The prospect of wild animals having and knowing how to use matches frightens me
Holy shit
it begins
Co-existence or genocide are our only choices now.
They have surpassed us
This really makes you stop and think that at some point there could be another species on earth that is an equal to humans in intelligence.
Not put in the video:
Hundreds of hours teaching it to do that
Then again, it takes dozens of hours to train a kid to not shit in their diaper, and instead use a toilet
So.. I'm not sure where I was going
[QUOTE=Chocolate.;44580037]Co-existence or genocide are our only choices now.
They have surpassed us[/QUOTE]
These Bonobos are actually very peaceful, as opposed to chimps.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnFvZwR69iw[/media]
[QUOTE=Covalency;44580095]Not put in the video:
Hundreds of hours teaching it to do that
Then again, it takes dozens of hours to train a kid to not shit in their diaper, and instead use a toilet
So.. I'm not sure where I was going[/QUOTE]
Uh dude, being able to even teach another animal the concept of fire is proof of their genius, it shows they CAN learn.
There's a difference between using intuition to discover fire than being taught to do it, elephants for example can be taught to paint but they really don't know what they are doing or able to express ideas with it.
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;44580138]There's a difference between using intuition to discover fire than being taught to do it, elephants for example can be taught to paint but they really don't know what they are doing or able to express ideas with it.[/QUOTE]
Chimps have been shown to use sticks as tools already, fire is just another tool, though Bonobo's are far smarter than Chimpanzees
Crows also use tools, but they don't know how to make fire
Being taught how to do something is how a species progresses. No one is born knowing how to make fire. The difference here is we learned through time and observation, and this animal was taught. Possibly artificially accelerating their understanding of the world, even. Who knows. Highly doubt it, though
[QUOTE=TheTalon;44580302]Crows don't know how to make fire[/QUOTE]
Thankfully
His face when he first lights the match and puts it to the kindling is creepy. He looks like he's deriving pyromaniac pleasure from it.
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;44580365]His face when he first lights the match and puts it to the kindling is creepy. He looks like he's deriving pyromaniac pleasure from it.[/QUOTE]
I like the look he gives when he takes a bite, he knows it's hot from the fire.
how could we evolve from an animal that burns their toasted marshmallows?
check mate atheists
For the people saying the bonobo was taught, you're probably right. However, that doesn't make this any less interesting and groundbreaking.
While it's not quite as mind-blowing as a bonobo figuring out fire all on its own, the fact that it can even comprehend on any level what fire is, what it does and how to start/tend to it is goddamned amazing. Most other animals either ignore fire or treat it as an alien force of nature, doing their best to stay away and run if it spreads. Even if it's a taught behavior, the bonobo at least appears to understand it on a non-parroting level, knowing not to touch the fire and that the food cooked by it is too hot to comfortably ingest at first.
This very basic understanding of one of the most powerful and important natural forces on Earth is staggering to see in an animal like this. Granted, he probably won't be inventing language or culture anytime soon, but the fact that fire clearly means something more than "painful/deadly" or "avoid at all costs" to him is a massive leap ahead of most other animals. He seems to be able to perceive it as a tool, just like rocks or sticks, rather than an incomprehensible natural event that will always kill him like other, less-intelligent animals.
Besides, we almost certainly didn't know how to make fire when we first became sapient/sentient, and even when born nowadays we need to be taught. The idea that the bonobo was taught to do this only means that he didn't figure it all out on his own, which considering the potential danger of fire is probably a good thing. While teaching animals to just repeat motions in the manner of painting elephants is pretty crappy and fraudulent, I don't think that's the case here, since the bonobo seems to understand just fine how fire works and why it's a useful tool.
Then again, I'm no scientist, so this very well could be moot due to the bonobo just going through trained motions. I hope to god that it's not, though, since the idea of humanity teaching its far-flung cousins how to take the first steps to sentience is amazing.
[QUOTE=Covalency;44580095]Not put in the video:
Hundreds of hours teaching it to do that
Then again, it takes dozens of hours to train a kid to not shit in their diaper, and instead use a toilet
So.. I'm not sure where I was going[/QUOTE]
are you trying to say humans don't need to be taught how to make fire
[QUOTE=TurboSax;44580536]For the people saying the bonobo was taught, you're probably right. However, that doesn't make this any less interesting and groundbreaking.
While it's not quite as mind-blowing as a bonobo figuring out fire all on its own, the fact that it can even comprehend on any level what fire is, what it does and how to start/tend to it is goddamned amazing. Most other animals either ignore fire or treat it as an alien force of nature, doing their best to stay away and run if it spreads. Even if it's a taught behavior, the bonobo at least appears to understand it on a non-parroting level, knowing not to touch the fire and that the food cooked by it is too hot to comfortably ingest at first.
This very basic understanding of one of the most powerful and important natural forces on Earth is staggering to see in an animal like this. Granted, he probably won't be inventing language or culture anytime soon, but the fact that fire clearly means something more than "painful/deadly" or "avoid at all costs" to him is a massive leap ahead of most other animals. He seems to be able to perceive it as a tool, just like rocks or sticks, rather than an incomprehensible natural event that will always kill him like other, less-intelligent animals.
Besides, we almost certainly didn't know how to make fire when we first became sapient/sentient, and even when born nowadays we need to be taught. The idea that the bonobo was taught to do this only means that he didn't figure it all out on his own, which considering the potential danger of fire is probably a good thing. While teaching animals to just repeat motions in the manner of painting elephants is pretty crappy and fraudulent, I don't think that's the case here, since the bonobo seems to understand just fine how fire works and why it's a useful tool.
Then again, I'm no scientist, so this very well could be moot due to the bonobo just going through trained motions. I hope to god that it's not, though, since the idea of humanity teaching its far-flung cousins how to take the first steps to sentience is amazing.[/QUOTE]
My word man, couldn't have said it any better.
You can see in the Bonobo's eyes it's intelligent and not only that they're are the most empathetic and gentle of the apes. They're kind of like the reverse of chimpanzees which are known to solve most of their problems with violence. Bonobo's, Chimps and Humans share 98% of their DNA together, its kind of cool two see how much we are like both of them and how different they're from eachother.
would be chill as fuck to roast marshmallows with a monkey
take a selfie with a monkey
"Yo this is my monkey bro, we're roasting marshmellows
[url=http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=GQcN7lHSD5Y&video_start=0&audio=3rzDXNQxjHs&audio_start=15]I put this to some more fitting music.[/url]
I've known about this stuff since like 2009.
[QUOTE=Covalency;44580095]Not put in the video:
Hundreds of hours teaching it to do that
Then again, it takes dozens of hours to train a kid to not shit in their diaper, and instead use a toilet
So.. I'm not sure where I was going[/QUOTE]
He did actually learn it on his own (his name's Kanzi and he can do a whole lot of other cool stuff too, look him up).
[video=youtube;QBlDGX95eys]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBlDGX95eys[/video]
[quote]The curious bonobo first learned to use fire by lighting matches, which the Mail's David Derbyshire described as "eerie," and "remarkably human."
Adding to his short order cook resume, Kanzi also understands 3,000 spoken words and can "say" close to 500 words by pointing to symbols known as lexigrams[/quote]
[QUOTE=amorax;44580711]I've known about this stuff since like 2009.
[/QUOTE]
stunning
[QUOTE=Last or First;44580650][url=http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=GQcN7lHSD5Y&video_start=0&audio=3rzDXNQxjHs&audio_start=15]I put this to some more fitting music.[/url][/QUOTE]
actually goes perfectly
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;44580724]stunning[/QUOTE]
There was a dog who could talk all the way back in 1930 as well.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-hartzman/a-touch-of-knowledge-don-_b_1002799.html[/url]
[QUOTE=amorax;44580831]There was a dog who could talk all the way back in 1930 as well.
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marc-hartzman/a-touch-of-knowledge-don-_b_1002799.html[/url][/QUOTE]
I was being sarcastic because nobody cares if you've seen it before us
Uhh
[QUOTE]While showmen and the general public were enamored with Don, psychologist Oskar Pfungst was not. In 1912, having debunked an educated horse called Clever Hans several years earlier, Pfungst took it upon himself to explain Don's garrulous nature. He visited Don and recorded his "speech" on a phonograph. He concluded that the dog merely responded to questions with noises the way any dog might, but through the power of suggestion, listeners heard what they were expecting to hear. A similar experience occurred in more recent years with a dog crooning "I love you" on a David Letterman Stupid Pet Tricks segment. And on YouTube, more than 8,000 videos can be found on dogs allegedly professing their love.[/QUOTE]
did you even read this article
lmfao
When apes grasp the concept of grammar and language I will throw my hat off to them, until then they are still inferior.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;44580877]When apes grasp the concept of grammar and language I will throw my hat off to them, until then they are still inferior.[/QUOTE]
Well they don't have the same vocal chords as us so that's going to be near impossible, however we can talk to them through sign language.
bonobos are awesome, a whole society based on chilling, eating, and sex
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;44580839]I was being sarcastic because nobody cares if you've seen it before us[/QUOTE]
I don't care if you don't care. I was simply expressing my exasperation at how slow FP (and the general public) is when it comes to this kind of thing, plus I got an excuse to post the article about Don the talking dog.
[QUOTE]did you even read this article
lmfao[/QUOTE]
It's not the only article and the psychologist's conclusion is only his interpretation, not undeniable truth. Most everyone else who listened to Don believed he could talk, and given all the other stuff there is with regards to animals and speech (see Alex and Einstein the talking parrots, [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Z0xn4pYSY"]this video[/URL] and Kanzi) I see no reason to doubt Don was capable of speech, even if it was much simpler than the average mans.
[editline]18th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;44580896]Well they don't have the same vocal chords as us so that's going to be near impossible, however we can talk to them through sign language.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;y4Z0xn4pYSY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Z0xn4pYSY[/video]
Turn, don't burn.
Noob ass primate.
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