• Ensemble Staging | Every Frame A Painting
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Jesus Christ the "always closeup" style angers me. As always the nerdist provides again.
[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;49424496]Jesus Christ the "always closeup" style angers me. As always the nerdist provides again.[/QUOTE] that combined with the constant cutting of every scene in every modern movie made up of multiple takes (and even some continuity errors between the shots (one of the resident evil movies did this blatantly in a shower scene)) just makes me not want to watch movies anymore.
[QUOTE=usaokay;49425142]Yep. When I was an extra in a movie, there was so many repositioning of the camera that shooting took almost the entire day to complete. And it was for a minute scene.[/QUOTE] while pointless repositioning takes time, is useless and looks generic and bland, good repositioning can do amazing things. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7RCibEHe_o[/media] 1:10 Not the best example but this does the job
[QUOTE=usaokay;49425142]Yep. When I was an extra in a movie, there was so many repositioning of the camera that shooting took almost the entire day to complete. And it was for a minute scene.[/QUOTE] tbh a day for a minute scene isn't exactly unusual
[QUOTE=autodesknoob;49426536]while pointless repositioning takes time, is useless and looks generic and bland, good repositioning can do amazing things. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7RCibEHe_o[/media] 1:10 Not the best example but this does the job[/QUOTE]oh god im sorry, but i hate shaky cam in stories where the camera isn't a part of the universe
[QUOTE=artDecor;49438854]oh god im sorry, but i hate shaky cam in stories where the camera isn't a part of the universe[/QUOTE] a slightly handheld look isn't the same thing as shaky camera
Handheld is a stylistic choice, it's not just used to represent someone holding a camera.
A little shaky cam gives a scene motion. It allows you to convey the emotions of the characters rather then having a completely still ~artsy~ look.
For example, as a person in multiple video classes you see a LOT of tripod repositioning. I'm guilty of it myself, honestly. And as a result, pretty much all our videos look super static and boring. My friend, on the other hand, goes for more handheld shots and as a result they feel more dynamic, regardless of the actual shot composition itself. It can show emotion for sure and that should be its primary use, but it can also just add variety to what would otherwise be something super still and boring.
[QUOTE=Fish_poke;49451508]For example, as a person in multiple video classes you see a LOT of tripod repositioning. I'm guilty of it myself, honestly. And as a result, pretty much all our videos look super static and boring. My friend, on the other hand, goes for more handheld shots and as a result they feel more dynamic, regardless of the actual shot composition itself. It can show emotion for sure and that should be its primary use, but it can also just add variety to what would otherwise be something super still and boring.[/QUOTE] Coming from a VFX background, it's always glaringly obvious when cheap CGI or other effects are used when it's a static tripod shot, because it's so much easier to mask stuff when you don't have to track camera movements and stuff
When I was learning to cam op in film school, they said even when on a tripod, to not keep it 'Too still' or it would look a little unnatural, and make it harder to motivate edits. There's often supposed to be a little bit of breathing with a camera on a tripod for some realness.
[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;49424496]Jesus Christ the "always closeup" style angers me. As always the nerdist provides again.[/QUOTE] Close ups should be used sparingly for them to be used effectively, but a lot of directors just spam them which means in the more emotional scenes the closeups have less impact.
I want to be able to see the PORES on everyone's faces at all times! Otherwise how will I let the audience know that something is supposed to convey emotion?
I thought this guy's name was familiar, he directed Snowpiercer. No wonder it was a well-shot film.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;49451568]Coming from a VFX background, it's always glaringly obvious when cheap CGI or other effects are used when it's a static tripod shot, because it's so much easier to mask stuff when you don't have to track camera movements and stuff[/QUOTE] I worked on a gig where a lot of shots were static camera shots, and the director asked us to add artificial camera movement. We couldn't get a solid looking camera movement just by hand, so we ended up taping a checkerboard paper to a wall, filming that with a handheld camera, then using that tracking data to make the camera look handheld. Nobody understood why they didn't just film it handheld, there was nothing special that even needed to be added
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49451621]When I was learning to cam op in film school, they said even when on a tripod, to not keep it 'Too still' or it would look a little unnatural, and make it harder to motivate edits. There's often supposed to be a little bit of breathing with a camera on a tripod for some realness.[/QUOTE] this is reaally debatable. Sometimes camera movement is there to patch the actual inefficiency of the scene, sometimes not, but you always have to make sure that you use it as a plus and not the entirety of the charm of the shot is resting on that. As a film student, i`ve been forced to work with static shoots most of the time and its reaaaaally hard to not make it boring, so montage, script, performances, sound etc everything comes to place to fix that, and you can actually see when moving the camera was patch instead of a decision. this is a short we made in a day. The script is abysmal and confusing but you can see how the still shots stop bothering you by the other aspects of the film. (0:23) [media]https://youtu.be/EAy8k_TT5eE?t=21s[/media] is not unused at all too. David Fincher (of fight club, gone girl, etc) does his films primarily on still shots, and when good directors kill it with them, you start seeing when even camera movement is useless and annoying.
Like I said, often. I was taught by two different guys and they each had their own style. Every DOP on big films always have their own style.
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