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Jim Sterling refuses to give Youtube the satisfaction of catching him for copyright infringement, so enjoy this 100% copyright-free sneak peek at Half-Life 3!
Totally legit.
And then it gets flagged anyway.
[QUOTE=Jackald;43158923]Just don't monetize it, lol.
If you're gonna do a let's play, do it because you love to do let's plays, not because you want to earn dosh. None of my videos have been content matched because i don't monetize anything that isn't my own stuff.[/QUOTE]
What about game reviewers who do it as a job, and get flagged anyway? Or people who have worked hard to become famous enough to sustain themselves off their video revenue? Should they just return to a "proper" job and scratch all the youtube nonsense?
[QUOTE=Jackald;43158923]Just don't monetize it, lol.
If you're gonna do a let's play, do it because you love to do let's plays, not because you want to earn dosh.[/QUOTE]
Why not both? Why can people turn other hobbies into jobs but not lets plays?
[QUOTE=Jackald;43158952]Then they should be covered under fair use (critiquing and/or parodying the content)[/QUOTE]
Yes, except the content ID system doesn't give a flying fuck about that, and Youtube is not responding to anyone. Why do you think people are in an uproar?
Exactly, if there was a process to fix it, then there probably wouldn't be as much of an uproar. But there is no concrete process ebcause the robot doesn't give a shit about copyright law and fair use, and Youtube is playing the quiet game.
[QUOTE=Jackald;43158923]Just don't monetize it, lol.
If you're gonna do a let's play, do it because you love to do let's plays, not because you want to earn dosh. None of my videos have been content matched because i don't monetize anything that isn't my own stuff.[/QUOTE]
You're acting as if every single LPer chooses to monetize on their videos to gain a little extra money, which is obviously not always the case
Finally some gameplay!
but Valve allows people to monetise their games on youtube
[QUOTE=tirpider;43159103]Some folks sell stolen goods out of the trunk of their car and call that a job as well.
Just saying that every career path has legal concerns.[/QUOTE]
So reviewing videogames or playing them with commentary is comparable to selling stolen goods out of the trunk of your car. That is good to know.
These aren't even -legal- concerns. This is just certain groups enforcing bullshit with the power of money coupled with a lack of care and competence on part of Youtube's staff.
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[QUOTE=HazzaHardie;43159231]but Valve allows people to monetise their games on youtube[/QUOTE]
Most of the publishers have expressed on Twitter that they aren't flagging the videos, and do not want them flagged. Youtube's system is just flagging everything now based on matching audio or visuals.
[QUOTE=HazzaHardie;43159231]but Valve allows people to monetise their games on youtube[/QUOTE]
It isn't up to the devs, youtube does it automatically whether or not a copyright claim has been filled.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;43159320]Maybe it might be a good idea to clear it up with the copyright holder beforehand. Y'know, what's done with basically every other medium?[/QUOTE]
Congratulations, now you know why everybody hates Youtube right now.
Well here's a car analogy for monetizing gameplay videos
Car manufacturers dont sue or claim taxi companies to get rid of all their vehicles, even though the taxi company are using their cars for monetary gain.
When doing letsplays, you are making money by using something someone has made but with games it is apparently unacceptable.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;43159353]Well here's a car analogy for monetizing gameplay videos
Car manufacturers dont sue or claim taxi companies to get rid of all their vehicles, even though the taxi company are using their cars for monetary gain.
When doing letsplays, you are making money by using something someone has made but with games it is apparently unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
Neither do they file copyright claims when Top Gear calls their car a sluggish piece of crap.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;43158922]And then it gets flagged anyway.[/QUOTE]
Nickelodeon flags him for use of their logo.
[QUOTE=Jackald;43158952]Then they should be covered under fair use (critiquing and/or parodying the content)[/QUOTE]
Fair use doesn't apply to anything making $$$
Why don't we just boycott Youtube. Going to shit anyway, there just isn't a decent alternative.
[QUOTE=Jackald;43158923]Just don't monetize it, lol.
If you're gonna do a let's play, do it because you love to do let's plays, not because you want to earn dosh. None of my videos have been content matched because i don't monetize anything that isn't my own stuff.[/QUOTE]
The only ones that can make some decent money off of it have to sink a lot of time and money into Let's Plays and reviews to keep them coming at a steady rate with high quality sound and video equipment. I don't care if you don't like big YouTube personality X, chances are they are so big because they keep one or multiple series coming consistently and at a technology level above the average.
Someone who chooses to invest so many resources into a hobby that it's becoming their job are likely to be passionate about it. It's not exactly the type of job you do for the sick cash. But they can't continue doing what they're doing if they run out of resources.
This is about these people's livelihoods being endangered, not about Steve not seeing his 1c he earned over the course of 6 months by occasionally coughing into a headset. This isn't even about Steve uploading an entire movie and getting pissy he can't make money off of it.
This is about reviews not being covered by Fair Use and stuff like TB's Garry's Incident video which got quickly removed by the devs because they didn't like the negative publicity. He was in the lucky position of having enough subs and connection to take on the system and get the video restored, but many smaller channels were treated just as unfairly but had without realistic chances of getting YouTube's attention. This is about blanket copyright strikes generated by a algorithm so fishy it may claim videos in the name of copyright holders that are completely unrelated to your content (and reportedly in some cases even out of business by now).
This is about publishers like Blizzard, UbiSoft, Deep Silver, Capcom running PR wires hot because unauthorized copyright strikes in their name are setting their fanbases and free sources of promotional material on fire. This is about worldwide legal systems lagging behind when it comes to technology in general and the interactive entertainment sector especially (since unlike with movies or music, you always actively contribute to the gaming experience yourself, and thus also to any footage you might decide to capture and share), which creates dubious grey zones where consumers and small content creators have to cling to muddy Fair Use sections while corporations are largely free to impose their own rules in the absence of any official ruling to fill that void.
Games aren't some cute little nerd thing anymore. The internet or YouTube aren't cute little nerd things anymore. You can keep pretending everything is the same as 10 years ago, but for a ton of people out there games are as srs bsns as any other branch of the entertainment industry that, even if it just gets a few chuckles out of you, goes much deeper than the final product.
/rant
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;43160050]The only ones that can make some decent money off of it have to sink a lot of time and money into Let's Plays and reviews to keep them coming at a steady rate with high quality sound and video equipment. I don't care if you don't like big YouTube personality X, chances are they are so big because they keep one or multiple series coming consistently and at a technology level above the average.
Someone who chooses to invest so many resources into a hobby that it's becoming their job are likely to be passionate about it. It's not exactly the type of job you do for the sick cash. But they can't continue doing what they're doing if they run out of resources.
This is about these people's livelihoods being endangered, not about Steve not seeing his 1c he earned over the course of 6 months by occasionally coughing into a headset. This isn't even about Steve uploading an entire movie and getting pissy he can't make money off of it.
This is about reviews not being covered by Fair Use and stuff like TB's Garry's Incident video which got quickly removed by the devs because they didn't like the negative publicity. He was in the lucky position of having enough subs and connection to take on the system and get the video restored, but many smaller channels were treated just as unfairly but had without realistic chances of getting YouTube's attention. This is about blanket copyright strikes generated by a algorithm so fishy it may claim videos in the name of copyright holders that are completely unrelated to your content (and reportedly in some cases even out of business by now).
This is about publishers like Blizzard, UbiSoft, Deep Silver, Capcom running PR wires hot because unauthorized copyright strikes in their name are setting their fanbases and free sources of promotional material on fire. This is about worldwide legal systems lagging behind when it comes to technology in general and the interactive entertainment sector especially (since unlike with movies or music, you always actively contribute to the gaming experience yourself, and thus also to any footage you might decide to capture and share), which creates dubious grey zones where consumers and small content creators have to cling to muddy Fair Use sections while corporations are largely free to impose their own rules in the absence of any official ruling to fill that void.
Games aren't some cute little nerd thing anymore. The internet or YouTube aren't cute little nerd things anymore. You can keep pretending everything is the same as 10 years ago, but for a ton of people out there games are as srs bsns as any other branch of the entertainment industry that, even if it just gets a few chuckles out of you, goes much deeper than the final product.
/rant[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Jackald;43158952]Then they should be covered under fair use (critiquing and/or parodying the content)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Swilly;43161769]But they won't get flagged because most the content is theirs, at least in the case of Angry Joe. [/QUOTE]
Did you miss Angry Joe's latest rant? He had 63 videos flagged and almost all of them were reviews with over a million views. The system clearly doesn't account for fair use.
[QUOTE=Agoat;43159621]Fair use doesn't apply to anything making $$$[/QUOTE]
Not true. See any parody in the history of Saturday Night Live, The Daily Show, or Conan. Also see any parody book like Bored of the Rings or Pride and Prejudice and Zombies.
[QUOTE=Swilly;43161769]But they won't get flagged because most the content is theirs, at least in the case of Angry Joe. Totalbiscuit on the other hand is completely screwed.[/QUOTE]
Nigga Angry Joe got his 63 most watched videos flagged.
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[QUOTE=Jackald;43158923]Just don't monetize it, lol.
If you're gonna do a let's play, do it because you love to do let's plays, not because you want to earn dosh. None of my videos have been content matched because i don't monetize anything that isn't my own stuff.[/QUOTE]
"don't make money off of something i don't think is a real job"
[QUOTE=Macneil_bmx;43159859]Why don't we just boycott Youtube. Going to shit anyway, there just isn't a decent alternative.[/QUOTE]
I bet that if there were to be an alternative to Youtube, Google will just buy said alternative with their deep pockets full of cash.
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