Ed Miliband VS David Cameron - General

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KREX_GuMFtM[/media] Parliament is some crazy shit

Nick Clegg looks like Parliament is last place he wants to be

British debates looks so unreal to me for some reason

Wait, has Cameron donated to the less well off as well then?

Our parliament sounds like a fucking pantomime. not that that's a bad thing, but it's pretty funny to listen to.

[QUOTE=JesterUK;27390614]Nick Clegg looks like Parliament is last place he wants to be[/QUOTE] Agreed he just sits there and nods, as if he just blindly agree's with David on everything. HES SUPPOSED TO BE A LIBERAL!

oh god, now I remember how bad Ed Miliband's voice sounds, bahahaha

[QUOTE=skifer;27390969]Agreed he just sits there and nods, as if he just blindly agree's with David on everything. HES SUPPOSED TO BE A LIBERAL![/QUOTE] I think we can all safely say that the 'Engine Failure Award' for the biggest nosedive of a politicians popularity goes to Nick Clegg. [QUOTE=Turnips5;27391032]oh god, now I remember how bad Ed Miliband's voice sounds, bahahaha[/QUOTE] Am I the only one who thinks that he sounds like he constantly has a cold?

Ladies and gentlemen, these are the people who are in charge of our country and decide its rules...........a bunch of bickering know nothing old twats. no wonder we are fucked.

[QUOTE=David29;27391052]Am I the only one who thinks that he sounds like he constantly has a cold?[/QUOTE] No, I'm thinking the exact same thing all the time. I just forgot how bad his voice sounds and this video reminded me.

The ConDem coalition is a fucking travesty.

[QUOTE=Someoneuduno;27391154]The ConDem coalition is a fucking travesty.[/QUOTE] Because Labour is much better. (That's sarcasm)

This is a whole lot more fun to watch/listen to compared to the Swedish debates we have here our politicians are so mild

[QUOTE=David29;27391201]Because Labour is much better. (That's sarcasm)[/QUOTE] Yes. Yes it is. I'd rather have Cameron shove his fist in the metaphorical anus of the poor while simeltaneously choking Clegg who is clearly his bitch and needs to stop pretending otherwise. It's only not better if you're one of those benefitting from David buttfucking the country. Admittedly Labour will never be perfect, but frankly they're the best out of a bad lot, the bad lot being Labour and Conservatives since no self-respecting person is ever voting Lib Dem again.

Far better than any Yankee politics.

Labour = the better of two evils.

Nick Clegg must feel so uncomfortable being surrounded by that many Tories.

[QUOTE=JesterUK;27390614]Nick Clegg looks like Parliament is last place he wants to be[/QUOTE] Parliament is the last place I want Nick Clegg to be. The traitor!

Wow, fuck this country and it's dumbass politics. As soon as I get enough money, I'm migrating to Canada, though that would be almost impossible with these kind of people in office.

[QUOTE=Someoneuduno;27391314]Yes. Yes it is. I'd rather have Cameron shove his fist in the metaphorical anus of the poor while simeltaneously choking Clegg who is clearly his bitch and needs to stop pretending otherwise. It's only not better if you're one of those benefitting from David buttfucking the country. Admittedly Labour will never be perfect, but frankly they're the best out of a bad lot, the bad lot being Labour and Conservatives since no self-respecting person is ever voting Lib Dem again.[/QUOTE] So trying to salvage the economy is "screwing over the country"? The thing I hate about people who say things like this is that: 1. Labour left us in the mess to start with. 2. Money doesn't grow on trees - a deficit won't clear itself. The fact that the deficit is so big (something Labour is so happy to ignore) means that tough measure need to be put into place. Brown just made the problem worse by ignoring it and borrowing more money - ultimately increasing the deficit it was meant to pay for. 3. Labour can't seem to come up with it's own effective solution. Anyone who [i]really[/i] thinks that getting out of a deficit this big wont hurt really needs to wake up.

Atleast it's actually bearable to watch, unlike other politics. Plus they seem to actually have fun. YEEEAAAAHHHH!!!

[QUOTE=Janizaurd;27393164]Atleast it's actually bearable to watch[/QUOTE] Hardly. They bicker like children.

[QUOTE=David29;27392756]So trying to salvage the economy is "screwing over the country"? The thing I hate about people who say things like this is that: 1. Labour left us in the mess to start with. 2. Money doesn't grow on trees - a deficit won't clear itself. The fact that the deficit is so big (something Labour is so happy to ignore) means that tough measure need to be put into place. Brown just made the problem worse by ignoring it and borrowing more money - ultimately increasing the deficit it was meant to pay for. 3. Labour can't seem to come up with it's own effective solution. Anyone who [i]really[/i] thinks that getting out of a deficit this big wont hurt really needs to wake up.[/QUOTE] 1. The economic collapse effected all of us. Gordon Brown even argued that we needed to cut much sooner as a economic collapse is imminent but no one took heed. 2. How exactly did he make it worse? David Cameron is supporting the rich. One example would be the child benefits that are being proposed. A married couple earning 80,000 a year is entitled to child benefits where as a single parent earning 44,000 is not entitled to child benefits, how does that work?. 3. Conservatives cannot seem to come up with an effective solution neither rather than cut which effects the poorest the most. I am not idealising Labour but conservatives are just as bad if even worse, why not use the robin hood tax to take from the banks who can take up to 10 million in salary and have hell of alot more in reserves. I mean they got us in this mess the most due to their violent loaning and spending which hit the economy the most.

The reason why they're so larey is actually historically based as an act of defiance against the crown. The House of Lords is kept quiet and maintained but the house of commons revel in being just that, commoners. They are supposed to be as much the mob as the mob the claim to represent.

Ed Miliband aka Liquid Blair

[QUOTE=skifer;27393250]1. The economic collapse effected all of us. Gordon Brown even argued that we needed to cut much sooner as a economic collapse is imminent but no one took heed. 2. How exactly did he make it worse? David Cameron is supporting the rich. One example would be the child benefits that are being proposed. A married couple earning 80,000 a year is entitled to child benefits where as a single parent earning 44,000 is not entitled to child benefits, how does that work?. 3. Conservatives cannot seem to come up with an effective solution neither rather than cut which effects the poorest the most. I am not idealising Labour but conservatives are just as bad if even worse, why not use the robin hood tax to take from the banks who can take up to 10 million in salary and have hell of alot more in reserves. I mean they got us in this mess the most due to their violent loaning and spending which hit the economy the most.[/QUOTE] 1. So you have effectively confirmed my point - if Brown really had argued that we needed to make cuts, then this raises two points: first, that Brown was a weak leader if he was not able to get people to listen to him/get things done, and second, that Labour demonstrated their incompetence by not also recognising this and therefore backing Brown. Thus, I repeat, Labour left us in the mess to start with. 2. I explained how he made it worse: "Brown just made the problem worse [b]by ignoring it and borrowing more money[/b]". There is also the issue of Brown selling our entire gold reserve when it was at its lowest value. Now look at how much gold is worth. If we still had that reserve, we could clear most/all of the deficit. As for Cameron, if he is really hammering the poor as much as you say, why is it that the recent VAT increase actually had a greater impact on the middle and upper class than the lower? 3. Firstly, it is far too early to say whether they are effective or not. Second, the difference between the Conservatives and Labour at the moment is that at least the Conservatives are actually coming up with ideas, whereas Labour are just trying to 'win' support by attacking them so as to make the Conservatives look bad. Even if the Conservative ideas [b]are[/b] bad, at least they have some. All Labour is doing is saying "hurr that won't work" and "hurr that's unfair".

[QUOTE=David29;27392756]So trying to salvage the economy is "screwing over the country"? The thing I hate about people who say things like this is that: 1. Labour left us in the mess to start with. 2. Money doesn't grow on trees - a deficit won't clear itself. The fact that the deficit is so big (something Labour is so happy to ignore) means that tough measure need to be put into place. Brown just made the problem worse by ignoring it and borrowing more money - ultimately increasing the deficit it was meant to pay for. 3. Labour can't seem to come up with it's own effective solution. Anyone who [i]really[/i] thinks that getting out of a deficit this big wont hurt really needs to wake up.[/QUOTE] How is offering tax breaks to married couples going to help then, other then in alienating single parents? And frankly while Labour had a large part in the economic crisis, I'm pretty sure banks gambling away savings had sort of a star role in the whole thing...I agree with you 100% that the escaping the recession is ineveitably going to be painful, but people who aren't necessarily financially secure such as single parents or the underclass shouldn't be victimised.

I love British Parliamentary debates. Over here in Canada things can get pretty heated up too, but we're not nearly as rowdy as you guys. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7tSejDcKsg[/media]

Wow, how did this thread turn into a political debate? Fact of the matter is the least popular politicians are always the ones in power because the opposition aren't in power making headline-winning mistakes for everyone to see, they're sitting in the sidelines making bold promises. Next time labour win the election everybody will tell them to :frog:

[QUOTE=David29;27393708][b]1. So you have effectively confirmed my point - if Brown really had argued that we needed to make cuts, then this raises two points: first, that Brown was a weak leader if he was not able to get people to listen to him/get things done, and second, that Labour demonstrated their incompetence by not also recognising this and therefore backing Brown. Thus, I repeat, Labour left us in the mess to start with.[/b] When the government is running a budget deficit it means that total public expenditure exceeds revenue. As a result, the government has to borrow through the issue of government debt. If the government sector is taking in more revenue than it is spending, there is a budget surplus allowing the government to repay some of the accumulated debt, of perhaps cut the burden of tax or raise government expenditure. In effect you pay and borrow more to get yourself out of it but for worse or better it doesn't always work. But the conservative cuts and taxation aren't helping either. Both parties have a poor theory on how to sort the economy out as they are both trying to squeeze as much water out of the sponge as they can. But really there's none left [b]2. I explained how he made it worse: "Brown just made the problem worse [b]by ignoring it and borrowing more money[/b]". There is also the issue of Brown selling our entire gold reserve when it was at its lowest value. Now look at how much gold is worth. If we still had that reserve, we could clear most/all of the deficit. As for Cameron, if he is really hammering the poor as much as you say, why is it that the recent VAT increase actually had a greater impact on the middle and upper class than the lower?[/b] Have have a point with the gold, but I don't know how you can say it is not effecting the poor as much. The cost of consumer goods has risen substantially. I know you may not think 2.5% rise on tax isn't much but it can cost a household an extra £520 a year. This will effect consumer and spending margins, this means only the people with an extra amount of surplus profit i.e the rich will be able to dive into what they need more. This will rise in more material deprivation for the poor not being able to afford adequate equipment for children and keep them entertained on top of bills like mortgage's, insurance etc.. you know the situation. We live in a post modern and consumer society as a result of industrialisation we don't want to ostracise the poor where we could just cut from the banks and the people who got us into this mess and give the poor better conditions to live in. [b]3. Firstly, it is far too early to say whether they are effective or not. Second, the difference between the Conservatives and Labour at the moment is that at least the Conservatives are actually coming up with ideas, whereas Labour are just trying to 'win' support by attacking them so as to make the Conservatives look bad. Even if the Conservative ideas [b]are[/b] bad, at least they have some. All Labour is doing is saying "hurr that won't work" and "hurr that's unfair".[/b] I agree but the conservatives policy is to privatise and cut public services. The public sector is absolute paramount in ensuring fair social policy. Hence the rise in flu over Christmas and the rise in MRSA in hospitals. The conservatives may have a plan and labour do not, but the conservatives are the ones pulling the strings here, why aren't they pulling the right ones?. [/QUOTE]