Total anarchy
What's the context for this? All I could discern is that a bunch of people will not be silenced in the face of someone's violence
[quote]There has been some confusion surrounding the events that took place at the "Informants: Types, Cases and Warning Signs" panel that took place at the year's Law and Disorder Conference.
Since the protest of the panel was a public Facebook event, people working for PSU discovered it and expressed concern to the organizers about the explicate threats of violence and safety of those at the conference. The school initially demanded a CPSO presence at the event, but bringing in the Portland Peace Patrol and Coast to Coast Event Security was the only compromise that prevented any initial CPSO presence.
Due to concerns of the safety of those involved, a Student Activities and Leadership Program (SALP) adviser was present at the event at their own behest. Concerned by the tone of the protest, they chose to have Campus Public Safety Office called. When campus public safety arrived the choice was made by the panelists to leave to avoid any confrontations with the protesters and the CPSO.
In summation: the CPSO were called by the school. Considering that the event is held at and funded by the school, the organizers were unable to prevent that, and the panelists dispersed to prevent action being taken by the CPSO. Hopefully this clears up any misunderstandings.
Sincerely,
Official Law and Disorder Committee[/quote]
[url]https://www.facebook.com/lawanddisorderconference[/url]
Holy shit I went to this event a few years ago
guess what
it devolved into chaos
[QUOTE=Kommodore;44812676]Holy shit I went to this event a few years ago
guess what
it devolved into chaos[/QUOTE]
Were you silenced in the face of their violence
Is it just me or do a lot of anarchist gatherings tend to end up with people just reciting cliched lines over and over? I can't take them seriously when everything they say sounds like a slogan.
[QUOTE=smurfy;44812682]Were you silenced in the face of their violence[/QUOTE]
basically the event somehow trickled down the grapevine in different versions until it got to my high school history teacher who said we'd get extra credit for going and writing about it. i think she thought it was a history thing.
except it was basically opinionated chaos, except ours had more weird old people
[QUOTE=squids_eye;44812690]Is it just me or do a lot of anarchist gatherings tend to end up with people just reciting cliched lines over and over? I can't take them seriously when everything they say sounds like a slogan.[/QUOTE]
Communism/anarchy is p much a cliche in itself
Can someone bring us up to speed as to why exactly people seem to hate this Kristian Williams person? I looked him up, and all I see is that he's an author that writes seemingly controversial books.
Just watching this mob mentality makes me feel like my iq is dropping.
i thought the title was "antichrist conference"
disappointed.
jesus someone break out the wonder bread and miracle whip in that room
i don't get it, is this some kind of anarcho-feminism protest against anarcho-socialism?
why are anarchists protesting their own conference.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;44813953]i don't get it, is this some kind of anarcho-feminism protest against anarcho-socialism?
why are anarchists protesting their own conference.[/QUOTE]
The differences between the different strands of anarchism are as varied as the different strands of liberalism, socialism, or conservatism.
It doesn't mean it isn't still utterly retarded for them not to band together in common interest, but still. These fellows seem to have forgotten that the point of Anarchism is the liberation of ALL people, not just the exclusive focusing on women's issues to the brutish exclusion and repulsion of all others.
Anarchism sort of requires an intelligent core grounded in political theory and willing to extend the branch to workers and common interests; not a bunch of 'stick-up-the-twat' feminazis who can fuck up any intelligent discussion as fast as this video demonstrates.
Anarchist conference?
Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?
These guys really think theyre the second coming of malcom x. Pathetic.
[QUOTE=Region;44814327]Anarchist conference?
Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?[/QUOTE]
no?
What the hell is going on??
I think i spotted Yawmen somewhere in that croud
Oh no another anarchist thread where anarchists can badly(barely) argue for a political system they advocate for
[QUOTE=Region;44814327]Anarchist conference?
Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?[/QUOTE]
yes, an ideology whose entire political methodology is based off of confederacies and federations and workers' councils and platforms
do people not even like understand what they're posting about ???
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];44817623']yes, an ideology whose entire political methodology is based off of confederacies and federations and workers' councils and platforms
do people not even like understand what they're posting about ???[/QUOTE]
yeah most people don't see how anarchists that form groups that have rules and essentially are a small form of government can possibly be anarchists
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44817634]yeah most people don't see how anarchists that form groups that have rules and essentially are a small form of government can possibly be anarchists[/QUOTE]
most people apparently don't undestand the distinctions between government and state either
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];44817647']most people apparently don't undestand the distinctions between government and state either[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government[/url]
not a huge one frankly. not a huge one.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44817581]Oh no another anarchist thread where anarchists can badly(barely) argue for a political system they advocate for[/QUOTE]
nobody is arguing unless you want to start
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44817668][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government[/url]
not a huge one frankly. not a huge one.[/QUOTE]
it is when you're talking philosophy and any politics and ideology outside of liberalism.
figures liberals don't even understand the basic concepts of their own ideology.
bet u havent even read locke u scrub
the thing about anarchy is that everyone likes their own kind of anarchy while simultaneously rejecting everyone else's version of anarchy as authoritarian and stupid and that their anarchy is better, thus causing shit like they never shutting the fuck up about the Ukraine Free Territory, while denying that Somalia is in anarchy despite not having a central government, or the atrocities that people can do in the absence of authority. it's just more of shit that appeals to rebellious teenagers because they like the rebellious teenagers that claim to be anarchists, than any sort of doctrine that could be successfully applied in real life without it collapsing into something else that relies on a significantly lower amount of magical thinking.
yeah it's all fun and "fuck the police" until somebody robs your fucking house, leaving you with fuck all but your precious anarchy, who do you go to then?
[QUOTE=Big Bang;44818208]the thing about anarchy is that everyone likes their own kind of anarchy while simultaneously rejecting everyone else's version of anarchy as authoritarian and stupid and that their anarchy is better, thus causing shit like they never shutting the fuck up about the Ukraine Free Territory, while denying that Somalia is in anarchy despite not having a central government, or the atrocities that people can do in the absence of authority. it's just more of shit that appeals to rebellious teenagers because they like the rebellious teenagers that claim to be anarchists, than any sort of doctrine that could be successfully applied in real life without it collapsing into something else that relies on a significantly lower amount of magical thinking.
yeah it's all fun and "fuck the police" until somebody robs your fucking house, leaving you with fuck all but your precious anarchy, who do you go to then?[/QUOTE]
except that that isn't the case at all
no one has "their own kind of anarchy", there's two conceptions: the incorrect one that says that communism=Stalina dn North Korea and fascism=the cops that was popular with punks who could care less about the philosophy of anarchism, and then anarchism. The former never counts and is completely irrelevant. The latter is important because it is relevant to this sort of stuff. Free Territory was mostly of the latter, but no one with half a brain would attempt to describe Somalia as being anywhere close to anarchistic in the sense of ideological anarchism.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44817668][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government[/url]
not a huge one frankly. not a huge one.[/QUOTE]
yes there is
let's put it another way
the state is the hardware. the government is the software
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];44818267']except that that isn't the case at all
no one has "their own kind of anarchy", there's two conceptions: the incorrect one that says that communism=Stalina dn North Korea and fascism=the cops that was popular with punks who could care less about the philosophy of anarchism, and then anarchism. The former never counts and is completely irrelevant. The latter is important because it is relevant to this sort of stuff. Free Territory was mostly of the latter, but no one with half a brain would attempt to describe Somalia as being anywhere close to anarchistic in the sense of ideological anarchism.[/QUOTE]
so instead you mean the overly complicated form of anarcho communism that appeals to pseudo intellectuals where you pretty much don't own anything, you only get what you need not what you want, and with the abolition of central authority and therefore personal rights leaving only the collective to voluntarily defend itself and its members in the face of outside threats?
the Ukrainian Free Territory was ruled by a warlord, Nestor Makhno, with an army. that's a de facto authority. they got their troops by conscription. they took their guns by stealing them from the enemy, Makhno is nothing better than Fidel Castro, or any of the warlords ruling different parts of Somalia. he sent soldiers, soldiers killed people, authority was established, the sole difference between this and most other societies is that his definition of soldier was "everybody that could hold a gun".
the other "example" of anarcho-communism, during the Spanish Revolution, similarly resorted to force in numbers to coerce people to collaborate. it's de facto authority, it's not actually anarchy and that's the sole reason it lasted more than a month.
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