Line of Defense is about as awful as it could be with Derek Smart in charge (English subs) - General

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7n29gEV18w[/media] This game is coming from the guy who slammed Star Citizen and turned around and tried to make his own version of it. :goodjob: Also [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIn1_9YvGds[/media]

[QUOTE=Banned?;48427231]This game is coming from the guy who slammed Star Citizen and turned around and tried to make his own version of it. :goodjob:[/QUOTE] Actually, in 2012, [URL="http://www.flesheatingzipper.com/gaming/2012/06/e3-2012-derek-smart-isnt-afraid-of-planetside-2-with-line-of-defense/"]he was slagging off the Planetside 2 devs[/URL] and bragging about how he'd sink SOE. Boy, I sure remember when Line of Defense MMO (supposed to have been released in 2012, prior to Star Citizen even being announced) obliterated PS2 in terms of player cou--[B][URL="http://steamcharts.com/app/266620"]oh[/URL][/B]. Choice quote: "We'll be making money in month two, [Sony] will be crying in month six." -Derek Smart [URL="https://archive.is/Byh0G"]And after Gamescom, he's SO MAD about SC.[/URL] Also, he censored his post, as it originally included the following "choice descriptors": [QUOTE]Chris, in your case however, I made the exception because you’re a [B]lying, fraudulent, egotistical, asshole[/B] who doesn’t care about the people around you, despite the public face you portray to the gullible cult fools who lap up your lies, hypocrisy and deceit. If you cared one bit about the lives you’re about to disrupt, the families you’re about to uproot, when this project fails – as most of us suspect that it will – you would make better choices.[/QUOTE] "you would make better choices" :v: Like not banning anyone who criticizes his game in his own Steam forum (which also permabans you from his game since it uses Steam auth) and causing Steam moderators to reverse some of his bans and host threads discussing LoD in which he wouldn't be able to get away with silencing criticism.

[QUOTE=Banned?;48427231] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIn1_9YvGds[/media][/QUOTE] good god the nostalgia

I didn't realize it was quite that bad. Just based on that video, how can anyone think this is good, let alone better than SC? [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48427331]Actually, in 2012, [URL="http://www.flesheatingzipper.com/gaming/2012/06/e3-2012-derek-smart-isnt-afraid-of-planetside-2-with-line-of-defense/"]he was slagging off the Planetside 2 devs[/URL] and bragging about how he'd sink SOE. Boy, I sure remember when Line of Defense MMO (supposed to have been released in 2012, prior to Star Citizen even being announced) obliterated PS2 in terms of player cou--[B][URL="http://steamcharts.com/app/266620"]oh[/URL][/B]. Choice quote: "We'll be making money in month two, [Sony] will be crying in month six." -Derek Smart [URL="https://archive.is/Byh0G"]And after Gamescom, he's SO MAD about SC.[/URL] Also, he censored his post, as it originally included the following "choice descriptors": "you would make better choices" :v: Like not banning anyone who criticizes his game in his own Steam forum (which also permabans you from his game since it uses Steam auth) and causing Steam moderators to reverse some of his bans and host threads discussing LoD in which he wouldn't be able to get away with silencing criticism.[/QUOTE] Somehow he thinks the full working gameplay demo showing off significant features of the game [I]supports what he's said[/I]? He said it wasn't possible, they released a real-time working gameplay demo which shows otherwise and demonstrates what the final gameplay will be like, so now he's trying to say that demo didn't really matter and doesn't show anything impressive, and says the social module/planetside gameplay (which will be part of the basis for the persistent universe) that was shown is another bad thing. Wow. It's like saying "If we ignore this game that's been shown off here, there's still no game"

He's a narcissist and a pathological liar and he believes he's an indie god-hero. He published his first "game" during the Wing Commander era when Chris worked at Origin. During the DS controversy, Wingman swung by the forums to mention that, when he and Chris worked at Origin together, they'd get nasty letters from DS claiming they stole his ideas for Wing Commander 3. His own game, BC3K, was forced into release by his publisher, Take 2, after seven years of frequent delays and repeated (empty) promises of just a bit more time (and money) to polish things. The [B]installer[/B] would crash, leaving many buyers with a game they couldn't even install. They were the lucky ones, because the game itself was just as unstable and buggy, and the controls arcane even for 90s sims. DS then assaulted a Coke machine and spent years "fixing" his buggy shitmess so that, two years later, you had a good chance of, you know, installing and running it on the first try. 1.0 also looked like this in atmospheric flight, in 1996: [video=youtube;PNdfdLHSNNA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNdfdLHSNNA[/video] Then he proceeded to re-release the game with improvements several more times, and [I]six[/I] expansions were cancelled. After the Gamescom demo was over, DS tweeted this at CR and the SC account: [QUOTE]congrats. you've demo'ed every feature I've done since 1996. 8m km space size? Yeah, postage stamp in mine [/QUOTE] [sp]LoD: MMO's maps are -nowhere near- a million kilometers, the rest of the claim is laughable, and never mind that SC's maps are 8 **BILLION** km, DS doesn't know how to math. Explains a lot[/sp] If he didn't have a sourced quote on his Wikipedia page saying he goes and deliberately trolls on the Internet for fun, I'd feel bad for making fun of him the way I'd feel bad for making fun of someone and then discovering they had Downs. The only thing positive I can say about DS is that he does a lot of the work in his games by himself; he's not a one-man indie studio, but he's more than just the ideas guy/anti-PR. His games may not be very good, and he may not be a very good developer, but nobody can say he hasn't put in the effort, and I have to respect that. Lately, however, he seems to be putting more effort into trolling and censoring criticism in his game's Steam forum. If he put all that effort into making the game LoD might actually be out now (if anyone actually cared).

Hundreds of euros for a XBLA tier prototype of a game? Do more than zero people seriously support this?

[URL="http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3639730&pagenumber=775&perpage=40#post447660487"]I have to share this piece of gold.[/URL] Click through to see proof that DS doesn't even understand Star Citizen's development and would utterly ruin the project if he was somehow given control today, but I'll leave this here. [QUOTE=trolling Goon pretending to take Derek seriously]If given $100 million, could you deliver a better Space Sim than the Star Citizen you believe will eventually release?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dr. Shitlord, PhD]Probably not. I would deliver the exact game, for about $25m. I'm cheap, and experienced like that. Case in point, Line Of Defense cost me less than $15m [B]and contains every single feature they're trying to build[/B][/QUOTE] :quotes:

I think Derek is off his meds again.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48435728][URL="http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3639730&pagenumber=775&perpage=40#post447660487"]I have to share this piece of gold.[/URL] Click through to see proof that DS doesn't even understand Star Citizen's development and would utterly ruin the project if he was somehow given control today, but I'll leave this here. [quote]Probably not. I would deliver the exact game, for about $25m. I'm cheap, and experienced like that. Case in point, Line Of Defense cost me less than $15m and contains every single feature they're trying to build[/quote][/QUOTE] What? That seems like he's saying that for $25m he would be able to develop what Star Citizen is going to be, even though he's saying it isn't possible for them to do. Have i misunderstood that or is that what he's saying there? He really has no idea what's talking about, he seems to think the FPS gameplay isn't important and that it's more of just a side-thing they're adding in because they can. E.g. he says he'd do this: [quote]re-evaluate how Star Marine fits into the larger Star Citizen PU world, and work it from there.[/quote] If you pay some basic attention to what Star Citizen is going to be, you'd clearly see that the FPS gameplay is a very important part of the game, just as important as the Ships are. Without Star Marine there is no boarding, ground combat, combat on ships or stations, EVA etc. He's even said a few times that feature have been cut. As far as i know, nothing at all has been cut from the game, so i have no idea where he's got that from.

[QUOTE=nightlord;48436143]What? That seems like he's saying that for $25m he would be able to develop what Star Citizen is going to be, even though he's saying it isn't possible for them to do. Have i misunderstood that or is that what he's saying there?[/QUOTE] I think he's just trying to say CIG are shit at managing finances. But yeah, he also said previously they couldn't do it because he couldn't. That man ain't right.

[QUOTE=nightlord;48436143]What? That seems like he's saying that for $25m he would be able to develop what Star Citizen is going to be, even though he's saying it isn't possible for them to do. Have i misunderstood that or is that what he's saying there? He really has no idea what's talking about, he seems to think the FPS gameplay isn't important and that it's more of just a side-thing they're adding in because they can. E.g. he says he'd do this: If you pay some basic attention to what Star Citizen is going to be, you'd clearly see that the FPS gameplay is a very important part of the game, just as important as the Ships are. Without Star Marine there is no boarding, ground combat, combat on ships or stations, EVA etc. He's even said a few times that feature have been cut. As far as i know, nothing at all has been cut from the game, so i have no idea where he's got that from.[/QUOTE] In fairness to "Dr." DS, several of the usual shitty suspects in the gaming press wrote that Star Marine was "delayed indefinitely", which is gaming industry PR for "cancelled", because CIG refused to commit to a firm release date on the module. The reason CIG refuses to give a deadline is not because the project is floundering in feature creep and drowning, but because every time they've set themselves a deadline and then ordinary development delays cause them to slip (and with no publisher pressuring them to shit out whatever they have in order to meet the date carved in stone on advertising), the forums rip their heads off. He did not come up with "I've heard Star Marine is cancelled" on his own, he just latched onto it and let confirmation bias do the rest. And, if you read, it's really obvious that he doesn't know what he's talking about because he's saying he would halt development on Arena Commander and focus on shipping the rest of the game. Reminder: Arena Commander is the testbench for [B]everything[/B] space during development. He thinks the individual modules are intended to be completely modular and separate compartments because he doesn't care about SC or understand anything about it. He has a track record of making false and entirely misinformed assertions about SC. He also projects harder than an IMAX. DS was a backer (before CIG forcibly refunded him so he couldn't start a groundless lawsuit that'd cause them to waste backer money on lawyer time), but never once played or even [I]downloaded[/I] the game, according to CR. All he cares about is promoting himself and his games. He's also deeply butthurt that Star Citizen is going to do what he's spent 20+ years failing to deliver, and he's accused Chris Roberts of doing everything short of killing his dog with zero evidence. There were a few people on SA who didn't know who he was and legitimately thought he'd be able to do something to hurt/fix the Star Citizen project... they were strongly disillusioned as two weeks later all DS had done is publish lots of long masturbatory rants about how his game is the real deal and SC is going to go bankrupt. :v:

Updated! Now with aircraft! [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igWmNnO8GHo[/url] Sadly, it seems that after his criticism of others locking video comments, he has locked video comments. :v:

I lost my sanity around the 8 minute mark. I didn't know Derek Smart was going for the people who liked game corruptions.

The scariest part is although terrible, he clearly has put effort and money in.

[QUOTE=matt000024;49710264]The scariest part is although terrible, he clearly has put effort and money in.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://imgur.com/a/mRK1O"]He appears to have had problems with paying at least one contractor in his career,[/URL] so there may not be as much money involved as it seems. The reason those are screenshots of an Internet Archive page is because DS had the actual IA page of the original removed and the URL excluded. There's also [URL="https://archive.is/MU2lq"]an archive.is of the imgur screenshots.[/URL]

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49710527][URL="https://imgur.com/a/mRK1O"]He appears to have had problems with paying at least one contractor in his career,[/URL] so there may not be as much money involved as it seems. The reason those are screenshots of an Internet Archive page is because DS had the actual IA page of the original removed and the URL excluded. There's also [URL="https://archive.is/MU2lq"]an archive.is of the imgur screenshots.[/URL][/QUOTE] One look at his steam forums is all one needs to see that he does not receive criticism well, if at all. [B]UPDATE[/B] Derek smart initiated a Free to Play weekend, only for the overabundance of ten players to overload the servers. He ha since deactivated the servers entirely, and blamed Star Citizen players for the issue that has prevented both free-to-play and paying customers from playing the game.