i love kurzgesagt. their videos are always very high quality and have a reasonable length.
I don't get it. It actually worked in Switzerland, why aren't more countries switching over to this model?
[QUOTE=DeEz;49845201]I don't get it. It actually worked in Switzerland, why aren't more countries switching over to this model?[/QUOTE]
"Because my country is unlike your country, my culture is different than that culture, our policies are just too different than that policy to work..." All excuses to keep the war on drugs working. Tons of money goes into drug enforcement, so it creates a powerful group of people who wish to keep their power over the health of the general population.
I met with a executive member of my county's drug prevention board and he shed a little light as to another problem with fighting drug use/ pursuing drug prevention. His job is going to school systems and providing them with their drug prevention programs mandated by the state, however the school has a choice of how much money they want to spend on it and what approach they want to take. Schools are so tight with money and short on class time, they would rather spend a few hundred bucks on ONE drug assembly (you know where the cop comes in, does a presentation for a class period and leaves) that has shown to have little to no effectiveness, than use one of the more successful drug education programs that works alongside your health class in teaching about drug use/prevention (which has shown to be very effective and actually has results). Granted the second choice will cost more, let's say $1500, but the first choice of $500 gets you no results. But hey kids don't need to learn about drug use, that's not an important life lesson, that's too taboo for kids. Kids can't waste crucial class time learning about delayed gratification, life habits, and lessons, no no no, they need to learn more about Sumerian inventions and score high on their state placement tests so the school looks good.
There's a lot of lack of knowledge in the general population when it comes to drugs, that school administrators or police officers shrug off the idea of compassionate drug approach because drugs have been so taboo. I can imagine all of the helicopter parents now, screaming at how a more soft approach to drug use will be the doom of us all and kids will be shooting up heroin because they learned about it in school. So it becomes a cycle; keep drug use taboo, no one learns about it/no problems are solved, more people fall into the pitfall of irresponsible drug use, bad things happen, people blame users for bad things happening, drug use deemed taboo, repeat.
Shared to my facebook. bracing myself.
Heh, nice Breaking Bad references :v:
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I liked Kurzgesagt's early videos but I honestly think they are getting too political, their video on the migrant crisis was especially bad. However valid and true the message of this video is, I still find it a bad idea to mix politics into what is otherwise science. Their videos about nuclear power were good because they presented different perspectives and views on the topic, and that is the closest one can get to an acceptable way of doing this.
The war on drugs is retardedly corrupt and inefficient, you can't fight the basic pleasure seeking mechanism that is part of our animal nature.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49846633]However valid and true the message of this video is, I still find it a bad idea to [B]mix politics into what is otherwise science[/B].[/QUOTE]
Except this is really more like using actual science and facts as evidence to give a certain perspective and change something that is political?
But if you meant that you don't agree with mixing politics and science altogether than that is even way more wrong in my opinion.
Do you not agree that science is usually one very strong key to further understand and hopefully help solve a problem? We rely on scientific evidence [B]all the time[/B] when we form our politics - they should most definitely be discussed in the same context.
[QUOTE=Mooe94;49846707]Except this is really more like using actual science and facts as evidence to give a certain perspective and change something that is political?
But if you meant that you don't agree with mixing politics and science altogether than that is even way more wrong in my opinion.
Do you not agree that science is usually one very strong key to further understand and hopefully help solve a problem? We rely on scientific evidence [B]all the time[/B] when we form our politics - they should most definitely be discussed in the same context.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I wasn't clear enough but I think of it a bit like acid and water, you can use science to make decisions in politics but politics should never influence science, which I am afraid is what is happening/might happen with kurzgesagt.
[QUOTE=DeEz;49845201]I don't get it. It actually worked in Switzerland, why aren't more countries switching over to this model?[/QUOTE]
Because ignorance is bliss and politicians need something universal to shout at.
Hell even here in Denmark, we've got massive problems with getting "fixing rooms" up and running because so many just cry about how it's "unethical to support addicts" and don't realise it helps them recover
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49846841]Maybe I wasn't clear enough but I think of it a bit like acid and water, you can use science to make decisions in politics but politics should never influence science, which I am afraid is what is happening/might happen with kurzgesagt.[/QUOTE]
God forbid someone used actual facts to back up their political opinions. What about this do you feel is not scientific enough? They provided sources for more or less everything they said in the video.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49846841]Maybe I wasn't clear enough but I think of it a bit like acid and water, you can use science to make decisions in politics but politics should never influence science, which I am afraid is what is happening/might happen with kurzgesagt.[/QUOTE]
Science is a problem solver, politics is a problem creator, they have to cross over.
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Perhaps the world would be better if we elected Historians.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49846633]I liked Kurzgesagt's early videos but I honestly think they are getting too political, their video on the migrant crisis was especially bad. However valid and true the message of this video is, I still find it a bad idea to mix politics into what is otherwise science. Their videos about nuclear power were good because they presented different perspectives and views on the topic, and that is the closest one can get to an acceptable way of doing this.[/QUOTE]
Nothing wrong with them getting political and disagreeing with me. However the misinformation they used in that particular video was just gross. You can't use Mexico -> Estados Unidos migration to make a judgement on the European migrant crisis.
[QUOTE=Niko_38;49847402]God forbid someone used actual facts to back up their political opinions. What about this do you feel is not scientific enough? They provided sources for more or less everything they said in the video.[/QUOTE]
Do you seriously think I am saying science should not influence politics? I am saying that politics should not influence science, and presenting biased opinions on the migrant crisis and other shit while explaining fundamental particles and the immune system creates exactly this, especially when the target audience is teens/young adults. Of course should science influence shit like the climate debate, what I am saying is that [B]politics should not influence science[/B] Do I need to spell it out for you? We figure out that carbon emissions cause global warming, so we push for reducing said emissions and promoting cleaner energy and industry - That is fine. Censoring medical and anatomical textbooks recognizing differences in gender because some woman who whines about butts in video games and "eye rape" claims it is sexist and misogynistic? Absolutely not fucking fine.
[editline]2nd March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mooe94;49846707]Except this is really more like using actual science and facts as evidence to give a certain perspective and change something that is political?
But if you meant that you don't agree with mixing politics and science altogether than that is even way more wrong in my opinion.
Do you not agree that science is usually one very strong key to further understand and hopefully help solve a problem? We rely on scientific evidence [B]all the time[/B] when we form our politics - they should most definitely be discussed in the same context.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what I am trying to say, solve political issues with science, dont screw up science with poltical dogma, it is all about what is put into what.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49850839]Do you seriously think I am saying science should not influence politics? I am saying that politics should not influence science, and presenting biased opinions on the migrant crisis and other shit while explaining fundamental particles and the immune system creates exactly this, especially when the target audience is teens/young adults. Of course should science influence shit like the climate debate, what I am saying is that [B]politics should not influence science[/B] Do I need to spell it out for you? We figure out that carbon emissions cause global warming, so we push for reducing said emissions and promoting cleaner energy and industry - That is fine. Censoring medical and anatomical textbooks recognizing differences in gender because some woman who whines about butts in video games and "eye rape" claims it is sexist and misogynistic? Absolutely not fucking fine.[/QUOTE]
I didn't ask about feminism or global warming. I asked what part of this video you feel is biased by political opinions?
[QUOTE=Niko_38;49851043]I didn't ask about feminism or global warming. I asked what part of this video you feel is biased by political opinions?[/QUOTE]
As much as I support harm reduction programs, I still think it is bad to have videos about politics on the same channel that hosts videos on science. It can be and is(by other youtube channels and websites) abused to a scary extent. The majority of youth today have a really hard time discerning the subjective from the objective which is exactly what is being exploited in this case of educational youtube channels. This is a path I don't want to see this channel going down and I hope that whenever there is a major political issue that they present all viewpoints on it, just like how they did with their videos on nuclear power.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49850839]Do you seriously think I am saying science should not influence politics? I am saying that politics should not influence science, and presenting biased opinions on the migrant crisis and other shit while explaining fundamental particles and the immune system creates exactly this, especially when the target audience is teens/young adults.[/QUOTE]
To me I find it wise to realize that every single perspective and view given by any person is in a way always subjective, from governments to scientists to teachers and parents. For Kurzgesagt I'm not even sure they've claimed to be like reaching for an absolute objectivity when telling a story, [I]in a nutshell[/I] as well.
As for biased opinions you could even argue that we are all "biased" from being born into and living in certain contexts which may influence us to think in certain ways. I think you're better off not seeing it as a biased opinion and deflecting whatever they are saying. Instead try consider it, have an open mind and keep two thoughts or concepts in your head at the same time and try to have a more open perspective on an incredibly complex and highly discussed subject like the migrant crisis.
The video on the migrant crisis is Kurzgesagt's and many other's way of looking at it (in a nutshell) using selected sources and you are always welcome to criticize that view and those sources.
I just wouldn't confuse Kurzgesagt with some sort of international institution that is trying to be all about striving for absolute objectivity and using only scientific fact to argue for something. But sure, I can understand what you mean but at the same time they are free to say whatever the hell they want, which you'll agree with I'm sure.
And furthermore, just like there's a lot of politics that are "wrong" - all of our science have never ever been absolute "correct". Many researchers, scientists, governments, politicians could still use (sometimes old and outdated science) papers, experiments, etc which have been found to be completely false or lacking in substance. Not exactly saying that you meant that all science is correct, or that I'm saying like physics are wrong in any way, but it's good to have a mindset like thinking that all history written is [I]written by someone[/I] that could very well be just as right as it is wrong.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49850839]We figure out that carbon emissions cause global warming, so we push for reducing said emissions and promoting cleaner energy and industry - That is fine.
Censoring medical and anatomical textbooks recognizing differences in gender because some woman who whines about butts in video games and "eye rape" claims it is sexist and misogynistic? Absolutely not fucking fine.[/QUOTE]
And I'm not too sure there has ever been a big case of censoring actual medical and anatomical facts "just because some women whined". What is happening however is [B]discussion[/B] and trying to make progress in an area of gender studies. Again I don't even think anyone has tried to actually CENSOR information (you'll have to define censorship for me if you can in that case).
[editline]2nd March 2016[/editline]
oh and excuse in advance for misunderstanding or typos or whatever, from being sick&newly awoken
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49851145]As much as I support harm reduction programs, I still think it is bad to have videos about politics on the same channel that hosts videos on science. It can be and is(by other youtube channels and websites) abused to a scary extent. The majority of youth today have a really hard time discerning the subjective from the objective which is exactly what is being exploited in this case of educational youtube channels. This is a path I don't want to see this channel going down and I hope that whenever there is a major political issue that they present all viewpoints on it, just like how they did with their videos on nuclear power.[/QUOTE]
They couldn't possibly represent every single viewpoint on such a complex issue. There's political, psychological as well as economic factors involved. Whether or not young people confuse subjective with objective fact, i don't know. But it's not exactly an objective fact if you have nothing to back it up.
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oh and excuse in advance for misunderstanding or typos or whatever, from being sick&newly awoken[/QUOTE]
I can entirely relate to this part, I am feverish as hell and shouldn't be doing super serious discussion online. The thing about global warming and the other were hyperboles, since apparently people had issues understanding my post. The rest you write is pretty philosophical and while I do myself also think that if there is an absolute reality, we are far from understanding it fully I must also say that it is the exact same reason why I think the seperation of subjective opinion from the attempted objective observation is important. That is a whole other discussion for another thread.
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