I doubt the dumb raters watched the videos yet, it was posted 8 minutes ago.
This guy used actual facts and statistics... sooo can anyone even disprove what he said.
A large percentage of muslims support sharia law, its a fact.
Not all but its not as small as some people say, as shown by this video.
In fact this video changed my opinon THROUGH FACTS.
please watch first
Shapiro is one of the hobgoblins who works at that rag Breitbart, nothing he says is worthy of any deep thought
Isn't this the manlet that tried to push the Michelle Fields assault hoax?
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50540998]Shapiro is one of the hobgoblins who works at that rag Breitbart, nothing he says is worthy of any deep thought[/QUOTE]
Im sure his other work isnt great but if those facts are true then it would change my opinion of it being a small vocal minority.
[QUOTE=Firetornado;50541008]Im sure his other work isnt great but if those facts are true then it would change my opinion of it being a small vocal minority.[/QUOTE]
"I know this person isn't trustworthy but the way he's organized statistics still convinced me" - how to be misinformed
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;50541048]"I know this person isn't trustworthy but the way he's organized statistics still convinced me" - how to be misinformed[/QUOTE]
He cited a source in the beginning.
[editline]17th June 2016[/editline]
[url]http://www.people-press.org/[/url]
[IMG]http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/gsi2-overview-13.png[/IMG]
from the source mentioned in the video. clearly these extremist muslims are the majority!!
As has been stated before whenever this video gets posted, there are many different interpretations of Sharia Law and most Muslims interpret it as a set of guidelines like the ten commandments that they follow themselves and don't force on anybody, not the version of Sharia Law pushed by Radical Islamic groups like ISIS (which isn't even really the Sharia Law written in the koran in the first place but their own bastardized version of it).
This would be like asking loads of Christians or Jews whether they support the Ten Commandments from the Bible and then concluding from that that they wish to force everyone to follow their draconian religious laws and kill all the gays. It's deceptive at best and outright manipulative at worst.
[editline]18th June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Firetornado;50540979]I doubt the dumb raters watched the videos yet, it was posted 8 minutes ago.
This guy used actual facts and statistics... sooo can anyone even disprove what he said.
A large percentage of muslims support sharia law, its a fact.
Not all but its not as small as some people say, as shown by this video.
In fact this video changed my opinon THROUGH FACTS.
please watch first[/QUOTE]
Just a word of advice, if someone ever makes an outrageous claim try checking the sources they cite. Don't just assume that because someone claims to have 'sources' and 'evidence' that the things they reference are actually reliable and that they interpreted them correctly. There are loads of bogus 'scientific' studies on the internet that argue things like chocolate cures cancer or push forward a political agenda and what-not, and moreover even if the study is correct people deliberately misinterpret the studies to support their opinions.
[img]http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20090830.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;50541178]if sharia law is extremism then i guess laws based on christian texts are also extremism
sharia law doesn't just mean "kill all the gays/whatevers", it can also be a set of personal guidelines similar to something like the 10 commadments[/QUOTE]
Quran (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)"
An account that is borrowed from the Biblical story of Sodom. Muslim scholars through the centuries have interpreted the "rain of stones" on the town as meaning that homosexuals should be stoned, since no other reason is given for the people's destruction. (Inexplicably, the story is also repeated in suras 15:74, 27:58 and 29:40).
They execute homosexuals under Sharia law. I wouldn't exactly say it is a fair comparison to Christianity.
[IMG]http://puu.sh/pwDtx/b3f0e2472b.jpg[/IMG]
Homosexuals are beheaded, hanged and stoned in modern Saudi Arabia and Iran, where Muhammad's laws are applied most strictly. Five other Muslim countries also have the death penalty on their books for homosexual behavior. In the past, gays were burned.
As one cleric recently put it, the only point of theological debate is not whether the homosexual should be killed, but how it should be done.
Minority or not, Sharia law itself is quite barbaric and outdated. People who willing follow it, even at the idea of personal commandments are worrying.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50540998]Shapiro is one of the hobgoblins who works at that rag Breitbart, nothing he says is worthy of any deep thought[/QUOTE]
He went to UCLA at age 16 then to Harvard Law to become a lawyer. I am sure he is capable of understanding political issues.
[QUOTE=Firetornado;50541071]He cited a source in the beginning.
[editline]17th June 2016[/editline]
[url]http://www.people-press.org/[/url][/QUOTE]
I'll take that source with a grain of salt with such a name as well as claiming to be "nonpartisan" :v:
[QUOTE=Chaitin;50541484]I'll take that source with a grain of salt with such a name as well as claiming to be "nonpartisan" :v:[/QUOTE]
Do you honestly not recognize Pew? It's one of the foremost polling agencies in the country, if not the world.
Shapiro looks at "sharia law" and says "oh they must be radicals if they favor it."
This is like assuming that everyone who responds to a poll saying "I support the Bible" agrees that we should re-institute slavery according to Deuteronomy and 1 Peter, stone rebellious children to death according to Deuteronomy, disallow women from teaching men according to 1 Timothy, commit genocide (plus slaughter every child and animal) according to 1 Samuel, and so on.
Sharia is far more than the punishments - and the vast, vast majority of Muslim countries don't even apply those punishments [i]at all[/i]. Hell, he cited Bangladesh - Sharia law dictates nothing but marriage, divorce, alimony, and inheritance. Interfaith marriages are unrestricted under the law - yet they're prohibited in sharia law.
Yes, sharia has some backwards shit in it. The punishments are severe and disgusting. There is no doubt about that - but saying that "sharia law" is radicalism is like saying that someone who says "I believe in the Bible" is a radical child-killing slaver rapist homophobic genocidal murderer. It isn't true.
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50541434]He went to UCLA at age 16 then to Harvard Law to become a lawyer. I am sure he is capable of understanding political issues.[/QUOTE]
What makes you think that makes him less capable of being intentionally misleading?
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50541434]He went to UCLA at age 16 then to Harvard Law to become a lawyer. I am sure he is capable of understanding political issues.[/QUOTE]
And Ben Carson went to Yale, yet somehow believed that the pyramids were for grain storage. What's your point?
[QUOTE=sgman91;50541520]Do you honestly not recognize Pew? It's one of the foremost polling agencies in the country, if not the world.[/QUOTE]
I'm always skeptic when an American think tank claims to be nonpartisan, but after a quick search I admit they are well respected, even though I never heard of their name.
[QUOTE=Chaitin;50541558]I'm always skeptic when an American think tank claims to be nonpartisan, but after a quick search I admit they are well respected, even though I never heard of their name.[/QUOTE]
Pew is [I]generally[/I] a pretty reasonable social analytics group, it's just in many cases people deliberately misinterpret their work to support a political agenda (which is what happened here) because they cover subjects that are often politicized in nature.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;50541544]What makes you think that makes him less capable of being intentionally misleading?[/QUOTE]
Fair point.
[IMG]http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/gsi2-overview-1.png[/IMG]
I understand Sharia law is instituted in different forms throughout the country, but the entire basis of it does not respect human rights, from my understanding at least.
The point of sharing this video was not to change people's opinions, but rather hear what people think of the matter. I want to stay informed and be able to substantiate arguments for what I believe is right after knowing the two sides of an issue.
[QUOTE=kr1f333;50541164][IMG]http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/gsi2-overview-13.png[/IMG]
from the source mentioned in the video. clearly these extremist muslims are the majority!![/QUOTE]
That's still a scary amount. And if you just put "never justified" and left out the rarely it might be even scarier.
1 in 4 Egyptian Muslims being terrorist sympathizers
Isn't the point that more people take the Quran more seriously than people the bible?
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50541408]Quran (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)"
An account that is borrowed from the Biblical story of Sodom. Muslim scholars through the centuries have interpreted the "rain of stones" on the town as meaning that homosexuals should be stoned, since no other reason is given for the people's destruction. (Inexplicably, the story is also repeated in suras 15:74, 27:58 and 29:40).
They execute homosexuals under Sharia law. I wouldn't exactly say it is a fair comparison to Christianity.
[IMG]http://puu.sh/pwDtx/b3f0e2472b.jpg[/IMG]
Homosexuals are beheaded, hanged and stoned in modern Saudi Arabia and Iran, where Muhammad's laws are applied most strictly. Five other Muslim countries also have the death penalty on their books for homosexual behavior. In the past, gays were burned.
As one cleric recently put it, the only point of theological debate is not whether the homosexual should be killed, but how it should be done.[/QUOTE]
You just pointed out how the idea of homosexuality being bad was taken from the bible, and yet you're claiming it's only endemic to Islam? There are christian-majority countries in Africa where homosexuality is illegal and some where it is punishable by death (and they cite the Christian Bible as the reason for doing so). Being anti-LGBT isn't an Islamic thing, it's a backwards third-world country thing.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory[/url]
[QUOTE=mooman1080;50541595]Isn't the point that more people take the Quran more seriously than people the bible?[/QUOTE]
iirc there's only just rules about Muhammad being the final prophet and that no changes should ever be made to the Quran, so I guess that's somewhat true?
[QUOTE=Zyler;50541600]and yet you're claiming it's only endemic to Islam?[/QUOTE]
At what point did he claim that exactly? If he did and I missed it then fair enough.
[QUOTE=mooman1080;50541595]Isn't the point that more people take the Quran more seriously than people the bible?[/QUOTE]
I think the only reason for that is that, in general, Christianity-dominated countries tend to be wealthier and more educated while Islamic-dominated countries are poorer and less educated. Poorer, stupider people tend to be more prone to superstition and take religious texts more seriously. In Christian-dominated countries that are also poorer and less educated, people tend to be just as superstitious as Islamic-dominated countries.
That's my theory, anyway.
[editline]18th June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=mooman1080;50541630]At what point did he claim that exactly? If he did and I missed it then fair enough.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]They execute homosexuals under Sharia law. I wouldn't exactly say it is a fair comparison to Christianity.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zyler;50541600]You just pointed out how the idea of homosexuality being bad was taken from the bible, and yet you're claiming it's only endemic to Islam? There are christian-majority countries in Africa where homosexuality is illegal and some where it is punishable by death (and they cite the Christian Bible as the reason for doing so). Being anti-LGBT isn't an Islamic thing, it's a backwards third-world country thing.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory[/url][/QUOTE]
I could not find anything citing directly to the bible that gays are supposed to be executed as opposed to the Quaran. Yes, the idea of homosexuality being bad may have been taken by the bible, but it is never explicitly said to kill them.
Honestly, anybody can believe anything they want but so long as a religious texts [as shown in the Quaran] are promoting violence and tearing basic human rights from others, I have a problem.
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;50541714]I could not find anything citing directly to the bible that gays are supposed to be executed as opposed to the Quaran.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-13.htm[/url]
This is like the most widely-known reference to homosexuality in the bible, how the fuck do you not know about this?
[QUOTE=Zyler;50541645]I think the only reason for that is that, in general, Christianity-dominated countries tend to be wealthier and more educated while Islamic-dominated countries are poorer and less educated. Poorer, stupider people tend to be more prone to superstition and take religious texts more seriously. In Christian-dominated countries that are also poorer and less educated, people tend to be just as superstitious as Islamic-dominated countries.
That's my theory, anyway.
[editline]18th June 2016[/editline][/QUOTE]
The Persian gulf is about as wealthy as south and east Europe
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;50541719][url]http://biblehub.com/leviticus/20-13.htm[/url]
This is like the most widely-known reference to homosexuality in the bible, how the fuck do you not know about this?[/QUOTE]
Not sure how I didn't know about that, but thankfully I do now.
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[QUOTE=.Isak.;50541547]And Ben Carson went to Yale, yet somehow believed that the pyramids were for grain storage. What's your point?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't think getting a law degree and medical degree are quite the same.
Especially being that Ben Shapiro is one of, if not, the youngest syndicated collumnists ever.
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