, you are deliberately being ignorant of basic math and facts.
[QUOTE=dai;45112515]1: why did you make new threads for every goddamn video on the same subject by the same person.
2: didn't I threaten to ban you for consistently posting nothing but thunderfoot videos
2: that 3 minute video netted him [b]$11.52 per second[/b], woow[/QUOTE]
woah, I don't only post thunderf00t videos, plus i'm still conviced someone is asking you to tell me this.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;45112528]An EU report on solar panels expects them to cost roughly one third of what they currently do in roughly 7 years, and they'll be additionally more efficient and longer lasting in that time. Regardless of how sensible the road idea is, the solar panels are going to be far more practical in the timeline of such a massive civil project.[/QUOTE]
When will we be able to defend them from vandalism? Some shithead could smash it with a rock/steel easily, spray paint could render the roadways useless.
You would also need some rather strong security on the circuit as well, to avoid hackers. If someone hacked the roadway systems (and hopefully they'd be smart enough to not have the entire system on one network), they could cause devastating damage, and put many drivers in immediate danger.
How would these roadways stand up to car accidents, and environmental disasters; I don't know how robust these panels are expected to be, but if a big accident were to happen, I'm to assume it would take a hell of a lot in resources to repair, than it does to slap down some more tarmac.
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;45112521]i mean thunderf00t's the same but people still support him
see: his tireless crusade on feminism that stems from cherry picking and not looking up the definition of a single word
and like his entire criticism stems from the idea that we're going to replace all the roads instantly with the current model of panels
if he actually looked at the page he'd know the funding is for additional research and development, and publicity to get more government attention
he's basically a cynical libertarian douchebag, and an MRA to boot which makes him the perfect storm of pissgarbage[/QUOTE]
I'm legitimately confused how this has anything to do with the fact that their FAQ is full of egregious errors, ludicrous assumptions, and butthurt attempts at namecalling.
Thunderfoot is insane. What else is new? That has nothing to do with how utterly ridiculous their FAQ is. Any statement along the lines of "See their FAQ." is absurd by extension because the FAQ doesn't actually address anything.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;45112528]An EU report on solar panels expects them to cost roughly one third of what they currently do in roughly 7 years, and they'll be additionally more efficient and longer lasting in that time. Regardless of how sensible the road idea is, the solar panels are going to be far more practical in the timeline of such a massive civil project.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely, and new tech to improve efficiency is coming along all the time, but even with a very generous reduction in cost, the efficiency is unlikely to break 40% in the next 15 years.
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