• Iraq War veteran relives his most intense firefight
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[url]https://vimeo.com/74015908[/url] Well-drawn figures I may add
Shows how intense combat can be even when using a CROWS system. Also whos idea is it to have ammo on the side of a IFV
Seriously why is the ammo on the outside?
[QUOTE=Wolverunder;47709230]Seriously why is the ammo on the outside?[/QUOTE] Probably to prevent uncontrollable internal fires? Not sure though
I honestly hope the guy isn't dealing with PTSD, etc. The putting it in a shoe box seems like it would do that..
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;47709582]I honestly hope the guy isn't dealing with PTSD, etc. The putting it in a shoe box seems like it would do that..[/QUOTE] Knowing that a lot of soldiers have incredibly strong mental fortitude, it makes it all the worse to see it break because you know the shit they saw or experienced is also incredibly terrifying
I'd have to speculate the ammo storage is on the outside due so that the inside of the IFV doesn't turn into a furnace if it takes a round and ammunition starts cooking off. Also to free up more space for crew and infantry inside. I was also under the impression that to reload the gun you had to be outside anyway since the magazine is attached to the fire arm outside the crew compartment and not inside. [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Kongsberg_Protector_RWS_on_M1126.jpg/1024px-Kongsberg_Protector_RWS_on_M1126.jpg[/t]
Strykers aren't really designed for sustained combat, I think if you're going through a box of rounds then you really are in the shit
[QUOTE=Wolverunder;47709230]Seriously why is the ammo on the outside?[/QUOTE] They didn't trust me to drive anything bigger than a Humvee - but, usually if you see "ammo crates" on the outside of a vehicle, they have been emptied and are used for general storage by the crew. No one would knowingly drive into a combat zone with ammo stored on the outside of their vehicle - but if you did and it got hit, it wouldn't be much different than getting hit with a regular HE round. Wouldn't do much but irritate you since they are only exploding next to your vehicle instead of hitting, penetrating THEN exploding.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;47709907]I'd have to speculate the ammo storage is on the outside due so that the inside of the IFV doesn't turn into a furnace if it takes a round and ammunition starts cooking off. Also to free up more space for crew and infantry inside. I was also under the impression that to reload the gun you had to be outside anyway since the magazine is attached to the fire arm outside the crew compartment and not inside. [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Kongsberg_Protector_RWS_on_M1126.jpg/1024px-Kongsberg_Protector_RWS_on_M1126.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Doesn't a round need pressure + a striking force to set it off though?
[QUOTE=Wolverunder;47715861]Doesn't a round need pressure + a striking force to set it off though?[/QUOTE] No, a round can cook off all sorts of ways, but without a round being in a chamber where all the force is directed in a specific direction, a round cooking off is almost harmless. Well, I don't know about a .50 and larger, but you can throw some .45 or 5.56 in a microwave, bake until it sets the bullet off, and it'll be hard pressed to even put a hole in the microwave, and even if it did it will more than likely be the casing that did it, not the bullet Now a bunch cooking off would be bad, but not because bullets would be flying all over the place, but because of fire and smoke
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;47710527]Strykers aren't really designed for sustained combat, I think if you're going through a box of rounds then you really are in the shit[/QUOTE] obviously this guy was in a combat situation and was really in the shit, so it's not as uncommon as you'd think.
the entire style of the video gives of a peace walker cutscene vibe.
This reminds me of Waltz with Bashir, the artstyle especially, but also how memory gets scrambled when shit really hits the fan. [IMG]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/12/26/movies/26bash.xlarge3.jpg[/IMG]
I remember being in jrotc in highschool and being excited to join the army in a couple years. Then I started seeing things like this in videos Then my friends started coming home in boxes. I'm not man enough to be a soldier, I simply couldn't function under shit like this.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;47727724]I remember being in jrotc in highschool and being excited to join the army in a couple years. Then I started seeing things like this in videos Then my friends started coming home in boxes. I'm not man enough to be a soldier, I simply couldn't function under shit like this.[/QUOTE] Lots of respect for admitting that. More people need to. It takes a special person with a special mindset to be a good soldier/marine/whatever. Even making it through boot camp is tough. While in Marine Corps boot camp, I held my bunkmate as he died in my arms from gouging his own wrists and neck in the middle of the night because he couldn't take it anymore. The screaming/gurgling woke me up. He tried to plead to me to help him... he knew he had just made a big mistake and didn't really want to die. I tried to put pressure on his throat. Everyone else started waking up and more people came over to help put pressure on his wounds - but no matter how many people we had pushing down on him, blood kept gushing out between our fingers and hands. Needless to say he died. Another kid in the squad bay a level above mine smuggled a round off the range and shot himself in the head with his M-16 in the middle of the night. Keep in mind this is all still in boot. You haven't even had a taste of what it's like yet. I tell these stories to ANYONE who expresses interest in joining the armed forces. You need to know what you're getting yourself into and what kind of stressful environment it will be, whether it's boot camp or in a real battle. It's not like the commercials, it's not like your recruiter says it will be. If you have ANY doubts, do not join. It's not for everyone.
There's a very good reason why we're only 1% of the rest of the population
[QUOTE=TheTalon;47716043]No, a round can cook off all sorts of ways, but without a round being in a chamber where all the force is directed in a specific direction, a round cooking off is almost harmless. Well, I don't know about a .50 and larger, but you can throw some .45 or 5.56 in a microwave, bake until it sets the bullet off, and it'll be hard pressed to even put a hole in the microwave, and even if it did it will more than likely be the casing that did it, not the bullet Now a bunch cooking off would be bad, but not because bullets would be flying all over the place, but because of fire and smoke[/QUOTE] Exactly this. The lighest part of the bullet is the one that travels so when rounds cook off the bullet usually sticks around and the case goes flying. It's not something you WANT to happen, you want to avoid it and it could be potentially dangerous but it's not as bad as you may think. A couple of cases of 50BMG going off like that inside a Stryker doesn't sound like fun though.
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