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Thought it was about the American hitler youth
Nah. Conservatives don't watch porn.
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Thought it was about the American hitler youth[/QUOTE]
the real message of this movie is that people who watch porn are literally hitler
Shoe on head the movie?
I don't get it, the girls put themselves in this position so why should I feel bad for them?
[QUOTE=ChewGum;47845514]I don't get it, the girls put themselves in this position so why should I feel bad for them?[/QUOTE]
Because they're young and stupid. Money and fame can be very attractive to them. But yeah I get your sentiment, and my dick ain't complaining. :suicide:
[QUOTE=ChewGum;47845514]I don't get it, the girls put themselves in this position so why should I feel bad for them?[/QUOTE]
well I'm not sure about these girls, but most of the girls I know who are in this kind of business got into it because they were persuaded into it, told that their bodies will get them famous, get them the "attention that they deserve," and attention=money.
When they try to leave, they get scolded, told they'll never get anywhere else since everyone knows they're a whore, and they'll lose everything, and their miserable lives are only worth as much as their pathetic bodies. Some manage to not listen and get out of there, but most others are too afraid to leave.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;47845658]When they try to leave, they get scolded, told they'll never get anywhere else since everyone knows they're a whore, and they'll lose everything, and their miserable lives are only worth as much as their pathetic bodies. Some manage to not listen and get out of there, but most others are too afraid to leave.[/QUOTE]
Isn't there some truth in that though. People see the kind of people in porn as either high maintenance or having their only skill be their body so I don't think telling them that you won't have they won't go anywhere if they go anywhere else as far as careers go is wrong. With or without the insidious motive to guilt them into staying in the sex industry.
Perhaps if people didn't casually treat sex workers like shit this would be less of problem reintegrating people who want out.
While it's still ultimately their choice, I still feel like a lot of girls are exploited in the porn industry and still think it's kind of sad.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;47845638]Because they're young and stupid. Money and fame can be very attractive to them. But yeah I get your sentiment, and my dick ain't complaining. :suicide:[/QUOTE]
Well, they might be young and stupid, but if they are 18 than you can't really blame them. Stupid or not it's their decision.
They are also (mostly, I guess) aware of the price of that fame because society and media shows it in full color. If they are not not much can be done.
[QUOTE=ryokenshin;47845704]Isn't there some truth in that though. People see the kind of people in porn as either high maintenance or having their only skill be their body so I don't think telling them that you won't have they won't go anywhere if they go anywhere else as far as careers go is wrong. With or without the insidious motive to guilt them into staying in the sex industry.
Perhaps if people didn't casually treat sex workers like shit this would be less of problem reintegrating people who want out.[/QUOTE]
they might not achieve their dreams, but their lives definitely aren't ruined. Every girl I've seen leave has done well for themselves, hell, one even became a rather wealthy realtor.
Besides, true or not, the men saying this shit are always using it as a fucking scare tactic.
[QUOTE=ChewGum;47845514]I don't get it, the girls put themselves in this position so why should I feel bad for them?[/QUOTE]
people make bad choices all the time
it's weird that for some specific people in some specific situations the negative consequences of those choices are worse than for others
Looks interesting.
Seems like a very interesting film. Might have to check it out
0:49 - "they don't care about who you actually are"
Are they expecting their employers to get to know them on a deep level? You do something, you get monetary compensation. I don't think any workplace cares about what kind of movies you enjoy watching, what your favorite color is or what type of tea you drink.
[QUOTE=a dumb bear;47845711]While it's still ultimately their choice, I still feel like a lot of girls are exploited in the porn industry and still think it's kind of sad.[/QUOTE]
If they get paid to get fucked, then how are they exploited? They signed up for it.
It's not like if you refuse to do a set you'll be hunted down and shot, or something.
Anyone who thinks selling their body will get them high in the star industry is a goof
[QUOTE=Covalent;47846070]If they get paid to get fucked, then how are they exploited? They signed up for it.
It's not like if you refuse to do a set you'll be hunted down and shot, or something.
Anyone who thinks selling their body will get them high in the star industry is a goof[/QUOTE]
manipulation to the naive. that's essentially what's going on here.
[QUOTE=ChewGum;47845514]I don't get it, the girls put themselves in this position so why should I feel bad for them?[/QUOTE]
Because the industry is shit, unregulated, exploitative, and sometimes downright immoral as fuck. Many get into it through deception or for quick money, but are forced to remain well after they want out or are abused and exploited. Then there's drugs and such, and you're looking at situations where women get hooked on expensive addictions while in the industry and have no other way to pay for it, or no other means to make a living (perhaps due to lack of skill or their background, perhaps because of the stigma of porn acting). I mean, you can still have empathy for someone who is tricked or makes a dumb decision. Like you could say "Why should I feel sorry for child workers/sweatshop laborers/migrant workers, they wanted to do it?" Typically there's coercion, deception, or desperation involved.
I remember reading about this one woman, she was in a film where the theme was facial abuse, and the idea was basically really rough face-fucking, slapping, being spat on, at times hitting. Obviously she had signed up for this, but part of the way through the film a man grabs her, forces open her mouth, and then extremely roughly fucks her until she vomits while holding her in place while she squirms because it's hurting her. This was clearly forced, and when asked about it later she said that she doesn't talk about it other than to say that it the worst thing she'd experienced in her career. She was raped, plain and simple, but because her name was on a contract for her to do that, for money to be in that shoot, then there wasn't anything she could do about it. Go to the law? She's a pornstar, it's her job to have sex, she signed her name to do it, she got paid. No one would give much thought to her claim, because frankly porn actresses are thought of as pretty low- no one would take her seriously. There is no regulation, that sort of thing happens. No sanction on the company, no sanction of the guy who did it. Hell, the video probably made them more money, and there wouldn't be anything she could do. This is the sort of thing that shows just how seedy the industry can be.
[QUOTE=Covalent;47846070]If they get paid to get fucked, then how are they exploited? They signed up for it.
It's not like if you refuse to do a set you'll be hunted down and shot, or something.
Anyone who thinks selling their body will get them high in the star industry is a goof[/QUOTE]
You won't be hunted down or shot, but you'll be humiliated, emotionally abused, called a slut, trash, whore, stupid, and basically treated like shit and pressured into doing it because the producers will convince you through emotional manipulation that it's your only avenue to success. And these girls are young, inexperienced, naive, and very susceptible to this sort of manipulation.
That doesn't happen when you're a server at a restaurant or something.
look at that scum bag trying to look like a boss while smoking a $2 black&mild
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47846183']Then there's drugs and such, and you're looking at situations where women get hooked on expensive addictions while in the industry and have no other way to pay for it, or no other means to make a living (perhaps due to lack of skill or their background, perhaps because of the stigma of porn acting).[/QUOTE]If they hadn't tried the drugs in the first place they wouldn't be addicted.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47846183']I mean, you can still have empathy for someone who is tricked or makes a dumb decision. Like you could say "Why should I feel sorry for child workers/sweatshop laborers/migrant workers, they wanted to do it?" Typically there's coercion, deception, or desperation involved.[/QUOTE]Don't compare consenting adults to child workers. Otherwise, it's totally fair game - you signed up to do something, so deal with it or quit. They aren't being held against their will.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47846183']I remember reading about this one woman, she was in a film where the theme was facial abuse, and the idea was basically really rough face-fucking, slapping, being spat on, at times hitting. Obviously she had signed up for this, but part of the way through the film a man grabs her, forces open her mouth, and then extremely roughly fucks her until she vomits while holding her in place while she squirms because it's hurting her. This was clearly forced, and when asked about it later she said that she doesn't talk about it other than to say that it the worst thing she'd experienced in her career. She was raped, plain and simple, but because her name was on a contract for her to do that, for money to be in that shoot, then there wasn't anything she could do about it. Go to the law? She's a pornstar, it's her job to have sex, she signed her name to do it, she got paid. No one would give much thought to her claim, because frankly porn actresses are thought of as pretty low- no one would take her seriously. There is no regulation, that sort of thing happens. No sanction on the company, no sanction of the guy who did it. Hell, the video probably made them more money, and there wouldn't be anything she could do. This is the sort of thing that shows just how seedy the industry can be.[/QUOTE]Let me get this straight - she signed a contract saying it's okay for them to do it, and when they do, it's suddenly rape? That makes no sense.
You'd have a different opinion if it was a relative, ie a sister / daughter / close friend.
[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846293]If they hadn't tried the drugs in the first place they wouldn't be addicted.
Don't compare consenting adults to child workers. Otherwise, it's totally fair game - you signed up to do something, so deal with it or quit. They aren't being held against their will.
Let me get this straight - she signed a contract saying it's okay for them to do it, and when they do, it's suddenly rape? That makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
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Dam,what a pity.She must been bitching she self from that day.
[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846293]Let me get this straight - she signed a contract saying it's okay for them to do it, and when they do, it's suddenly rape? That makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
most countries would consider forcing your dick down someone's throat while they squirm in pain to be rape, yeah. i mean if she could talk as it was happening, knowing what she said about her experience afterwards, do you think she would have willingly kept going? if legal consequences have to happen then have a fine or something, most courts would probably agree that a signed contract isn't worth raping someone over.
Thank you young women of the world for doing this as I love porn.
[QUOTE=Poulet Breiz;47846342]You'd have a different opinion if it was a relative, ie a sister / daughter / close friend.[/QUOTE]
Is that a valid argument though? I see it everytime in threads about the death penalty. Emotional thinking doesn't necessarily result in reasonable outcomes.
[QUOTE=Bumbanut;47846293]If they hadn't tried the drugs in the first place they wouldn't be addicted.
Don't compare consenting adults to child workers. Otherwise, it's totally fair game - you signed up to do something, so deal with it or quit. They aren't being held against their will.
Let me get this straight - she signed a contract saying it's okay for them to do it, and when they do, it's suddenly rape? That makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
If she's squirming in pain and throwing up, it's time to stop filming and make sure your actor is ok. If she's not, then give her time to recover. Not continue filming like everything is fine.
The treatment of her clearly shows that they only see her as something to be used to make money, and not as a person. If they saw her as a person, they would want to make sure that all the abuse wasn't harming her, mentally or physically.
You can't sign a contract to legally murder someone, but apparently it's totally fine to sign one to legally rape someone, according to your logic.
Sometimes I feel like that men in BDSM femdom pornos have much better quality of life. Sure they're getting big phallic objects shoved in their assholes and their genitals are being tied up and sometimes shocked, but I've seen quite a few "behind the scenes" things for those types of videos and the guy always seems to have a really good sexual relationship with the girl. It's weird. In all of those kinds of videos the instant a safeword is mentioned filming stops until the person is ready again.
You'd think it'd be the other way around honestly.
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