Cemu emulator 1.7.4 - improvements and Zelda gameplay - General

Botw, Twilight princess, Smash Bros, Fast Neo Racing, Xenobleade Chronicles X (it's the lights) [video=youtube;B548VlSXykI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B548VlSXykI[/video] Some Zelda footage of the beginning area in 4K - runs pretty smooth You can compare it to the last video in the same area by the same guy to see massive difference [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Au_XrDKQ0"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Au_XrDKQ0[/URL] It doesn't work this great for everybody. It seems the emulator doesn't like AMD cards. [video=youtube;t15a0tJxlrU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t15a0tJxlrU[/video] Many different areas - may contain spoilers [video=youtube;kJdGsdzUBQ4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJdGsdzUBQ4&t=282s[/video] Edit: I messed up the thread icon, it should be Wii U ! Can a mod please change it, so people don't get confused.

Man, there's still a long way to go but I'm happy to see development is going well.

I'm still surprised this has not been taken down. It gets constant media attention as well as a rather healthy patreon.

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;52048103]cause emulation is not illegal??[/QUOTE] It doesnt need to be, nintendo could easily bleed the devs out just with court/processing money

[QUOTE=surfur;52048044]I'm still surprised this has not been taken down. It gets constant media attention as well as a rather healthy patreon.[/QUOTE] You can rip everything from you wiiu making it legal.

[QUOTE=WhyNott;52048114]It doesnt need to be, nintendo could easily bleed the devs out just with court/processing money[/QUOTE] That's what Sony did to Bleem and Connectix Virtual Game Station. Bleem went bankrupt, but Sony lost in court. They could not not fully stop the other company, so they actually had to buy the Virtual Game Station company to shut the emulator down: [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGHul1PrXCE"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGHul1PrXCE[/URL] Also, God knows where Cemu devs are from, maybe in their country the laws simply prevent Nintendo to making a lawsuit. The emulator could run other big Nintendo games several months ago, so it they could, I think they would probably have done it. Not much point doing it now when Wii U is being abandoned.

I reckon if Nintendo could do anything about it, they would already have. I mean they pay such attention that random fan games like pokemon uranium are stopped. There's [I]no way[/I] they don't know about this, and they're probably extremely salty about it too.

I think its disappointing in that there's no doubt people will pirate BotW to play on CEMU when Nintendo deserves every bit of money for making that game imo

[QUOTE=Joshii;52048343]I think its disappointing in that there's no doubt people will pirate BotW to play on CEMU when Nintendo deserves every bit of money for making that game imo[/QUOTE] Yeah, people already make claims like "lol, who needs a switch, why would you even buy it if games run on pc better". Shit doesn't pay for itself.

Those 1.7.3 bugs are so strange, like the missing water physics and your powers not working, when I think about emulator bugs I usually imagine poor performance and broken visuals, not gameplay elements as if it was a regular buggy game. Is Cemu using an interpreter or a recompiler for the CPU?

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;52048103]cause emulation is not illegal??[/QUOTE] It's considered fair use if the creators of the emulator only use their own code. So creating an emulator is not illegal. Downloading roms if you don't own the game is though. If you own the game it's still a legal grey area. So yeah.

[QUOTE=Joshii;52048343]I think its disappointing in that there's no doubt people will pirate BotW to play on CEMU when Nintendo deserves every bit of money for making that game imo[/QUOTE] I'll buy the game and play it on the Switch, but if it can be fully played without many issues in the future, akin to Twilight Princess/Wind Waker on Dolphin, at 1080 with Anti-Aliasing, you bet your ass I'll be downloading it and playing it that way, too

[QUOTE=Joshii;52048343]I think its disappointing in that there's no doubt people will pirate BotW to play on CEMU when Nintendo deserves every bit of money for making that game imo[/QUOTE] If Nintendo wanted the PC market they should release the game on PC. It doesn't make pirating the game [I]right[/I], but when they refuse to let people play their games without buying their hardware, when people already have machines that can run the game better than on that hardware, I don't see how anybody can be surprised when people get fed up. BotW is effectively a $360 game.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;52048536]If Nintendo wanted the PC market they should release the game on PC. It doesn't make pirating the game [I]right[/I], but when they refuse to let people play their games without buying their hardware, when people already have machines that can run the game better than on that hardware, I don't see how anybody can be surprised when people get fed up. BotW is effectively a $360 game.[/QUOTE] They're not after the PC market though? they've always done their own thing since the Wii and Nintendo have no reason to release it on PC if they don't want to, same can be said for any other console exclusive.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;52048536]If Nintendo wanted the PC market they should release the game on PC. It doesn't make pirating the game [I]right[/I], but when they refuse to let people play their games without buying their hardware, when people already have machines that can run the game better than on that hardware, I don't see how anybody can be surprised when people get fed up. BotW is effectively a $360 game.[/QUOTE] That's a dumb perspective. You are basically asking a developer to give up their market in favor of another. Nintendo develops games for their own platforms because they want their games to be best played on their systems. It's been always like that. Having the Cemu version running won't get you the portability of the Switch, because not even using a laptop will get you the same experience. Also, the PS4 was basically a 470 eu Killzone machine for its first year. Calling consoles X game machines is dumb as well. Obviously there will be a lack of games at release. This changes over time.

[QUOTE=Antimuffin;52048373]Yeah, people already make claims like "lol, who needs a switch, why would you even buy it if games run on pc better". Shit doesn't pay for itself.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the Switch and Wii U are both garbage. I'll buy a Nintendo console when they make something worth my cash again. That being said, I bought a Wii U copy of this game to support development because it's the right thing to do.

I'm not suggesting that Nintendo should never make consoles, I'm just saying that an enormous amount of Nintendo piracy is fueled by people who love their games and want nothing to do with their hardware. If they released PC ports their piracy problem would go away overnight. Piracy is a problem of convenience (mostly) and console exclusives are extremely inconvenient. If a couple of people working for free can emulate their consoles every generation and make viable PC ports, it's hardly impossible for a massive company like Nintendo to do it. Maybe it's not worth the money they'd have to put into it, I don't know the logistics.

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;52048646]Yeah, the Switch and Wii U are both garbage. I'll buy a Nintendo console when they make something worth my cash again. [/QUOTE] The Switch is not "garbage." It's one of the best, if not the best console Nintendo has ever put out. The idea of combining the best of both worlds (home console and handheld console) is something that I especially wanted to see in a long time. The console is well produced (minus the plastic screen) and the success it currently has is well deserved. Yes, it feels underpowered (not for being portable though) but the path it opens for the future is great and I can't wait for all the games it gets. You will also never see a powerful console by them that can compete with the latest console by Microsoft and Sony (if that is what you consider "worth your cash"). It will never happen, because Nintendo is not in a position like Sony or Microsoft to put pressure on manufacturers to get specific good hardware cheap. They don't have this kind of power. The Wii U however was really bad. No attractive design and unclear goals imo.

[QUOTE=Antimuffin;52048666]The Switch is not "garbage." It's one of the best, if not the best console Nintendo has ever put out. The idea of combining the best of both worlds (home console and handheld console) is something that I especially wanted to see in a long time. The console is well produced (minus the plastic screen) and the success it currently has is well deserved. [/QUOTE] It's a very underclocked version of my Nvidia Shield TV from 2 years ago. It's a cheap knock-off of the Nvidia Shield Tablet which did everything you mentioned is revolutionary 3 yeas ago, and it has a plastic LCD screen scratched by it's own dock. Not really interested. [editline]lmao[/editline] [QUOTE=Antimuffin;52048666] You will also never see a powerful console by them that can compete with the latest console by Microsoft and Sony (if that is what you consider "worth your cash"). It will never happen, because Nintendo is not in a position like Sony or Microsoft to put pressure on manufacturers to get specific good hardware cheap. They don't have this kind of power.[/QUOTE] What is this nonsense?? All of Nintendo's consoles were competitive or industry leading up until the Gamecube's release. On top of that Nintendo is one of the only manufacturers to get Nvidia's Tegra X1 SOCs. They're also one of the biggest game companies on Earth. Nvidia or ATI would jump for joy at the chance to give them flagship chips.

I'd like to see how it performs in the lost woods and towns

[QUOTE=God of Ashes;52048679]I'd like to see how it performs in the lost woods and towns[/QUOTE] There's some videos of it up online. Apparently the performance issue there is GPU related rather than CPU as CEMU isn't bothered by it one bit.

[QUOTE=1/4 Life;52048677]It's a very underclocked version of my Nvidia Shield TV from 2 years ago. It's a cheap knock-off of the Nvidia Shield Tablet which did everything you mentioned is revolutionary 3 yeas ago, and it has a plastic LCD screen scratched by it's own dock. Not really interested.[/QUOTE] Isn't the Shield basically a streaming device? And where can you play Nintendo games on it?

[QUOTE=Antimuffin;52048683]Isn't the Shield basically a streaming device? And where can you play Nintendo games on it?[/QUOTE] No, the Shield has a (not extremely underclocked) Tegra X1 in it. A wine-like piece of software could easily make it play Shield games better than the Shield does. It also has a great library of it's own games, including Metal Gear Rising.

The Gamecube was not successful despite stronger hardware than the PS2. Ever since then they have focused on features rather than power. And I'm pretty sure that the stuff they get is still expensive (in terms of Switch), compared to how Microsoft and Sony handle it with the manufacturers. [QUOTE=1/4 Life;52048693]No, the Shield has a (not extremely underclocked) Tegra X1 in it. A wine-like piece of software could easily make it play Shield games better than the Shield does. It also has a great library of it's own games, including Metal Gear Rising.[/QUOTE] The Shield has an unattractive design and doesn't offer me the games I want to play. I can finely play Rising on my computer.

[QUOTE=Antimuffin;52048711]The Shield has an unattractive design and doesn't offer me the games I want to play. I can finely play Rising on my computer.[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to say the Shield is a better console here or that you should go buy it, I am merely using it as an example of why the Switch is not worth my time from a hardware standpoint and just how out of date it is at launch. There's no need to attack the Shield to defend your purchases, and I can offer you plenty of other hardware examples. Google's own Pixel C tablet has Nvidia's Tegra X1 in it at higher than Switch clock speeds.

Like I said, they don't offer me the games and I didn't mean to attack it. The main reason to get a hardware console like Nintendo's [I]are[/I] their games. It's nice that the Pixel C has higher clock speed but what makes a gaming console special are simply the games. And Nintendo delivers every time, even with a failed console like the Wii U. Why is the hardware standpoint even so important to you? Aren't the games the important factor here?

[QUOTE=Antimuffin;52048761]Like I said, they don't offer me the games. The main reason to get a hardware console like Nintendo's [I]are[/I] their games. It's nice that the Pixel C has higher clock speed but what makes a gaming console special are simply the games. And Nintendo delivers every time, even with a failed console like the Wii U. Why is the hardware standpoint even so important to you? Aren't the games the important factor here?[/QUOTE] May I remind you that you're in an emulator thread? What games run natively on a console is a moot point here. My point is why buy hardware when there's already 3 other pieces of identical hardware in my house that would do the job better? I'd much rather just buy the software as I have. I'd argue the mere fact that I can say this is evidence of failure in the hardware development portion of the Switch. A PS4 or Xbox One (I own neither) are useful in that they have exclusives I can't run on anything I own right now, and probably won't for quite some time. Switch emulation in the short term is an inevitability, and Switch via Wine-like wrapper on Shield consoles is definitely in the cards. It's even stranger right now because the Wii U and Switch versions of BOTW have identical graphics settings other than resolution, which is what already makes CEMU (nearly) a better experience than having a docked Switch.

[QUOTE=Antimuffin;52048761]Like I said, they don't offer me the games. The main reason to get a hardware console like Nintendo's [I]are[/I] their games. It's nice that the Pixel C has higher clock speed but what makes a gaming console special are simply the games. And Nintendo delivers every time, even with a failed console like the Wii U. Why is the hardware standpoint even so important to you? Aren't the games the important factor here?[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand his argument here. He's saying he already CAN play the games on PC once it inevitably becomes emulatable a couple years down the line. He can buy the games themselves to support the devs, but emulate on PC, so the hardware is worthless to him.

[QUOTE=WhyNott;52048114]It doesnt need to be, nintendo could easily bleed the devs out just with court/processing money[/QUOTE] Yeah that worked out great for them last time.

whenever (possibly years from now) cemu is in near perfect working order i'm going to be playing botw on it exclusively and probably just sell my wii u copy framerate consistency + cheats would make botw a blast [editline]2nd April 2017[/editline] and maybe better loading times as well