[VOX] How the Republican Party went from Lincoln to Trump - General

It's about a year old, but with only 2 million views on a planet of over 6 billion, I think many of you missed it. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8VOM8ET1WU[/media] Oh how the mighty have fallen, remember when the Republican party was famous for wanting to abolish slavery? Too bad the majority of Conservatives/Republicans this day in age are in retrospect, the polar opposite of Lincolns Republican party.

Isn't this common knowledge taught in schools?

[QUOTE=Ott;53002979]Isn't this common knowledge taught in schools?[/QUOTE] There's plenty of schools outside of 'Merica.

[QUOTE=Ott;53002979]Isn't this common knowledge taught in schools?[/QUOTE] I dunno, there's plenty of things they don't teach down south

Did they ever release one on how the Democratic party went from JFK to Hillary Clinton? That's quite the fall from grace, as well.

[QUOTE=Ridge;53004746]Did they ever release one on how the Democratic party went from JFK to Hillary Clinton? That's quite the fall from grace, as well.[/QUOTE] Lol come off it. Did that video hurt or something.

[QUOTE=Ridge;53004746]Did they ever release one on how the Democratic party went from JFK to Hillary Clinton? That's quite the fall from grace, as well.[/QUOTE] So are you going to hold yourself accountable for your shit or sit here and waste everyone's time by deflecting?

[QUOTE=Ridge;53004746]Did they ever release one on how the Democratic party went from JFK to Hillary Clinton? That's quite the fall from grace, as well.[/QUOTE] A stumble versus a fucking faceplant my dude.

[QUOTE=Ridge;53004746]Did they ever release one on how the Democratic party went from JFK to Hillary Clinton? That's quite the fall from grace, as well.[/QUOTE] [video]https://youtu.be/Z6R0NvVr164[/video] Yes [editline]25th December 2017[/editline] Well FDR to Obama but whatever, Obama and Clinton's politics aren't really that different

[QUOTE=Ridge;53004746]Did they ever release one on how the Democratic party went from JFK to Hillary Clinton? That's quite the fall from grace, as well.[/QUOTE] First of all, the demonizing of Hillary is fucking outrageous. She has a really strong record serving the American people in a lot of positions including a fine job as secretary of state, and everything that's been thrown at her has been just the most horsecrap I've ever seen. She's just off-putting, not the devil herself. Everything that's been thrown her way is either partisan crap, lies, or shit that's been done worse by the very accusers that have fingered her. Second, she lost the damn election. She is no longer relevant in the public eye except as a scapegoat for Trump. Third, her position, policies and the like are still part of the party line. She's for all the things the party has stood for, and not a radical corrupt Cheeto made of seething hatred for everything not white or gold.

[QUOTE=doomkiwi;53004848]First of all, the demonizing of Hillary is fucking outrageous. She has a really strong record serving the American people in a lot of positions including a fine job as secretary of state, and everything that's been thrown at her has been just the most horsecrap I've ever seen. She's just off-putting, not the devil herself. Everything that's been thrown her way is either partisan crap, lies, or shit that's been done worse by the very accusers that have fingered her. Second, she lost the damn election. She is no longer relevant in the public eye except as a scapegoat for Trump. Third, her position, policies and the like are still part of the party line. She's for all the things the party has stood for, and not a radical corrupt Cheeto made of seething hatred for everything not white or gold.[/QUOTE] let me make a point about how donald trump is racist while making fun of the colour of his skin

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;53004865]let me make a point about how donald trump is racist while making fun of the colour of his skin[/QUOTE] uh, his race isn't spray tan

Is Cheetos a race?

[QUOTE=Domokun;53004929]Is Cheetos a race?[/QUOTE] this is the only evidence i could find on this subject [IMG]https://www.tradingpaints.com/showroom/thumbs/41692/1.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Ridge;53004746]Did they ever release one on how the Democratic party went from JFK to Hillary Clinton? That's quite the fall from grace, as well.[/QUOTE] JFK honestly wasn't that great

[QUOTE=Ridge;53004746]Did they ever release one on how the Democratic party went from JFK to Hillary Clinton? That's quite the fall from grace, as well.[/QUOTE] i dont know if you know this already but hillary hasn't been relevant for over a year now

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;53004865]let me make a point about how donald trump is racist while making fun of the colour of his skin[/QUOTE] ...are you joking or genuinely under the belief that the man has orange skin? Holy shit this could be one of the saddest things I've ever read.

That was quite enlightening. The Republicans really need to take a hard look at their platform after Trump is gone. What they're currently running with is entirely unsustainable (not to mention morally fucked).

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;53004865]let me make a point about how donald trump is racist while making fun of the colour of his skin[/QUOTE] Lol idiot cheetos arent people read the bible lmao

[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;53004865]let me make a point about how donald trump is racist while making fun of the colour of his skin[/QUOTE] Are we really going to reach the point where mocking someone's tan is considered racist?

[QUOTE=Ridge;53004746]Did they ever release one on how the Democratic party went from JFK to Hillary Clinton? That's quite the fall from grace, as well.[/QUOTE] I doubt you can actually argue why she's terrible [editline]25th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;53004865]let me make a point about how donald trump is racist while making fun of the colour of his skin[/QUOTE] Choices about how one applied self tanner are not racial choices, therefore shitting on him for his chosen way of presenting himself is validated

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;53004779]So are you going to hold yourself accountable for your shit or sit here and waste everyone's time by deflecting?[/QUOTE] I didn't vote for him, so I've got nothing to be held accountable for.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;53004805]A stumble versus a fucking faceplant my dude.[/QUOTE] Hilary Clinton being a nice media friendly asshole instead of blatant uncaring asshole like Trump isn't really a step up when the things that are occurring now in the world are as prevalent as they are.

[QUOTE=27X;53006121]Hilary Clinton being a nice media friendly asshole instead of blatant uncaring asshole like Trump isn't really a step up when the things a that are occurring now in the world are as prevalent as they are.[/QUOTE] I'm trying to figure out what you're trying to say, but I'm at a loss. What does this even mean? What things? Good things? Bad things?

[QUOTE=cdr248;53004949]JFK honestly wasn't that great[/QUOTE] This is completely true. Since he died 2 years into his term, people like to think about what he could have done and how things could have been better if only he was allowed to finish up his term. People like to believe that he wouldn't have involved us in Vietnam but before he was president, he claimed that Vietnam had to be protected at all costs otherwise SEA would be lost to communism. It was JFK's cabinet that convinced LBJ to escalate the vietnam war. Because of that, LBJ's highly successful administration, even more successful at passing progressive legislation and helping the poor and downtrodden than FDR, had his legacy ruined and is now overlooked or viewed as a bad president by the public. It was because of LBJ's civil rights legislation that racist voters felt betrayed by the democratic party and flocked to the republican party(Nixon also courted them and ended up betraying them and dismantling their institutions but that's another topic) JFK was another corporatist and he had no interest in civil rights until he was pushed to take a stance by increasing unrest in the south. He was a great public speaker and his handling of the cuban missile crisis was excellent but if you try to compile a list of his accomplishments, it's going to be a short one. [QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;53004865]let me make a point about how donald trump is racist while making fun of the colour of his skin[/QUOTE] he wasn't born with a cheap spray tan. Do you also have a "bluelivesmatter" sticker on your car that completely misses the point that nobody is born into a blue uniform? [editline]25th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Vodkavia;53006136]IMHO the point about the GoP being a white persons party in an increasingly non white country is going to be the death of it, the way it operates today is unsustainable. [B]The same can be said about the alt right. [/B] [/QUOTE] I'm not too sure about that. A lot of these so called whites are just light skin mexicans in denial or worse, they're slavs and italians

[QUOTE=27X;53006121]Hilary Clinton being a nice media friendly asshole instead of blatant uncaring asshole like Trump isn't really a step up when the things a that are occurring now in the world are as prevalent as they are.[/QUOTE] Clinton would be vastly more competent at addressing these problems. As an added bonus she wouldn't call Nazis nice people or support an alleged pedophile.

[QUOTE=27X;53006121]Hilary Clinton being a nice media friendly asshole instead of blatant uncaring asshole like Trump isn't really a step up when the things a that are occurring now in the world are as prevalent as they are.[/QUOTE] You could vote on policy too rather than what you think about them as people Expanded healthcare access, increased Obamacare subsidies, free college available based on family income, the retention of trade, infrastructure plan widely endorsed by economists, subsidized childcare, finance regulations, actual acknowledgement of medical and environmental research, an attempt to work around citizens united, etc.. Like it may not be your ideal but for the most part it's many steps forward lol.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;53006279]You could vote on policy too rather than what you think about them as people Expanded healthcare access, increased Obamacare subsidies, free college available based on family income, the retention of trade, infrastructure plan widely endorsed by economists, subsidized childcare, finance regulations, actual acknowledgement of medical and environmental research, an attempt to work around citizens united, etc.. Like it may not be your ideal but for the most part it's many steps forward lol.[/QUOTE] Your fanciful assumption she would have kept ANY of her promises other than deregulating wall street and beefing up defense spending are pure speculation. The assumption that the democratic program would have continued unhindered especially in a republican controlled legislative branch are more likely wishful thinking than anything else. Secondly the DNC did not "vote on policy", they colluded, they lied, and they attempted to alter outcomes same as the republicans did, except by and large they were actually more successful at it, and here we are. 👌

[QUOTE=27X;53007037][B]Your fanciful assumption she would have kept ANY of her promises other than deregulating wall street and beefing up defense spending are pure speculation. The assumption that the democratic program would have continued unhindered especially in a republican controlled legislative branch are more likely wishful thinking than anything else.[/B] Secondly the DNC did not "vote on policy", they colluded, they lied, and they attempted to alter outcomes same as the republicans did, except by and large they were actually more successful at it, and here we are.[/QUOTE]Putting the conspiracy aside because it's just such a dull argument due to the required assumptions. Along with my original post being about individuals. That is just pure, awful statistics to say that politicians don't attempt to fulfil the majority of their promises, [URL="https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-keep-most-of-their-promises/"]you know that right[/URL]? And claiming that the democrats wouldn't have attempted to fulfil these things is especially silly given that many of these promises got literally written into the entire democratic party platform. Of course, you are right that the house and senate were likely to have remained under Republican control which would have been a massive hindrance, but that's not actually relevant to what we were talking about. We're on facepunch so I'm assuming you would have been happy/happier voting for Bernie, but obstructionism would apply to him just as well, but worse. Because along with Republicans fighting him, he'd have a group of rebellious democratic congressmen working against him too.

[QUOTE=27X;53007037] Secondly the DNC did not "vote on policy", they colluded, they lied, and they attempted to alter outcomes same as the republicans did, [B]except by and large they were actually more successful at it, and here we are.[/B] [/QUOTE] right i forgot the dems won the presidency and are now passing fuck awful bills getting rid of healtcare and fucking everyone over with scribbled in tax laws :downs: