Made some good points about trigger warnings being just another form of coddling.
"I stopped sleeping at regular hours, then I also stopped that pattern we're all used to - breakfast, lunch, dinner. I ate at random times."
That is pretty much the entirety of college. This guy knows the pain :v:
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Holy shit, 500 push-ups at the age of 71?! This guy is amazing.
I wonder if anyone who would benefit from trigger warnings thinks they're silly
That's not really supposed to imply anything, I'm just genuinely curious
[QUOTE=Foogooman;44995492]I wonder if anyone who would benefit from trigger warnings thinks they're silly
That's not really supposed to imply anything, I'm just genuinely curious[/QUOTE]
A lot of the time I think they're overused, and pretty popular to parody.
But honestly? I doesn't actually hurt anyone to include it. Dunno why people get so upiddy about them when they [I]are[/I] included in something.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;44995579]A lot of the time I think they're overused, and pretty popular to parody.
[B]But honestly? I doesn't actually hurt anyone to include it.[/B] Dunno why people get so upiddy about them when they [I]are[/I] included in something.[/QUOTE]
It isn't harmful treating people like they're 3rd graders with the equivalent of the teacher putting down her book and saying, in a whisper, "now this part's going to be [I]very[/I] mean, so cover your ears if you don't wanna hear it!"
Fuck that, these are adults we're talking about. Adults should deal with it, and if they [I]can't[/I] deal with it either learn how or seek professional help.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;44995579]A lot of the time I think they're overused, and pretty popular to parody.
But honestly? It doesn't actually hurt anyone to include it. Dunno why people get so upiddy about them when they [I]are[/I] included in something.[/QUOTE]
I think the thing people hate is the idiots on tumblr who say they get triggered by mention of white privilege or fat shaming. I'll admit, the shit those people say has kinda dulled the effect of the phrase "trigger warning" to me, but that doesn't make actual triggers somehow illegitimate. I like to think the people who abuse the term and the people who claim to hate it are both the (very vocal) minorities.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;44995621]It isn't harmful treating people like they're 3rd graders with the equivalent of the teacher putting down her book and saying, in a whisper, "now this part's going to be [I]very[/I] mean, so cover your ears if you don't wanna hear it!"[/QUOTE]
Why do we link porn and gore rather than image tag it?
How is it any different from a trigger warning? It's just a heads up that the content is probably offensive, disgusting/repulsive or otherwise probably not safe for work. It obviously covers a lot more than that, but I think you get the idea.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;44995629]I think the thing people hate is the idiots on tumblr who say they get triggered by mention of white privilege or fat shaming. I'll admit, the shit those people say has kinda dulled the effect of the phrase "trigger warning" to me, but that doesn't make actual triggers somehow illegitimate. I like to think the people who abuse the term and the people who claim to hate it are both the (very vocal) minorities.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I don't like overly minor TW's but then again it's just some text on a screen. Not really anything to get upset over.
[QUOTE=Foogooman;44995492]I wonder if anyone who would benefit from trigger warnings thinks they're silly
That's not really supposed to imply anything, I'm just genuinely curious[/QUOTE]
Depends what you mean by those who benefit. If we're talking about the ones who are coddled and just don't want to experience emotional distress from being exposed to something icky, then they probably don't think it's silly at all. If we're talking about people who have panic attacks from mundane things, then they must see how silly it is to try child-proofing everything.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;44995579]A lot of the time I think they're overused, and pretty popular to parody.
But honestly? I doesn't actually hurt anyone to include it. Dunno why people get so upiddy about them when they [I]are[/I] included in something.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing, to a certain degree there are warnings and no-one objects to that. The issue is to what degree do we provide these warnings, with a lot of these trigger warning campaigns wanting excessive warnings for the purpose of preventing emotional distress in adults.
It's funny really how most ESRB ratings provide information on what is appropriate for children and assume sensible adults can handle it, while this assumes that grown adults need to be protected like children. It really is ass-backwards.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;44995644]Why do we link porn and gore rather than image tag it?
How is it any different from a trigger warning? It's just a heads up that the content is probably offensive, disgusting/repulsive or otherwise probably not safe for work. It obviously covers a lot more than that, but I think you get the idea.[/QUOTE]
Posting a big fat image of a girl spraying liquid shit on her face in an otherwise pleasant discussion about video-games is [I]quite[/I] different from requiring books such as War and Peace to have something like [WARNING: THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH CONTAINS...] every time something that might "trigger" someone comes up.
It's really quite pathetic we're seriously having a discussion on how it's a good idea to treat adults like they're little kids. If you're at the point where you break into hysterics whenever someone mentions rape or violence, that would be a good time to [I]seek therapy.[/I]
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;44995579]A lot of the time I think they're overused, and pretty popular to parody.
But honestly? I doesn't actually hurt anyone to include it. Dunno why people get so upiddy about them when they [I]are[/I] included in something.[/QUOTE]
the person in the video demonstrates why he thinks it's a bad idea to coddle moldable children with trigger warnings
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;44995663]Posting a big fat image of a girl spraying liquid shit on her face in an otherwise pleasant discussion about video-games is [I]quite[/I] different from requiring books such as War and Peace to have something like [WARNING: THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH CONTAINS...] every time something that might "trigger" someone comes up.
It's really quite pathetic we're seriously having a discussion on how it's a good idea to treat adults like they're little kids. If you're at the point where you break into hysterics whenever someone mentions rape or violence, that would be a good time to [I]seek therapy.[/I][/QUOTE]
I gotta agree that TWs before every paragraph would be excessive, but a little note one of the first few pages saying that the book contains rape scenes or whatever other offensive content would be a lot more reasonable. It's not any different from ESRB ratings, though no one really reads or follows those :v:
Also I dunno how warning someone some disturbing content is coming up is treating adults like kids. Maybe I don't want to read a story if it contains some horrific/disturbing scene. I can't speak for anyone the usual TW's are targeted at, but it's not a huge deal.
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Oh, actually I see what the guy in the video is getting at, not sure if it's anything that new really.
Any extreme is probably a bad thing, not surprising that an extreme amount of TW's is problematic.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;44995732]Also I dunno how warning someone some disturbing content is coming up is treating adults like kids. Maybe I don't want to read a story if it contains some horrific/disturbing scene. I can't speak for anyone the usual TW's are targeted at, but it's not a huge deal.[/QUOTE]
The difference is that if an adult is exposed to something fucked up, you can just stop reading or watching and deal with it. If a kid is exposed to it, it can fuck them up and they can't deal with it, so you give warning.
What's the reason people try and warn adults of shit coming up, hurt feelings and emotional distress? No doubt there's plenty of that, vids of beheadings and bricks flying through car windshields for example, but you can deal with it and the stress of it is just something you have to get through as a functioning adult.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;44995791]The difference is that if an adult is exposed to something fucked up, you can just stop reading or watching and deal with it. If a kid is exposed to it, it can fuck them up and they can't deal with it, so you give warning.
What's the reason people try and warn adults of shit coming up, hurt feelings and emotional distress? No doubt there's plenty of that, vids of beheadings and bricks flying through car windshields for example, but you can deal with it and the stress of it is just something you have to get through as a functioning adult.[/QUOTE]
I guess I can't argue against that; you're right.
I thought it was more of a courtesy warning than anything, but I guess I'm wrong.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;44995791]The difference is that if an adult is exposed to something fucked up, you can just stop reading or watching and deal with it. If a kid is exposed to it, it can fuck them up and they can't deal with it, so you give warning.
What's the reason people try and warn adults of shit coming up, hurt feelings and emotional distress? No doubt there's plenty of that, vids of beheadings and bricks flying through car windshields for example, but you can deal with it and the stress of it is just something you have to get through as a functioning adult.[/QUOTE]
Can you name anything that needs a trigger warning that can fuck up kids? Beheadings don't count since they should have obvious gore warnings and that is no longer just a trigger warning.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44995897]Can you name anything that needs a trigger warning that can fuck up kids? Beheadings don't count since they should have obvious gore warnings and that is no longer just a trigger warning.[/QUOTE]
Drug use, heavy violence, torture, sexual violence, sex in general, it really depends on how old they are and the individual. Ranging from severe stress to long-term trauma, either way kids don't handle it as well as someone more mature.
The assumption is that by 18 you should be mature enough to handle it, even if plenty of people reach that point prior because who didn't watch porn before 18. The idea that an adult will get the same kind of stress from Irreversible as a kid is laughable.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;44995791]bricks flying through car windshields[/QUOTE]
Oh no, that video man.
You've done triggered me.
Y'know rape victims can have PTSD-induced panic attacks if they read about, see, hear about, or otherwise see a rape in a form of media
But no trigger warnings are just for silly feminists who want men to be castrated, obviously
[QUOTE=Devodiere;44995970]Drug use, heavy violence, torture, sexual violence, sex in general, it really depends on how old they are and the individual. Ranging from severe stress to long-term trauma, either way kids don't handle it as well as someone more mature.
The assumption is that by 18 you should be mature enough to handle it, even if plenty of people reach that point prior because who didn't watch porn before 18. The idea that an adult will get the same kind of stress from Irreversible as a kid is laughable.[/QUOTE]
Violence is not a trigger warning, it is a violence rating by itself. Violent media is not rated for children age range.
Drug use and sex won't scar kids' innocent minds. Or at least I don't see why they would. Only if its their parents' sex.
Each one of these has their own warning/guideline aka "dug use and extreme violence" and so on. None of that needs a fucking trigger warning. What is it going to even trigger in kids anyway?
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;44996022]Y'know rape victims can have PTSD-induced panic attacks if they read about, see, hear about, or otherwise see a rape in a form of media
But no trigger warnings are just for silly feminists who want men to be castrated, obviously[/QUOTE]
What a massive cop-out it is to claim it's done for the sake of PTSD victims. If you cared about their well-being, you'd tell them to seek help and get on with their lives rather than putting trigger warnings on everything.
This doesn't help the small minority of actual victims and it's clear that they're not the main reason for all this. Whether you have actual panic attacks or just a conditioned knee-jerk reaction to it, you should be able to manage it yourself rather than expecting others to protect you.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;44996084] you should be able to manage it yourself rather than expecting others to protect you.[/QUOTE]
I do agree with you but this part irks me a lot. Protection, at least partial, should be a part of modern society. We don't live in "everyone for themselves" world any more. A lot of problems could be fixed or avoided if we looked out for one another more and not just ourselves.
On the trigger warning thing- I see what you mean about how it's important for us to learn to process trauma as it is part of human nature. However, you have to be more sympathetic to these kids who are dealing with a lot of grief right now. The last thing they need is to be reminded of what's going on during class, which should be a time to learn.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44996074]Violence is not a trigger warning, it is a violence rating by itself. Violent media is not rated for children age range.
Drug use and sex won't scar kids' innocent minds. Or at least I don't see why they would. Only if its their parents' sex.
Each one of these has their own warning/guideline aka "dug use and extreme violence" and so on. None of that needs a fucking trigger warning. What is it going to even trigger in kids anyway?[/QUOTE]
I'd disagree that sex can't influence their sexual development but that's another debate. If you meant trigger warnings in particular then I agree that all such things are already covered by the warnings and ratings provided and an additional trigger warning is redundant.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44996099]I do agree with you but this part irks me a lot. Protection, at least partial, should be a part of modern society. We don't live in "everyone for themselves" world any more. A lot of problems could be fixed or avoided if we looked out for one another more and not just ourselves.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, it's not all or nothing. We aren't a complete individualist society but we don't expect paternalism either. Many of the warnings already in place do a sufficient job and further than that should be up to the individual rather than pushing plans which remove all responsibility for people to look after their own wellbeing.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;44996022]Y'know rape victims can have PTSD-induced panic attacks if they read about, see, hear about, or otherwise see a rape in a form of media
But no trigger warnings are just for silly feminists who want men to be castrated, obviously[/QUOTE]
There is a difference between trigger warnings for people suffering from PTSD and overly dramatic twats complaining that "ermahgerd your thing has a thing in it I hate I'm triggered bloo bloo", which cheapens the issue and does a disservice to the people who want actual trigger warnings for actual triggers.
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