• A Redneck Gatling Gun from Forgotten Weapons
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH2xsQcIUYI[/media]
They missed the perfect oppertunity to film it in action.
I am really curious how the ATF would classify this.. would it technically be a machine gun? Or would they consider it all individual semi-autos?
[QUOTE=Penguiin;47165662]I am really curious how the ATF would classify this.. would it technically be a machine gun? Or would they consider it all individual semi-autos?[/QUOTE] The description says that legally, it can be owned by anyone who can own a typical semi-auto rifle.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47165697]The description says that legally, it can be owned by anyone who can own a typical semi-auto rifle.[/QUOTE] i will put one on my car
redneck engineering at it's finest
[QUOTE=Penguiin;47165662]I am really curious how the ATF would classify this.. would it technically be a machine gun? Or would they consider it all individual semi-autos?[/QUOTE] Hand-cranked gatling guns are considered semi-automatic weaponry by the ATF. [url]https://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2004-5.html[/url] [QUOTE]ATF and its predecessor agency, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), have historically held that the original, crank-operated Gatling Gun, and replicas thereof, are not automatic firearms or machineguns as defined. See Rev. Rul. 55-528, 1955-2 C.B. 482. The original Gatling Gun is a rapid-firing, hand-operated weapon. The rate of fire is regulated by the rapidity of the hand cranking movement, manually controlled by the operator. It is not a "machinegun" as that term is defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845(b) because it is not a weapon that fires automatically.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Penguiin;47165662]I am really curious how the ATF would classify this.. would it technically be a machine gun? Or would they consider it all individual semi-autos?[/QUOTE] You are allowed to build gatling guns: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Aw6-XSA7Q[/media]
[QUOTE=Penguiin;47165662]I am really curious how the ATF would classify this.. would it technically be a machine gun? Or would they consider it all individual semi-autos?[/QUOTE] Gatling guns aren't classified as machine guns since they're manually operated. You can legally buy or build a Gatling gun no problem. It's kind of a niche thing left mainly to machinists, but there are a few hobbyists out there who make functional American Civil War era Gatlings from scratch, both full size and miniature. The thing to be clear on here is the gun can't operate under it's own power (No recoil or gas operation for example), this also means you can't hook a motor up to the crank, doing so immediately makes it a machine gun and you get to go to jail for 10-20 years and be fined into poverty.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;47166169]Gatling guns aren't classified as machine guns since they're manually operated. You can legally buy or build a Gatling gun no problem. It's kind of a niche thing left mainly to machinists, but there are a few hobbyists out there who make functional American Civil War era Gatlings from scratch, both full size and miniature. The thing to be clear on here is the gun can't operate under it's own power (No recoil or gas operation for example), this also means you can't hook a motor up to the crank, doing so immediately makes it a machine gun and you get to go to jail for 10-20 years and be fined into poverty.[/QUOTE] but you would be able to hook the gun up to a bike or something to make it easier to aim and fire, right just asking for a friend
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47166359]but you would be able to hook the gun up to a bike or something to make it easier to aim and fire, right just asking for a friend[/QUOTE] If you enable multiple shots either electronically or mechanically (read: non-crank), then you are committing a felony. For example, if you were to attach a brushless motor that spins the firing mechanism for you, and all you have to do is pull an electronic trigger? Illegal, welcome to Federal Pound Town. [editline]18th February 2015[/editline] The rule of thumb for the ATF is this: If you think it [b]might[/b] be illegal, don't fucking do it.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;47166578]If you enable multiple shots either electronically or mechanically (read: non-crank), then you are committing a felony. For example, if you were to attach a brushless motor that spins the firing mechanism for you, and all you have to do is pull an electronic trigger? Illegal, welcome to Federal Pound Town. [editline]18th February 2015[/editline] The rule of thumb for the ATF is this: If you think it [b]might[/b] be illegal, don't fucking do it.[/QUOTE] That said, I suppose hooking a Gatling up to some bicycle pedals as a sort of 'hands free' setup would still technically be manually operated (At least until the ATF arbitrarily decides it's illegal and threatens to destroy you if you don't surrender the gun immediately). There may be a requirement that you use your hands in the language, or at least specifies hand operation over other methods of manual operation that could be used against you, I haven't read the legal definition of a machine gun vs a non-machine gun in a while so I don't remember. If that is the case I do wonder if it's illegal to operate an otherwise legal Gatling with your feet. Typically the language does refer to a single [B]trigger pull[/B] resulting in multiple shots being fired as being a machine gun though, since Gatlings do not have a trigger per say, or at least not one that governs the operation of the whole thing they aren't machine guns even though they are capable of a high rate of fire. If you notice in the video, each of the guns attached to the Gatling rig are individually tagged rather than considered a part of one whole, though honestly the ATF's own interpretation of the law gets really bizarre there, I can go into that more if anyone is interested but I'm not aware that it has anything to do with Gatlings unless the Gatling has a machine gun as part of it's construction already. However if you're talking about hooking one up to an actual bicycle then that would definitely be illegal as the forward motion of a rolling bike could/would also power the gun without requiring you to pedal, like if you were riding it roll down hill for example.
[QUOTE=Penguiin;47165662]I am really curious how the ATF would classify this.. would it technically be a machine gun? Or would they consider it all individual semi-autos?[/QUOTE] I was looking in an auction book once, and there was a Gatling Gun for sell in it. It was classified as a pistol.
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