[video=youtube;2tqXNHTxyIg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tqXNHTxyIg[/video]
Part 2:
[video=youtube;D_Wuw5_y2Z0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Wuw5_y2Z0[/video]
Part 3 (Recent):
[video=youtube;ZEIzdLp5BX0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEIzdLp5BX0[/video]
Semi-known Youtuber Thunderf00t did leave that community days ago and as result has created a feud between 'skeptical' community (and even his right-wing leaning followers are torn about this too) over a dark joke that Sargon of Akkad said.
(And also noted why but recent on Part 3 because if he make another video on this again)
FYI according to my obsessed friend this is apparently all lies but I don't know in what ways or care about any of these guys or feel like watching like 3 hours of videos about both sides I just thought I'd drop that in here before anyone got involved (why would you want to) because preventing everyone from mobbing one way and getting embarrassed later is what a good community should do.
Horseshoe theroy is a bitch
shit like this is kinda why i dropped out of gamergate after its second anniversary. its just a bunch of people with a different dictionary throwing the same shit at the other side rather than the previous years where ethics and gaming were king.
Who the fuck does this guy think he's fooling?
oh of course it's thunderf00t
Wtf is the skeptical community? I google it but just got a bunch of stuff that promotes "critical thinking", which doesn't take a community to do, and then I saw a bunch of conspiracy/alien/etc type stuff. Very crtical.
[QUOTE=Socram;52274400]Wtf is the skeptical community? I google it but just got a bunch of stuff that promotes "critical thinking", which doesn't take a community to do, and then I saw a bunch of conspiracy/alien/etc type stuff. Very crtical.[/QUOTE]
When I think about the sceptic community, I think about James Randi. Chances are the sceptic community on Youtube is quite a bit different from him, though.
[QUOTE=Socram;52274400]Wtf is the skeptical community? I google it but just got a bunch of stuff that promotes "critical thinking", which doesn't take a community to do, and then I saw a bunch of conspiracy/alien/etc type stuff. Very crtical.[/QUOTE]
The skeptical community is a community of people who make extremely boring >20 minute videos on youtube
The skeptical community is a community of people who make videos about how feminists hate video games and want to steal your dick and something about SJWs.
[QUOTE=Wii60;52274236]Horseshoe theroy is a bitch
shit like this is kinda why i dropped out of gamergate after its second anniversary. its just a bunch of people with a different dictionary throwing the same shit at the other side rather than the previous years where ethics and gaming were king.[/QUOTE]
Horseshoe theory is pseudo-intellectual crap. Most extreme groups use similar tactics because there are only so many tactics available to use.
[QUOTE=Ixius;52274438]The skeptical community is a community of people who make videos about how feminists hate video games and want to steal your dick and something about SJWs.[/QUOTE]
Well, these people are a subtype of the skeptic community who are getting interested in right-wing politics-based.
[editline]25th May 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Socram;52274400]Wtf is the skeptical community? I google it but just got a bunch of stuff that promotes "critical thinking", which doesn't take a community to do, and then I saw a bunch of conspiracy/alien/etc type stuff. Very crtical.[/QUOTE]
Well, he isn't one those types.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;52274424]The skeptical community is a community of people who make extremely boring >20 minute videos on youtube[/QUOTE]
20 minutes where the argument normally can be boiled down to a basically "I'm right because I'm right" or "I'm right since SJWs are dumb". I don't think I've seen any of them properly use primary sources at all, and it normally would come around to bite them in the ass in any proper debate.
[QUOTE=Socram;52274400]Wtf is the skeptical community? I google it but just got a bunch of stuff that promotes "critical thinking", which doesn't take a community to do, and then I saw a bunch of conspiracy/alien/etc type stuff. Very crtical.[/QUOTE]
Internet Skeptics is the result of finding out that you can mold your tinfoil hat into a tophat and monocle. The Skeptical Community is the assembly of that. As you said, it doesn't take a community to promote critical thinking, that's just used as an affront to the hot sweaty musky circle jerking going on.
Of course there are genuine internet skeptics out there who don't bother with the facade since they are actually doing the real thing. I can't name one since I don't pay attention to any of that shit except for what gets posted on here and when people do I immediately forget their name like 2 days later, but they exist.
[QUOTE=Socram;52274400]Wtf is the skeptical community? I google it but just got a bunch of stuff that promotes "critical thinking", which doesn't take a community to do, and then I saw a bunch of conspiracy/alien/etc type stuff. Very crtical.[/QUOTE]
They're atheists that are anti-atheism+ (and by extension, anti-SJW) and feel the need to make themselves distinct because of it.
TBH I'm very disappointed it took him this long to realize what he'd gotten himself into. Then again while he may not all the time, he's still gotten very comfortable with clickbaiting so I guess he's not as much of an outcast as he'd like to think.
[QUOTE=Socram;52274400]Wtf is the skeptical community? I google it but just got a bunch of stuff that promotes "critical thinking", which doesn't take a community to do, and then I saw a bunch of conspiracy/alien/etc type stuff. Very crtical.[/QUOTE]
its basically a bunch of people who tend to question everything on youtube while being pesudo-intellectuals. alot of them tend to fall into bias land and as a result its more like a bias propaganda video rather than actual logic.
theres some good peeps but they are rare.
the common tropes in videos:
-They have a avatar on the screen for twenty minutes straight. the avatar tends to have a historical quality like knights, philosophers, paintings, etc. combined with them wearing a suit they found off google images or some meme shit. their name is something they thought up in the 6th grade that sounds really cool and intellectual.
-Excessive use of buzzwords. Expect alot of SJW/Feminism/Alt-Right/Etc. Words being thrown around for some reason.
-the video will always be a 20-30 minutes or more.
-use the phrase "the skeptic community"
-response videos everywhere
If these tropes are checkmarked, expect bad videos. even some peeps that i like are guilty of this.
for good actual skeptics, Captian Disillusion is a example of one because he debunks alot of videos and does skeptic convention visits. He is good at trimming the fat off his videos and are actually informative.
[QUOTE=Wii60;52274511]-They have a avatar on the screen for twenty minutes straight. the avatar tends to have a historical quality like knights, philosophers, paintings, etc. combined with them wearing a suit they found off google images or some meme shit. their name is something they thought up in the 6th grade that sounds really cool and intellectual.[/QUOTE]
Or they use pictures of apes.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52274459]Horseshoe theory is pseudo-intellectual crap. Most extreme groups use similar tactics because there are only so many tactics available to use.[/QUOTE]
Most extreme groups use similar tactics not because there's so little, it's because it's the most effective way of gathering people to your cause. That also just happens to be the most dishonest way of gathering people; telling people what they want to hear instead of telling people the truth.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52274459]Horseshoe theory is pseudo-intellectual crap. Most extreme groups use similar tactics because there are only so many tactics available to use.[/QUOTE]
You don't define movements in political science by their "tactics" you define them by their ideology, which is all-permeating and underlines everything, not just methodology. Hitler never actually achieved the full vision of national socialism in creating a national consciousness of suicidal loyalty to the state that transcended class boundaries, though he took measures to try attempt to create it. Far-left and far-right ideology share more in common with each other than they each do with the center. Its a valid point with ample historical evidence to support it.
[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;52274588]You don't define movements in political science by their "tactics" you define them by their ideology, which is all-permeating and underlines everything, not just methodology. Hitler never achieved the full vision of national socialism in creating a national consciousness of suicidal loyalty to the state that transcended class boundaries. Far-left and far-right ideology share more in common with each other than they each do with the center. Its a valid point with ample historical evidence to support it.[/QUOTE]
Far left and far right politics have some similarities, but they're entirely superficial and fall apart under any reasonable level of scrutiny. Horseshoe theory only works when your view of far left and right politics is rather shallow and uninformed.
It is true, however, that tactics really have nothing to do with the distinction between far left and right, they're defined by the initial assumptions they make about the world.
[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;52274588]You don't define movements in political science by their "tactics" you define them by their ideology, which is all-permeating and underlines everything, not just methodology. Hitler never actually achieved the full vision of national socialism in creating a national consciousness of suicidal loyalty to the state that transcended class boundaries, though he took measures to try attempt to create it. Far-left and far-right ideology share more in common with each other than they each do with the center. Its a valid point with ample historical evidence to support it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that's why horseshoe theory is crap. People refer to the tactics as opposed to the ideologies which are very rarely similar at all.
Your last statement is simply wrong. The far right and far left are totally opposite on the vast majority of issues. What's an example where the right and left are closer in ideology than the center is to either?
I'm sort of baffled, I'm watching thunderf00t and not completely disagreeing with him
Responses from Sargon for anyone interested
[video=youtube;ztNYc2SE9Ts]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztNYc2SE9Ts[/video]
[video=youtube;2z8Uw7PzTbQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z8Uw7PzTbQ[/video]
[QUOTE=sgman91;52274637]Yes, that's why horseshoe theory is crap. People refer to the tactics as opposed to the ideologies which are very rarely similar at all.
Your last statement is simply wrong. The far right and far left are totally opposite on the vast majority of issues. What's an example where the right and left are closer in ideology than the center is to either?[/QUOTE]
are we talking the right and the left in America or somewhere else?
cuz if in America they're both closer to the ideology of giving all your money to rich assholes
[QUOTE=elowin;52275210]are we talking the right and the left in America or somewhere else?
cuz if in America they're both closer to the ideology of giving all your money to rich assholes[/QUOTE]
That because here is no such thing as a left wing in USA.
You have the right wing and the not so right wing.
Also the "left-right" spectrum is pretty flawed,and a bad way to express one's ideology.
left and right wing identification is a rule of thumb. i can support the policy of killing all minorities in the name of a master race and still be considered left wing if most of my other policies are left wing.
a lot of people take advantage of that flaws and post political compass tests showing that "i'm actually a moderate/liberal!". funny enough sargon of akkad did this since most of his policies are left wing except the shit that deals with anything related to social constructs of our society such as feminism and immigration
most political compass tests don't take into consideration how much you give a shit about that policy. for example sargon of akkad would probably murder a feminist if he knew he wouldn't get caught, but it doesn't ask him how much he hates feminism, just that if he hates it so it's treated the same as a person saying "i just disagree with feminism"
bernie or bust movement is full of these types of people; the ones who only give a shit about one or two policies and are indifferent to the rest.
[QUOTE=sgman91;52274637]Yes, that's why horseshoe theory is crap. People refer to the tactics as opposed to the ideologies which are very rarely similar at all.
Your last statement is simply wrong. The far right and far left are totally opposite on the vast majority of issues. What's an example where the right and left are closer in ideology than the center is to either?[/QUOTE]
I'll give you three examples
There is a shared emphasis on the collective will and collective culture of the community, whether it be the "workers community" or the "nation", abhorring the individuality, materialism and escapist culture that liberal democracy encourages
Both socialism and national socialism concern the collective population transcending class divide either on grounds of wealth or on grounds of loyalty to the state respectively.
And finally both extreme ends of the political spectrum manifested authoritarianism because both the far-left and far-right present themselves as unquestionable truths, systems that do not allow dissent in order to function, this consequently led to rule by authoritarian government
[media]https://twitter.com/InnerPartisan/status/846595230451355649[/media]
this tweet still rings true to this day
[QUOTE=Camdude90;52275316][media]https://twitter.com/InnerPartisan/status/846595230451355649[/media]
this tweet still rings true to this day[/QUOTE]
the new persona 5 dlc is looking good
Man, I saw this title and I thought "finally, someone is going to put Descartes in his fucking place" like some actual philosophical debate and shit.
I got youtube drama instead
We live in a time where a whole bunch of teens are adopting their political beliefs based on anti-SJW culture rather than based on actual issues. That's why you see seemingly left leaning people call themselves rightwing, because in their mind SJW is something that has taken over society and they are apart of the rational resistance, or "skeptical community".
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