comparing pitstops across motorsports - General

[video=youtube;_Rp_FtFCs54]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rp_FtFCs54[/video] interesting how only american motorsports use artificial difficulty to make pitstops more time consuming

I like how F1 pit stops are so quick you need to watch multiple times to really know what the hell just happened. Those World Endurance pit stops take for-fucking-ever.

i was wondeirng why they couldnt just do the both sides in nascar but apparently that's just how the car works. from reddit [QUOTE]There are a couple reasons that I know of, but there may be more. Unlike your car at home, NASCARs are jacked on the sides, not on the front and back for quicker access. Instead of having to search for a load bearing point on the font and back under car, the sides have load bearing points built in so its easy to see and jack it up. That means that one side must be done at a time, not front to back. You want the crew to end up on the inside of the pit facing the retaining wall. Unlike Formula 1, pit crew members don't stand on the outside when the car leaves (I believe this is a regulation rule, but I'm not sure).[/QUOTE]

It's always crazy to me seeing how many people are involved in an F1 stop.

[QUOTE=meppers;48059299] interesting how only american motorsports use artificial difficulty to make pitstops more time consuming[/QUOTE] ???? the euro pitstops took like, 10x as long. They had one dude there while the rest were jerking off. The indycar and nascar are done quick as fuck. Especially nascar since they have to do 5x as many nuts. It's really amazing how no studs get cross threaded when they're being put on at 20000 rpm.

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;48059527]???? the euro pitstops took like, 10x as long. They had one dude there while the rest were jerking off. The indycar and nascar are done quick as fuck. Especially nascar since they have to do 5x as many nuts. It's really amazing how no studs get cross threaded when they're being put on at 20000 rpm.[/QUOTE] there's no reason a nascar wheel needs 5 lug nuts instead of one big one

[QUOTE=meppers;48059916]there's no reason a nascar wheel needs 5 lug nuts instead of one big one[/QUOTE] Did you see how badass that pit stop looked?

[QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;48059407]i was wondeirng why they couldnt just do the both sides in nascar but apparently that's just how the car works. from reddit[/QUOTE] my car has jacking points on the sides..? [editline]27th June 2015[/editline] is it a nascar?

[QUOTE=meppers;48059916]there's no reason a nascar wheel needs 5 lug nuts instead of one big one[/QUOTE] And? it's just the style of racing. There's no reason to race either, this is just the rules.

[QUOTE=meppers;48059916]there's no reason a nascar wheel needs 5 lug nuts instead of one big one[/QUOTE] because its stock car, meaning most stock cars have 5 lug nuts instead of one large one.

NASCAR killed the pitstop game

[QUOTE=meppers;48059916]there's no reason a nascar wheel needs 5 lug nuts instead of one big one[/QUOTE] It goes back to when they were actual cars. Its the same reason they use big ass naturally aspirated v8s. tradition.

[QUOTE=Cmx;48061464]It goes back to when they were actual cars. Its the same reason they use big ass naturally aspirated v8s. tradition.[/QUOTE] They also used carburetors until 2012. The last carbureted car sold in the US was in 1990. :v:

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;48059527] Especially nascar since they [I]have to do 5x as many[/I] nuts.[/QUOTE] Not with the [URL="http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/story/is-nascar-s-automated-pit-road-officiating-system-a-game-changer-020315"]new rules and automated pit monitoring[/URL] they have this season. They aren't penalized for skipping lug nuts anymore, so if the driver and crew chief think the time saved by only putting 3 lugs per tire is worth the risk of it coming loose, they'll only put 3 on. There is, of course, a penalty should the tire [I]come off[/I] due to using fewer lug nuts I know that's not the point you were getting at, but I think it was worth noting.

with the amount of stress those things go through, i cant see many groups risking that.

Oh they will. In that helmet cam, one lug nut fell off, and he had to reach down pick it up, then put it back on, which he did insanely quick, but that's enough to have a ripple effect if it were to be a pitstop where they only took two tires because it's the end of the race with a few laps to go, causing them to get out behind someone. Then there's crews taking 3 nuts instead of 5 for their tire swaps and getting out faster than those with 5 anyway This is the sport where they have cheated by hollowing out their roll cage so their car holds more fuel, after all

F1 pit stops are basically magic

[QUOTE=TheTalon;48062813]Oh they will. In that helmet cam, one lug nut fell off, and he had to reach down pick it up, then put it back on, which he did insanely quick, but that's enough to have a ripple effect if it were to be a pitstop where they only took two tires because it's the end of the race with a few laps to go, causing them to get out behind someone. Then there's crews taking 3 nuts instead of 5 for their tire swaps and getting out faster than those with 5 anyway [B]This is the sport where they have cheated by hollowing out their roll cage so their car holds more fuel, after all[/B][/QUOTE] ...seriously?

[QUOTE=Tmaxx;48064658]...seriously?[/QUOTE] That's what NASCAR is all about. [QUOTE]...Yunick was perhaps best known for interpreting what the rule book said—or, perhaps, didn't say. For example: In 1968, he said NASCAR specified how big a fuel tank could be, but he noticed no one said how big the fuel line could be. Instead of a half-inch fuel line, Yunick created a two-inch fuel line that was 11 feet long, and held five gallons of gas...NASCAR mandated how much a gas tank could hold, which Yunick once circumvented by placing a basketball in the tank and inflating it with air. NASCAR checked the tank's capacity and cleared it. Then, when no one was looking, Yunick deflated the basketball....[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]..."If you don't cheat," he said, "you look like an idiot."...Darrell Waltrip's team would fill frame rails with BBs or buckshot, then when on the track, he'd pull a little wire that would open a trap door in the frame rail, and the BBs would spill out on the back straight. But once, a crewman washed the car and got the BBs wet. They all stuck together, and didn't escape until Waltrip was speeding down pit lane. As the BBs pelted crew members from other teams, as well as NASCAR officials, it did not take long for inspectors to close that loophole.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]In 1952, Tim Flock, who used to race with his pet monkey, Jocko Flocko, in the cockpit, was disqualified from a NASCAR modified race because his roll bars were made from painted wood.[/QUOTE] You can't make this shit up.

[QUOTE=Banned?;48059347]I like how F1 pit stops are so quick you need to watch multiple times to really know what the hell just happened. Those World Endurance pit stops take for-fucking-ever.[/QUOTE] That's because there isn't much done in F1 pit stops, while in WEC pit stops they clean a lot, change the drive, fuel the car, etc etc I mean, the shortest race in the WEC is 6 and the longest 24 hours. The speed of the pit stops don't matter as much as they do in F1

[QUOTE=Firewarrior;48064877]That's because there isn't much done in F1 pit stops, while in WEC pit stops they clean a lot, change the drive, fuel the car, etc etc I mean, the shortest race in the WEC is 6 and the longest 24 hours. The speed of the pit stops don't matter as much as they do in F1[/QUOTE] I figured that it after looking up the WEC on Wikipedia. Can't imagine having to be in s 24 hour race.

[QUOTE=meppers;48059299] interesting how only american motorsports use artificial difficulty to make pitstops more time consuming[/QUOTE] you know absolutely nothing about american motorsports lmao

[QUOTE=meppers;48059299] interesting how only american motorsports use artificial difficulty to make pitstops more time consuming[/QUOTE] And yet still way faster than Endurance racing :v: [QUOTE=meppers;48059916]there's no reason a nascar wheel needs 5 lug nuts instead of one big one[/QUOTE] It's part of the sport. The cars were once based on streetcars and retained the wheel lug pattern of said street cars. This is something they've just kept doing throughout the years for tradition's sake. It works fine. Also, one big nut isn't automatically better than five smaller ones. When was the last time a NASCAR pitstop sent a three wheeled car out again? They forget a lugnut it's no big deal, there's four more the car'll make its next stint just fine. You muck up that single nut on Euro-style setups and the damn wheel falls off. Fun fact: The wheels, and thus tires, used in NASCAR will bolt onto quite a few American muscle cars without any real issue! [QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;48059407]i was wondeirng why they couldnt just do the both sides in nascar but apparently that's just how the car works. from reddit[/QUOTE] It is indeed a safety regulation. NASCAR pitcrews used to be allowed to wait on the passenger side of the car, but some crew members started getting hit by other cars so NASCAR put their foot down and said 'Car cannot be released until all crew members are safely on the pit wall side of the box'. It doesn't look it in that video, but pitstops under caution after a long green stint will see every single car...all 43 of them if nobody's crashed too badly that they cannot continue...trying to pit at the same exact time. It's, to put it bluntly, madness on pit lane.

[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;48064839]That's what NASCAR is all about. You can't make this shit up.[/QUOTE] TBH that fuel line cheat is pretty smart. Reminds me of that F1 car (I think it was F1 anwyays) that had a giant fan in the back and they said that it was to cool the engine but in reality it was keeping the car close to the ground due to the downforce it generated.

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;48068006]TBH that fuel line cheat is pretty smart. Reminds me of that F1 car (I think it was F1 anwyays) that had a giant fan in the back and they said that it was to cool the engine but in reality it was keeping the car close to the ground due to the downforce it generated.[/QUOTE] This? [IMG]http://f1.imgci.com/PICTURES/CMS/8200/8228.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://cdn05.motorsportretro.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/brabham-bt46.jpg[/IMG]