I'm glad we agree that execution animations in Doom are fucking stupid
so true about the pipboy
About that last bit: Yeah I don't quite get the eagerness to soak up every bit of new info about upcoming games either. If something really interests me and all general impressions seem fine and there's no uproar on release day, I try to avoid footage and coverage as much as possible. Wouldn't want trailers to ruin all the good bits or introduce cool themes and mechanics before the developers get the chance to really draw me in their way.
But maybe it's just a matter of experience. I used to be much more excited about leaks and guides showing me every nook and cranny in advance.
SBH is quickly getting a bit overly cynical in my opinion
Doom looks... boring. They didn't embrace anything that makes Doom "Doom" and instead replaced colorful visuals with brown and gloom whilst slowing down the gameplay every 3 seconds for an execution to occur rather than keeping the fast pace of the original Doom. Enemies explode into ammo and health packs eliminating the need for smart level design and resource placement, also decreasing the difficulty of the game. This is almost a Doom 3 sequel rather than a real Doom game.
Didn't really agree with this one as much as I usually agree with him, but maybe it was because I was able to keep my hype around announcements that interest me and not the ones that were full of crap.
I thought his point about the pip boy was dumb since they said at the show it was just a phone holder with a companion app and even said it was a stupid gimmick. If anyone thought it was an actual pip boy they didn't even watch the show
His rant about the amiibos was absolutely true though, it's pretty sad that games are getting gimped because of them
I'm not sure I agree to all of his points, but I say some are definitely agreeable on.
I agree with the peripherals being too much and stupid now, but hating on FF7 remake, Shenmu 3 and Last Guardian I can't agree on.
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;47997776]SBH is quickly getting a bit overly cynical in my opinion[/QUOTE]
Understandable, the shit he deals with as a journalist and a gamer.
But I think you're right on this, E3 was fun, it reminded me what I loved about gaming: I felt like part of a community with a shared passion. Hanging with my friends watching the conferences and playing Smash Bros between them or watching the Nintendo World Championships with the Facepunch E3 thread open, everyone was having a great time and you can't knock that. Sure we didn't love everything that the companies had to say, but even then we were having fun, making snarky jokes at the TV screen or going on nostalgia trips for series that didn't get the loving they deserved *cough* Metroid *cough*.
[QUOTE=dragon1972;47997777]Doom looks... boring. They didn't embrace anything that makes Doom "Doom" and instead replaced colorful visuals with brown and gloom whilst slowing down the gameplay every 3 seconds for an execution to occur rather than keeping the fast pace of the original Doom. Enemies explode into ammo and health packs eliminating the need for smart level design and resource placement, also decreasing the difficulty of the game. This is almost a Doom 3 sequel rather than a real Doom game.[/QUOTE]
Funnily enough, Black Ops III was faster pace than Doom
[QUOTE=Kingbob387;47997872]I'm not sure I agree to all of his points, but I say some are definitely agreeable on.
I agree with the peripherals being too much and stupid now, but hating on FF7 remake, Shenmu 3 and Last Guardian I can't agree on.[/QUOTE]
Personally the big thing that I disagreed with was his closing statement where he pulls a doublethink and says that even showing actually gameplay related stuff is bad because people should buy games without knowing anything about them and be surprised with them. The rest I agree with.
i feel like i've heard the same points so many times from so many different people ever since the drama about watch dogs. don't pre-order games/don't trust trailers/be cautiously optimistic etc etc. not that it isn't true but i just get the feeling that this stuff has been said so many times that most people with an above average interest in games get the idea at this point. i still like watching stuff get revealed live though, i like not knowing what to expect and having pretty much most of the gaming community watching the same thing at the same time and all talking about it.
[QUOTE=dragon1972;47997777]Doom looks... boring. They didn't embrace anything that makes Doom "Doom" and instead replaced colorful visuals with brown and gloom whilst slowing down the gameplay every 3 seconds for an execution to occur rather than keeping the fast pace of the original Doom. Enemies explode into ammo and health packs eliminating the need for smart level design and resource placement, also decreasing the difficulty of the game. This is almost a Doom 3 sequel rather than a real Doom game.[/QUOTE]
To be fair that E3 demo was from quake con last year.
The snapmap video or the gameplay trailer is a better representation of the current state.
Also the game is a year away, They will show a better demo next month at quakecon, most likely.
The only point I disagree on is the Pipboy, plastic limited edition things are nothing new, Halo 3 came with a big dumb helmet you couldn't wear. :v:
[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;47998149]The only point I disagree on is the Pipboy, plastic limited edition things are nothing new, Halo 3 came with a big dumb helmet you couldn't wear. :v:[/QUOTE]
Collectibles are cool, why does he have a problem with that anyway? I mean sure the Pipboy had some functionality but really it was another cool thing for people to put up on their shelves alongside their unopened Amiibos or Gears of War dogtags.
[quote]You're enjoying things wrong[/quote]
Yeah, sure, whatever.
The notion that we should keep ourselves surprised is fucking silly, especially form a business perspective. How the fuck are people going to buy games if they don't even know they exist? It's economical suicide, and getting mad about game announcements that [I]actually[/I] show gameplay trailers is ludicrous.
I basically treat E3 as an event where games are announced, so I know what's coming and also to learn more about games coming out from people's impressions of them. For instance, learning that hololens is limited has made me much more skeptical of it, while seeing XCOM 2 gameplay and hearing impressions has made me more excited for it.
I do not agree with the last thing he says about how the only good things from E3 would have been better if he hadn't seen them. So basically what he's saying is, games shouldn't advertise. At all. Not even the good things about a game should be shown.
This guy for real? "Oh I saw a gameplay video on the internet, now my first impression of the game has been ruined."
I enjoy E3 for the following reasons:
- Getting way too hyped over really dumb stuff (and after a day or two, I realize wouldn't really be worth a pre-order/purchase)
- Seeing new IPs from studios I love, even if they are presented in unrealistic or scripted ways
- The cringy presentations
- New gameplay of games I actually want to play (Battlefront, MGSV, MadMax, Fallout4 to name a few)
I don't take E3 seriously at all, but I do enjoy participating in the excitement of it anyway. Just have fun with it I guess.
the last guardian may look exactly the same as it did when it was first shown, but when it was first shown it looked like the greatest fucking thing ever made
If anything I'm glad they skipped the last gen so they could deliver something that lived up to all that was promised. I don't see how that's a point against it.
I thought I was a negative person, but this guy is on a whole new level. The only thing I completely agree was Shenmue 3, that was shady as hell.
Absolutely agree with the Shenmue part. Just again shows how gamers are some of the most easily baited consumers on the planet.
I watch e3 for the cringe and laughs.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;47999051]I thought I was a negative person, but this guy is on a whole new level. The only thing I completely agree was Shenmue 3, that was shady as hell.[/QUOTE]
Probably just a dark patch, there's very likely something we don't know going on in his life. SBH is cynical (and that's part of the reason we love him), but this was some next level shit.
I have to disagree with the Pipboy thing, but that's mainly because I actually have a use for it since I do cosplay and stuff.
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;47997755]About that last bit: Yeah I don't quite get the eagerness to soak up every bit of new info about upcoming games either. If something really interests me and all general impressions seem fine and there's no uproar on release day, I try to avoid footage and coverage as much as possible. Wouldn't want trailers to ruin all the good bits or introduce cool themes and mechanics before the developers get the chance to really draw me in their way.
But maybe it's just a matter of experience. I used to be much more excited about leaks and guides showing me every nook and cranny in advance.[/QUOTE]
Witcher 3 I avoided the trailers, but Microsoft simply announcing games or features for up coming games, I have no problem with that. Depth isn't what E3 is about.
i agree with most of what he is saying, except for obviously the last part about first impressions would be better from him playing them.
i dont bother watching e3 because its mostly just souped up advertising, and after all this time i have learned to not trust all the scripted/set-up 'gameplay' trailers or get hyped over a cinematic. alongside that i have bought so many games under the hype pressure only to have them be terrible or mediocre at best that im a bit apathetic to the whole thing now.
the only thing i get from e3 is headlines of announced titles that i might be interested in, then im leaving it at that until they are released, or i can watch a few minutes of legit footage from a reviewer or press trying it out.
I personally don't believe that the last guardian looks the same graphically. I feel the shadows, colors, and feather physics have been vastly improved from the previous showing.
[video=youtube;4Vi3srAvl1w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vi3srAvl1w[/video]
[video=youtube;N0lc7Z9CbG4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0lc7Z9CbG4[/video]
All they do is compare that one scene every single time. Showing that scene over and over again to prove a point is false advertising in itself.
The problem was also that they just couldn't get the game look the way it was supposed to on PS3, which is why it got sidelined for such a long time.
[QUOTE=Cuon Alpinus;48000405]The problem was also that they just couldn't get the game look the way it was supposed to on PS3, which is why it got sidelined for such a long time.[/QUOTE]
was that the official statement?
Also I just noticed in the 2010 trailer the same puzzle shown in the 2015.
Sure there are shitty E3 presentations, but there are good ones too. I love the Hitman trailer, it may not be an in-game demo but it showed me a new Hitman game is coming and it's centered around contracts (while Absolution was more story driven). Plus the music and imagery was incredible, showing that they put some care into announcing their title. Doesn't mean I'm going to preorder it by any means, I'll wait for twitch streamers and reviews to make sure its a decent game worth the money.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVqxMCZ3u6k[/media]
Yeah we get it, E3 has become a thing in it of itself but does that mean we should get rid of it? Hell no. The things that we shouldn't be encouraging is the pre-order, pre-pay, optional but need to buy peripherals, kickstarter fund shit because those you are giving away money just for a promise. Watching all this coverage didn't cost me a penny, I'm not getting that pipboy shit because it'd be way easier just to have my phone on the desk and not on my wrist while on keyboard or controller, I'm not paying money just to see trailers, nor am I pre-ordering anything just from a E3 ad. I just feel like that ending bit about how we should just stop watching this stuff isn't a proper message, but rather it should be "remember that trailers and scripted gameplay is just their to advertise the best bits of a game, and buying a game and playing it is a lot different than watching trailers and scripted gameplay." Which anyone who is sensible should do, but there are fanboys/girls who will buy anything you throw at them.
I guess to me it seems like he's criticizing people who are fanboys who just buy the newest thing just because or people who don't know gaming who believe the holominecraft thing, but we already know that those are dumb things to do or believe in so its like, who was this video even aimed at? Kinda comes across as rambling toward the end because it's not like E3 happens and all of the games are released the next day with no more reviews or reveals. These games will have way more videos and content released by the time they come out giving us more info about if its a game we want to spend money on or not. Fuck buying games blind when I can watch a streamer play a few minutes to confirm it isn't a broken buggy or uninteresting game. If anything buying a game blind is the worst possible thing you can encourage because then its ok for devs to release a broken game with barred reviews until release, and then they laugh as they turn your thought to be predictably good franchise into a shitfest cashcow. I just felt like this video was a little weak in that respect.
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