Dear Publishers: Stop censoring your games, it's not helping (self Posted) - General

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Developers are changing their games to suit the demands of the market. "People are complaining that the camera focuses on this one girl character's giant ass, let's change it because we might get more sales" is not censorship call me when a government is ordering a game changed, then you'll have [I]real[/I] censorship

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49695583]Developers are changing their games to suit the demands of the market. "People are complaining that the camera focuses on this one girl character's giant ass, let's change it because we might get more sales" is not censorship call me when a government is ordering a game changed, then you'll have [I]real[/I] censorship[/QUOTE] I can see why someone would believe censorship is a governmental thing but by definition self censorship is still a form of censorship. I feel like you didn't watch the entire video since the "demands of the market" are clearly not going towards censorship if we consider the consumer. Sexy japanese games are selling more and more in the west. Games like Honnie Pop and skull girls have sold hundreds of thousands of copies on steam alone. Dead or alive Extreme 1 and 2 sold more in the west than in Japan. If a game doesn't want to have sex in it I am fine with that. But I am certain sex doesn't stop sells. In fact there is a famous saying "sex sells".

idk why is an animation of her ass that important

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49695583]Developers are changing their games to suit the demands of the market. "People are complaining that the camera focuses on this one girl character's giant ass, let's change it because we might get more sales" is not censorship call me when a government is ordering a game changed, then you'll have [I]real[/I] censorship[/QUOTE] Because it's only censorship when the government does it. What.

[QUOTE=Pascall;49695651]idk why is an animation of her ass that important[/QUOTE] It's one of the most iconic things about her character. It hurts the way the super looks on top of that. The reason for censoring it didn't make much sense and there is simply the principle of the thing. Maybe it's just because of my ideology but I can never see censorship as "just censorship". I believe any form of censorship should be taken seriously. On top of it, all it accomplishes is angering fans which companies need to survive.

[QUOTE=Pascall;49695651]idk why is an animation of her ass that important[/QUOTE] I don't care at all about her butt slap, but don't like how the whole startup animation is angled compared to the original one. It lacks real focus and the camera is just awkwardly focusing on her elbow and shoulder. Like why even have her do the animation at all if you're not going to show it? I'm also not sure why they removed the leg split at the end of the move either. It makes it have a lot less power behind it with the legs just dangling there and having both of them doing a weird looking single arm flex instead. Honestly, if they're really determined to not have the butt slap, I wouldn't mind if they just redid the start up animation entirely and have the whole thing not having awkward camera angles just hide a butt being slapped.

i feel like her character should be better developed if removing an ass-slap tarnishes it ? ? ??? im not gonna understand your POV because i dont play street fighter but i think its rly silly to hinge the entirety of whether or not you enjoy playing a character in a video game to whether or not she slaps her ass so you can see it. i mean i play skullgirls and i like the characters enough that if they covered them up, it doesn't change the way i perceive the character or the game cuz it works the exact same. but i mean you do you ? ?? i guess?? i dunno. just seems like a very poor argument but everyone seems to go insane when someone makes something a little less blatantly sexual so im not gonna spend an hour trying to write out a debate stance or anything lol [editline]7th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Captain;49695799]I don't care at all about her butt slap, but don't like how the whole startup animation is angled compared to the original one. It lacks real focus and the camera is just awkwardly focusing on her elbow and shoulder. Like why even have her do the animation at all if you're not going to show it? I'm also not sure why they removed the leg split at the end of the move either. It makes it have a lot less power behind it with the legs just dangling there and having both of them doing a weird looking single arm flex instead. Honestly, if they're really determined to not have the butt slap, I wouldn't mind if they just redid the start up animation entirely and have the whole thing not having awkward camera angles just hide a butt being slapped.[/QUOTE] so it's not so much the buttslap as it is the janky cover up, which makes more sense to me than "it's a part of her character" i see your point on this one. imo if they are gonna cover something up like this, at least do it appropriately. but i feel like maybe they didnt have enough time to do it properly. who knows.

[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;49695658]Because it's only censorship when the government does it. What.[/QUOTE] um, yes? that is in fact the definition of censorship

[QUOTE=Pascall;49695651]idk why is an animation of her ass that important[/QUOTE] Because this kind of censorship is stupid. Before this no one gave a shit about the whole ass thing, not in the same way as people do now. It was just part of the series pretty much everyone got used to. Censorship, blatant and open one, shittily done might I add, brings more attention than any camera focus ever could.

[QUOTE=Pascall;49695828]i feel like her character should be better developed if removing an ass-slap tarnishes it ? ? ???[/QUOTE] Mika is a developed character. She is outgoing and hot blooded. Her ass slap fits perfectly with that. It's a great way of expressing her personality. [editline]7th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Starlight 456;49695843]um, yes? that is in fact the definition of censorship[/QUOTE] I am using wikipedia buuuuut [QUOTE]Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;49695850]Mika is a developed character. She is outgoing and hot blooded. Her ass slap fits perfectly with that. It's a great way of expressing her personality.[/QUOTE] yeah but she can be hotblooded and saucy without slapping her ass lol there's like a million and one things she could probably do that's cooler ! you even showed some clips in your video that had her doing some cool actions. like i said im not gonna see what you see lmao but boy it just seems very flimsy to me

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49695843]um, yes? that is in fact the definition of censorship[/QUOTE] It literally isn't, it's someone taking out parts of entertainment that they think shouldn't be there for whatever reason

[QUOTE=gudman;49695849]Because this kind of censorship is stupid. Before this no one gave a shit about the whole ass thing, not in the same way as people do now. It was just series pretty much everyone got used to. Censorship, blatant and open one, shittily done might I add, brings more attention than any camera focus ever could.[/QUOTE] so people want to play things that don't have butt slaps idk that's not asking a whole lot tbh maybe the publishers were pressured and maybe they weren't and just thought it was a good idea. but this is likely gonna be one of those threads where everyone uses the "sjw" scapegoat as reasoning so...

[QUOTE=Pascall;49695651]idk why is an animation of her ass that important[/QUOTE] I don't think it is either but I also don't see why it was removed.

[QUOTE=Pascall;49695868]yeah but she can be hotblooded and saucy without slapping her ass lol there's like a million and one things she could probably do that's cooler ![/QUOTE] Except it fits her character so well. You can't just take something out and go "Well there could have been something cooler". Maybe you would have a point if they replaced it with something else but they didn't. As Captain said, they could have at least redid the animation. Besides, I find the ass slap cool. Just like how I find Ryu's Hadouken super cool. Each super matches each character and tells you a bit about their personality. That's the best you can expect.

could be a very quick and poorly thought out way to make their game a little more accessible to younger kids. i mean younger kids probably shouldn't be playing street fighter either way but, that's why i call it a poor cover up. these kinds of things should be decided from the conception of a video game, not at the last minute. that's how situations like these arise, because developers and publishers can't decide on who they want their demographic to be and who they want to cater to. you can't make a game where characters are overtly sexualized and then remove one aspect of it and expect it to make the grade. if you want a game to be a little more adult, then fine, commit to it otherwise, don't start off with adult concepts in the first place and go another route. AS A WHOLE the buttslap seems trivial, at best, to me personally but the way it was handled was bad and a result of poor planning and poor communication.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49695843]um, yes? that is in fact the definition of censorship[/QUOTE] [url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/censorship?s=t[/url] note the lack of the word government.

[QUOTE=Pascall;49695889]so people want to play things that don't have butt slaps idk [/QUOTE] If they don't like Butt slaps then there probably weren't fans of street fighter since it wouldn't be the first time ass got center stage of a character. I don't see why people who probably don't care very much about street fighter should get attention over actual fans of street fighter.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;49695906]Except it fits her character so well. You can't just take something out and go "Well there could have been something cooler". Maybe you would have a point if they replaced it with something else but they didn't. As Captain said, they could have at least redid the animation. Besides, I find the ass slap cool. Just like how I find Ryu's Hadouken super cool. Each super matches each character and tells you a bit about their personality. That's the best you can expect.[/QUOTE] i guess if there was a scene where ryu slapped his ass too i might feel differently i dont know just seems like a very heavy, necessary cop-out in lieu of another action to carry out said personality traits. [editline]7th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;49695915]If they don't like Butt slaps then there probably weren't fans of street fighter since it wouldn't be the first time ass got center stage of a character. I don't see why people who probably don't care very much about street fighter should get attention over actual fans of street fighter.[/QUOTE] afaik, there were quite a few fans of the game who vouched for the action to be removed. i doubt it's as simple as "these people don't play SF so they shouldn't get a say".

[QUOTE=Pascall;49695918]i guess if there was a scene where ryu slapped his ass too i might feel differently i dont know [/QUOTE] Ryu isn't the type of character to do that. Every character has his or her own way of expressing themselves. It would almost be like taking the oil away from Hakans ult because the idea of a muscly, hot and red man rubbing oil all over his skin might bother someone.

well i know that but im saying if there were any other character actions that were on the same level as that, it might be different. the ass slap, whether we disagree or not, is a sexual act to the general public. but there aren't any other character actions that seem to be on par with it. so if the other characters can get away with not having anything that hits that bar of "sexual", then im sure mika can do it too. but like i said this is more of a result of poor planning, rather than a ravenous fanbase crying out for censorship

[QUOTE=Pascall;49695889]so people want to play things that don't have butt slaps idk that's not asking a whole lot tbh maybe the publishers were pressured and maybe they weren't and just thought it was a good idea. but this is likely gonna be one of those threads where everyone uses the "sjw" scapegoat as reasoning so...[/QUOTE] Usually when people want to play things that have/don't have something, you'll find some mentions of that on Reddit, on forums, somewhere... And yet pretty much everything about this leads to the controversy one way or the other. As I said, no one gave a single flying fuck about the "ass slaps" and the like before they decided to cut it out. Like, I get it that's the decision made by people who made the game, at least on publisher level. That's their right to do as they see fit, it's not the same as if they were outright pressed into it. However, their handling of this has been really clumsy and the trend itself seems to be kind of disconcerting (DOA3, not that I personally give a shit about the series tbh). As far as your "SJW scapegoat", well I've no doubt this has to do with this internet outrage culture aka SJW.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49695843]um, yes? that is in fact the definition of censorship[/QUOTE] Dunno, most people that I've interacted with that say this then turn around and cry about censorship when its something they care about, eg LGBT issues in Steven Universe.

[QUOTE=Pascall;49695938]well i know that but im saying if there were any other character actions that were on the same level as that, it might be different. the ass slap, whether we disagree or not, is a sexual act to the general public. but there aren't any other character actions that seem to be on par with it. so if the other characters can get away with not having anything that hits that bar of "sexual", then im sure mika can do it too. but like i said this is more of a result of poor planning, rather than a ravenous fanbase crying out for censorship[/QUOTE] Poison if far more sexual in my opinion. Her entire move set is sexual domination. Ryu has his own "Sexy" costume now, Juri makes innuendos and is confirmed to be turned on by the people she is fighting. Street fighter is a sexy game.

[QUOTE=gudman;49695942]Usually when people want to play things that have/don't have something, you'll find some mentions of that on Reddit, on forums, somewhere... And yet pretty much everything about this leads to the controversy one way or the other. As I said, no one gave a single flying fuck about the "ass slaps" and the like before they decided to cut it out. Like, I get it that's the decision made by people who made the game, at least on publisher level. That's their right to do as they see fit, it's not the same as if they were outright pressed into it. However, their handling of this has been really clumsy and the trend itself seems to be kind of disconcerting (DOA3, not that I personally give a shit about the series tbh). As far as your "SJW scapegoat", well I've no doubt this has to do with this internet outrage culture aka SJW.[/QUOTE] you just kinda proved my point ! either way, publishers, especially of large franchises like street fighter are likely not going to be bullied by a bunch of teenagers on tumblr and probably made the decision for reasons beyond that because there are many other factors that attribute to the removal of a certain feature in a game. a surprising amount of game devs don't even know about social media (u would think that they do but some of them are very oblivious) so to attribute it entirely to "sjws" is trying too hard.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49695947]Dunno, most people that I've interacted with that say this then turn around and cry about censorship when its something they care about, eg LGBT issues in Steven Universe.[/QUOTE] Russia and many Asian countries don't allow homosexuality on television. It's amazing how there are a lot of people ok with one type of censorship but not another. Censorship is censorship. You can't go "Well, just censor the things I don't like" because it doesn't work like that. [editline]7th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pascall;49695956]you just kinda proved my point ! either way, publishers, especially of large franchises like street fighter are likely not going to be bullied by a bunch of teenagers on tumblr and probably made the decision for reasons beyond that because there are many other factors that attribute to the removal of a certain feature in a game. a surprising amount of game devs don't even know about social media (u would think that they do but some of them are very oblivious) so to attribute it entirely to "sjws" is trying too hard.[/QUOTE] But we know for a fact that big publishers do care. See the reason why DOAX3 isn't coming to the west. Huge big name publishers are scared of the backlash.

there's a difference in those two in that LGBT issues being censored actively leads to more people of LGBT persuasion to suffer from exclusion, prejudice, and possible violence while censoring an ass slap probably won't...do anything...... [editline]8th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;49695964] But we know for a fact that big publishers do care. See the reason why DOAX3 isn't coming to the west. Huge big name publishers are scared of the backlash.[/QUOTE] and im saying the backlash that makes them afraid is not exclusively coming from teenage girls

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;49695964] It's amazing how there are a lot of people ok with one type of censorship but not another. Censorship is censorship. You can't go "Well, just censor the things I don't like" because it doesn't work like that. [/QUOTE] People can and people do. They're being idiots but whatever. Worst of all, feminists and the religious right have formed an unholy alliance on sexuality in games. [IMG]http://www.reaxxion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CHgi2MJWgAALnbj.png_large.png[/IMG] And we'll be adding violence to that list soon.

anita and jonathan are hardly examples of your average consumer in that they are both kind of bad