The Last of Us Changed my Life: In-depth analysis (major spoilers ahead) - General

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sJA-C1yrtk[/media] As a huge fan of the game I can't but agree with him, but seeing as I know that opinion isn't shared by everyone, I'm curious to hear what others have to say.

Not to derail the thread, but just now for some reason the youtube player (just for this video) doesn't have a time indicator? Is that normal ?

[QUOTE=dude2193;43292890]Not to derail the thread, but just now for some reason the youtube player (just for this video) doesn't have a time indicator? Is that normal ?[/QUOTE] just you

He brings up a lot of good points. I tend to also get hooked up on tiny details in video games that have them.

[QUOTE=dude2193;43292890]Not to derail the thread, but just now for some reason the youtube player (just for this video) doesn't have a time indicator? Is that normal ?[/QUOTE] Was happening to me last night.

i hope that one day, even if it takes 10 years or so, a game with the same attention to detail and quality non scripted animations and narrative is made for a post apocalyptic open world sandbox setting. I know it will happen eventually, its just a matter of when.

I completely agree with him.

[QUOTE=autodesknoob;43297503]i hope that one day, even if it takes 10 years or so, a game with the same attention to detail and quality non scripted animations and narrative is made for a post apocalyptic open world sandbox setting. I know it will happen eventually, its just a matter of when.[/QUOTE] That'd be great when it happens, but tbh I'm not sure why people get hung up on what is scripted and what isn't. Scripted events are only a bad thing if you see them twice or if they seem forced; otherwise they just serve for polish to the game. For instance, Hl2 Ep 2 is a very linear, fairly scripted game, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that it's unbelievably polished - to a level not obtainable yet in a freeroam game. The closest we've gotten is GTA V IMO.

I can't be the only one who thinks this is just overhyping the game way more than it deserves... Its hardly a bad game, but he's giving it an obscene amount of praise and saying it changed your life is a bit ridiculous.

[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;43298123]That'd be great when it happens, but tbh I'm not sure why people get hung up on what is scripted and what isn't. Scripted events are only a bad thing if you see them twice or if; otherwise they just serve for polish to the game. For instance, Hl2 Ep 2 is a very linear, fairly scripted game, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that it's unbelievably polished - to a level not obtainable yet in a freeroam game. The closest we've gotten is GTA V IMO.[/QUOTE] im all up for scripted sequences, its just that an online game, its core gameplay cant have too much ground on that, so the game itself its a big functional world on its own.

[QUOTE=Skyward;43298150]I can't be the only one who thinks this is just overhyping the game way more than it deserves... Its hardly a bad game, but he's giving it an obscene amount of praise and saying it changed your life is a bit ridiculous.[/QUOTE] He said in the video that it single-handedly made him want a daughter, and if you add that to the fact that he's an aspiring game designer, it doesn't sound so ridiculous after all.

[QUOTE=Fhux;43298346][B]He said in the video that it single-handedly made him want a daughter,[/B] and if you add that to the fact that he's an aspiring game designer, [B]it doesn't sound so ridiculous after all.[/B][/QUOTE] Wha? You don't see a single way that can possibly be construed as "ridiculous"? The fact that The Last of Us- NO-[I] ANY VIDEO GAME[/I], is the reason that somebody was actually convinced they want a daughter is fucking dumb. How you consider that to be reasonable is beyond me. You don't just go "I WANT TO BE LIKE THE VIDEO GAME JOEL I AM GOING TO GET A DAUGHTER"... That's fucked.

[QUOTE=Fhux;43298346]He said in the video that it single-handedly made him want a daughter, and if you add that to the fact that he's an aspiring game designer, it doesn't sound so ridiculous after all.[/QUOTE] Uh no, that sounds [I]absurdly[/I] ridiculous. "I have no idea if I'm remotely sociologically or psychologically equipped to handle raising a child, much less monetarily, but oh this game about fungal zombies and FUCK YOU, GOT MINE has totally prepared and inspired me to [B]create and nurture another human being[/B]." 1. The game is not that good and Naughty Dog isn't that great either. They make great set pieces and they always make sure to get really good actors cast. Their stories are neither anything new nor even that well told, they're just coated in a layer of POLISH, like a fancy porn shoot. 2. This guy is batshit.

[QUOTE=27X;43298655]Uh no, that sounds [I]absurdly[/I] ridiculous. "I have no idea if I'm remotely sociologically or psychologically equipped to handle raising a child, much less monetarily, but oh this game about fungal zombies and FUCK YOU, GOT MINE has totally prepared and inspired me to [B]create and nurture another human being[/B]." 1. The game is not that good and Naughty Dog isn't that great either. They make great set pieces and they always make sure to get really good actors cast. Their stories are neither anything new nor even that well told, they're just coated in a layer of POLISH, like a fancy porn shoot. 2. This guy is batshit.[/QUOTE] you guys are being assholes in here. I dont see why a piece of media that tries to somehow show the core of a paternal relationship is any different or even less that all the novels and movies surrounding the idealistic dual conception of love and why you live having a lover of any form. You dont call a person crazy when a book makes them realize or have the idea that being with someone can offer a lot to your life.

[QUOTE=Skyward;43298573]Wha? You don't see a single way that can possibly be construed as "ridiculous"? The fact that The Last of Us- NO-[I] ANY VIDEO GAME[/I], is the reason that somebody was actually convinced they want a daughter is fucking dumb. How you consider that to be reasonable is beyond me. You don't just go "I WANT TO BE LIKE THE VIDEO GAME JOEL I AM GOING TO GET A DAUGHTER"... That's fucked.[/QUOTE] I don't understand, what does it matter if it's a video game? I imagine Metal Gear Solid 2 certainly changed some people's ways. It did me. [quote=Solid Snake] Snake : I know you didn't have much in terms of choices this time. But everything you felt, thought about during this mission is yours. And what you decide to do with them is your choice... _____________________ Snake : Life isn't just about passing on your genes. We can leave behind much more than just DNA. Through speech, music, literature and movies... what we've seen, heard, felt ...anger, joy and sorrow... these are the things I will pass on. That's what I live for. We need to pass the torch, and let our children read our messy and sad history by its light. We have all the magic of the digital age to do that with. The human race will probably come to an end some time, and new species may rule over this planet. Earth may not be forever, but we still have the responsibility to leave what traces of life we can. Building the future and keeping the past alive are one and the same thing.[/quote]

[QUOTE=autodesknoob;43298736]you guys are being assholes in here. I dont see why a piece of media that tries to somehow show the core of a paternal relationship is any different or even less that all the novels and movies surrounding the idealistic dual conception of love and why you live having a lover of any form. You dont call a person crazy when a book makes them realize or have the idea that being with someone can offer a lot to your life.[/QUOTE] Can you get [I]any[/I] more pretentious? It's pretty easy to tell you haven't spent any length of time actually living on your own, by your own subsistence. [I] [quote] tries to somehow [/I][/quote] Hahahahahaa.. Ahhhh. This game was partially made by focus group testing. There isn't a [I]piece[/I] of it that wasn't screened and measured by Sony's and ND's [B]marketing department[/B]. Mayhaps you should do some research before whiteknighting a [B]product[/B] that in no way shape or form needs your help.

[QUOTE=27X;43299016]Can you get [I]any[/I] more pretentious? It's pretty easy to tell you haven't spent any length of time actually living on your own, by your own subsistence. [I] Hahahahahaa.. Ahhhh. This game was partially made by focus group testing. There isn't a [I]piece[/I] of it that wasn't screened and measured by Sony's and ND's [B]marketing department[/B]. Mayhaps you should do some research before whiteknighting a [B]product[/B] that in no way shape or form needs your help.[/QUOTE] why you had to be this rude. I live on my own, by the way, i work, study and take care of my mother since my father died a while ago, so dont start with your sudden and harmful assumptions just because im defending a very well crafted piece of art, because thats what it is. And you said it yourself, its been tested to a point where what it tried to make works flawlessly for the people that play it. Again, i dont see any difference with the rest of the media out there, you can play the "soup opera" card or the forced feelings way of work, but if it does change the way of view for someone, i dont care what or where the idea came from. I highly doubt this guy is dumb enough to just want to roleplay as videogame characters and think that thats whats driving his mind right now, but more like the game is working as a reminder of what hes able to feel as a person and how much he can care for another one, just in a fictional form, and wonder how it would play in his daily basis. Thats a reason better enough than a lot of fathers who have no idea how to play their role. The whole situation about him thinking it twice before assuming that role is no rocket science to realize how much of a deal this is for him, and that he knows is this no walk in the park.

[QUOTE=Skyward;43298573]Wha? You don't see a single way that can possibly be construed as "ridiculous"? The fact that The Last of Us- NO-[I] ANY VIDEO GAME[/I], is the reason that somebody was actually convinced they want a daughter is fucking dumb. How you consider that to be reasonable is beyond me. You don't just go "I WANT TO BE LIKE THE VIDEO GAME JOEL I AM GOING TO GET A DAUGHTER"... That's fucked.[/QUOTE] Star Wars convinced me to be a father who then becomes evil, who then tries to destroy rebel scum, who then gets redeemed by his son. dun h8 >:(

[QUOTE=27X;43298655]1. The game is not that good and Naughty Dog isn't that great either. They make great set pieces and they always make sure to get really good actors cast. Their stories are neither anything new nor even that well told, they're just coated in a layer of POLISH, like a fancy porn shoot.[/QUOTE] What are you on about? The Last of Us and the Uncharteds are not very original, I give you that, but they're very well-written nonetheless. Naughty Dog said it themselves in an interview: "Make a game based on great ideas with an average team, and you get an average game. Make a game based on an average idea with a great team, and you get a great game." Or something like that.

[QUOTE=Skyward;43298573]Wha? You don't see a single way that can possibly be construed as "ridiculous"? The fact that The Last of Us- NO-[I] ANY VIDEO GAME[/I], is the reason that somebody was actually convinced they want a daughter is fucking dumb. How you consider that to be reasonable is beyond me. You don't just go "I WANT TO BE LIKE THE VIDEO GAME JOEL I AM GOING TO GET A DAUGHTER"... That's fucked.[/QUOTE] What if that video game had shown you positive sides to something that you hadn't considered before, and as such had given you a new outlook on the topic? Would it still be fucked? This guy didn't go "I WANT TO BE LIKE JOEL", he was just enlightened.

Some of you all need to be able to look at games as art, rather than a play and done situation. Just like one doesn't read a classic novel for just the story - they read deeper into its messages. The Last of Us was an emotional experience for me as well, because I did my best to read into undertones and what not throughout. I was given the role of a human in a dire world making selfish, human decisions. And that was beautiful. He hits a lot of notes I agree with, and some I don't. I can even see how he said Ellie made him want a daughter, because he got to watch first hand someone connect with a child and watch that child grow because of it. Sure it's far fetched, and the situation definitely makes you wonder exactly how well he can relate to it. But it does show some wonderful character connection. Is this guy batshit? Hell no. Is he reading into it too much? Only in some areas. The game was good and will be regarded as classic in the future. The combat was repetitive and lacking at times. The story was incredible. These are of course my opinions, but I certainly don't think this game was overhyped. Naughty Dog certainly deserved the praise for this title.

[QUOTE=27X;43299016]Can you get [I]any[/I] more pretentious? It's pretty easy to tell you haven't spent any length of time actually living on your own, by your own subsistence. [I] Hahahahahaa.. Ahhhh. This game was partially made by focus group testing. There isn't a [I]piece[/I] of it that wasn't screened and measured by Sony's and ND's [B]marketing department[/B]. Mayhaps you should do some research before whiteknighting a [B]product[/B] that in no way shape or form needs your help.[/QUOTE] Ow, edge.

I've watched movies and read books, and played games that made me realize my desire for certain things. Anyone who comes in trying to act all cool and chill and with this "oh man, you are influenced by this particular kind of thing that you interact with? Ha, you a nutter" mentality is just gunning for an argument to give them a chance to speak down to someone else, and it's just dumb.

I totally agree, I played Monmusu Quest, and it made me realize my desire for... uh, nevermind.

[QUOTE=27X;43299016]Can you get [I]any[/I] more pretentious?[/QUOTE] The burning irony! A lot of you guys are judgey. Why even discuss whether this video guy's thoughts and emotions are "right" or "wrong"? Nothing he said was in my mind particularly ridiculous. For him the game offered him an alternative perspective on parenthood which made him reconsider the thought. Either you agree with his opinion, you don't or perhaps you agree only partially. I don't understand why objective truths are even on the table.

never listen to anyone who unironically says the word "mayhaps"

So wait, why is it okay for someone to say "this videogame made me want to become a writer" or "this videogame made me sell my house and restart my life" or even "this videogame changed who i am" but not "this videogame made me want a daughter"?

A game does not change lifes. It might inspire yes, but it will just reach out to what is already in someone but perhaps didn't know. Might make you think, I know for a fact several games have done this for me(deus ex for example and recently dishonored) but I never think a game can really CHANGE your life in it whole. But if it makes you feel better, then go ahead I don't need to judge someone's belief in something like this(or religion for that matter).

I have the same feelings for Monster girl quest

How many of you actually watched the video? I knew that when I read the title of it, I was ready for a lot of pretentious banter about Last Of Us to make it seem even better, but I honestly was surprised. He goes so far as to include little snippets of just side conversation, stating that little things to HIM were much more memorable, to that I can relate; he finally tops that by stating the game actually convinced him that maybe being a father wouldn't be too bad, which honestly I think is amazing and fantastic - That a game can have so much impact on a person, and not just him; IS indeed an outstanding feature that should be overwhelmingly praised. That said, I do think he is obsessing a little much about how detailed the world is, I think if you look at Valve's Games, you'll find much of the same things in regards to side detail.