Adam Ruins Everything - Littering - General

[video=youtube;koqNm_TgOZk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koqNm_TgOZk[/video] [sp]This is honestly probably the first Adam Ruins Everything I've disagreed with. These companies didn't do anything wrong by telling us not to throw their bottles on the ground. Is it their responsibility to come and dispose of the thing they sell us after we buy it? They create more plastic because we buy the plastic, which creates more demand for plastic. I really don't think this is a blame-game thing. I think it's just up to companies and individuals alike to not throw garbage and shit on the side of the road. That's just common sense. I'm not actually sure the message this one was trying to get across. Maybe I'm missing it. [/sp]

Bit on the fence with this one, i mean what could the producers of such products do to prevent littering besides already spending (tons of) money into promotion campaigns and material to stop littering.

[QUOTE=Wolverunder;51563960] [sp]This is honestly probably the first Adam Ruins Everything I've disagreed with. These companies didn't do anything wrong by telling us not to throw their bottles on the ground. Is it their responsibility to come and dispose of the thing they sell us after we buy it? They create more plastic because we buy the plastic, which creates more demand for plastic. I really don't think this is a blame-game thing. I think it's just up to companies and individuals alike to not throw garbage and shit on the side of the road. That's just common sense. I'm not actually sure the message this one was trying to get across. Maybe I'm missing it. [/sp][/QUOTE] I think the point is that companies are avoiding actually making renewable and biodegradable packaging by claiming the only problems they cause are from people littering. [editline]21st December 2016[/editline] He didn't really explain it too well if that's what he is trying to say though.

[QUOTE=darth-veger;51563995]Bit on the fence with this one, i mean what could the producers of such products to prevent littering besides already spending money into promotions to stop littering.[/QUOTE] That's what I'm saying. Like what did they do wrong by saying, "Don't litter"?

[video]https://youtu.be/j7OHG7tHrNM[/video]

Not the first one with bullshit, but this one is just downright mindboggling. He mentions that they threw out an "effective" recycle initiative, but doesn't even bother mentioning what it would entail? That smells like a bunch of bullshit to me. People really shouldn't take these videos much more seriously than what else comes out of College Humor (yeah I know it's on some other channel now, but same same).

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51564034]Not the first one with bullshit, but this one is just downright mindboggling. He mentions that they threw out an "effective" recycle initiative, but doesn't even bother mentioning what it would entail? That smells like a bunch of bullshit to me. People really shouldn't take these videos much more seriously than what else comes out of College Humor (yeah I know it's on some other channel now, but same same).[/QUOTE] I really wouldn't say "bullshit." More like missing the mark. This show and its research team puts huge efforts into staying factual and citing sources, and Adam himself has talked about how there's plenty of times they've probably been wrong and he's wanted to make correction episodes. That kind of honesty and transparency is rare and I can respect it. They don't want these videos to be taken as gospel. Just fun entertainment that may open discussion. He talks about it here. [video=youtube;WGq4vGQPUig]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGq4vGQPUig[/video]

[QUOTE=Wolverunder;51564061]I really wouldn't say "bullshit." More like missing the mark. This show and its research team puts huge efforts into staying factual and citing sources, and Adam himself has talked about how there's plenty of times they've probably been wrong and he's wanted to make correction episodes. That kind of honesty and transparency is rare and I can respect it. They don't want these videos to be taken as gospel. Just fun entertainment that may open discussion.[/QUOTE] they should probably format their show differently if that's the case. it's always presented as fully truthful and feels like a one way conversation, just throwing facts without additional context and not really opening themselves up to debate. and you can't have an open discussion with a TV show, since again it's a one way street. they try to i guess, by making characters ask questions to adam. but half of the questions just seem to be stuff they already have answers too, rather than the hard hitting questions the viewer might actually ask. i get if you're trying to make something just for entertainment and as a think piece, but you can't do that by dropping a load of facts into a pile, spitting out some very spiteful remarks, then leave saying "figure out what to do with it your damn selves, and remember, it's just words, i'm an entertainment guy haha!" like that's some serious neglect on their part. they don't realize that in this day and age most people who see something immediately believe it, especially if it's backed up by theories thinly based on facts. also, when you consider all of that, considering how they've been wrong multiple times doesn't really instill confidence. the content they produce, combined with how they've call themselves wrong before, seems reactionary and borderline tabloidism, like "hey we've got this hot scoop. corporations are to blame for ___! shock and horror! skit comedy!" it's incredibly irresponsible to sweep that under the rug just because they're honest.

States that put a tax/hold on canned and plastic food packaging generally are cleaner. In Michigan, you put a deposit down for every bottled and canned beverage. That means if you buy a 24 pack, you pay for all 24 cans worth of the deposit. You then take the empty containers to a recycling center and get your deposit back for every can/bottle you return with a valid recycling marking. ie. it must be marked MI for Michigan. The down side is that you have to save all that stuff and you cannot crush the cans or else they will not be accepted. The end result is significantly less litter.

Aren't these clips cut from an actual TV show? It probably makes more sense in context.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51564558]Same here in Germany, the downside is insognificant. No reason not to do this. Also plastic bags please cost.[/QUOTE] As someone who lives in California (which passed a proposition to enact a 10 cent fee per plastic bag at all retailers), i can't count the number of times I've been chewed out/talked poorly to by a customer because I ask them "Would you like to buy a bag for 10 cents?". Shit people take for granted man. Tbh it makes it worse that the money just goes to the company.

[QUOTE=Lolcats;51564612]As someone who lives in California (which passed a proposition to enact a 10 cent fee per plastic bag at all retailers), i can't count the number of times I've been chewed out/talked poorly to by a customer because I ask them "Would you like to buy a bag for 10 cents?". Shit people take for granted man. Tbh it makes it worse that the money just goes to the company.[/QUOTE] *cue British person who thinks paper bags are still a thing in America*

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;51564787]*cue British person who thinks paper bags are still a thing in America*[/QUOTE] at the grocery store I work at they are. Though you have to ask for them.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;51564787]*cue British person who thinks paper bags are still a thing in America*[/QUOTE] huh? i also live in california and whenever i forget to bring a reusable bag to the grocery store i buy a 10 cent paper bag

[QUOTE=bdd458;51564821]at the grocery store I work at they are. Though you have to ask for them.[/QUOTE] They usually ask you if you want paper or plastic, or if plastics okay or something a long those lines, most people just dont care.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51564034]Not the first one with bullshit, but this one is just downright mindboggling. He mentions that they threw out an "effective" recycle initiative, but doesn't even bother mentioning what it would entail? That smells like a bunch of bullshit to me. People really shouldn't take these videos much more seriously than what else comes out of College Humor (yeah I know it's on some other channel now, but same same).[/QUOTE] At the time, beverages were primarily limited to glass bottles. Glass bottles are extremely easy to recycle because they don't actually need to be recycled, only cleaned. Generally stores that sold the bottles would also accept them as returns and give you a portion of the cost back. The truck that delivered new product to the store would also return with the empty containers. The bottling facility would then clean and use the bottles again. If you consider the energy consumption here, it was a ridiculously effective program. Your primary issue is going to reside with the additional weight of the glass during shipping, but the inverse of that is that you wind up shipping fewer bottles over large distances. The bottles mostly go back and forth locally to the bottling plant.

[QUOTE=darth-veger;51564006][video]https://youtu.be/j7OHG7tHrNM[/video][/QUOTE] I think the end of this video was what he was talking about. "People start pollution, they can stop it". It's shifting the blame from companies, who buy and large are the largest contributors, to individuals. There's nothing wrong with promoting an anti-litter message, but the sentiment behind it is disingenuous and has resulted in a general lack of drive for keeping corporations accountable.

Adam Ruins Everything needs to be really careful with their show. Some of the newer episodes I wouldn't share because of how they dramatize everything and some of the points are ehhhhhhhhh. I know it's for entertainment purposes only, but it can be a problem sometimes. Take that facebook selling information episode, for example.

I enjoy the showbut i often find myself disagreeing with it quite often. So it falls more into entertainment category with me. The episode on buying cars actually quite heavily bothered me by how much it downplayed public transportation as an option for most of the episode and heavily stressing that you absolutely need a car to do anything.

I don't know. I live next to a high school and I sure as shit don't blame Burger King for throwing burgers onto my lawn.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51565314]Adam Ruins Everything needs to be really careful with their show. Some of the newer episodes I wouldn't share because of how they dramatize everything and some of the points are ehhhhhhhhh. I know it's for entertainment purposes only, but it can be a problem sometimes. Take that facebook selling information episode, for example.[/QUOTE] Personally, I hold it as similar to a show like Penn and Teller's Bullshit. Some are decent, but you can't really hold them as an actual source for argumentation because data is often selectively chosen based on what way the show wants to push the issue.

[QUOTE=darth-veger;51564006][video]https://youtu.be/j7OHG7tHrNM[/video][/QUOTE] I love this one. That's Iron Eyes Cody, the famous Sicilian actor who was typecast as a Native American in everything from Hollywood films to advertisements like these.

[QUOTE=Viva;51565493]I enjoy the showbut i often find myself disagreeing with it quite often. So it falls more into entertainment category with me. The episode on buying cars actually quite heavily bothered me by how much it downplayed public transportation as an option for most of the episode and heavily stressing that you absolutely need a car to do anything.[/QUOTE] I'm not American but from what I've heard it really varies a lot from city to city. Some cities you really do need a car in, some have decent public transportation. But that's just what I hear though.

[QUOTE=Lolcats;51564612]As someone who lives in California (which passed a proposition to enact a 10 cent fee per plastic bag at all retailers), i can't count the number of times I've been chewed out/talked poorly to by a customer because I ask them "Would you like to buy a bag for 10 cents?". Shit people take for granted man. Tbh it makes it worse that the money just goes to the company.[/QUOTE] Paying ten cents for a plastic bag is kind of odd though, especially in the state containing L.A. which is a smog nightmare, and seems to do little to encourage people not to drive everywhere.

[QUOTE=matt000024;51566015]Paying ten cents for a plastic bag is kind of odd though, especially in the state containing L.A. which is a smog nightmare, and seems to do little to encourage people not to drive everywhere.[/QUOTE] As much ire as it draws, it works. People aren't buying bags. I want to say maybe 20% of people actually buy bags. Companies are allowed a grace period to get rid of their overstock disposable bags iirc but we ran out of those not even a week after the prop passed. Now it's 10 cents plastic, 50 cents cloth. People usually just walk out with their stuff in their cart and put it in their car, which I don't really see a problem with.

Actually in the Netherlands it is now law to ask money if people want a plastic bag with their purchases, it usually costs like 10-20 cents but it certainly made a change since a massive number of people just reuse their bags rather then get a new one for every shopping trip.

really seeing a pattern with this show "if there was corporate backers behind it, its automatically false and evil" he looks at a small part of one side and stretches it out to a full episode without looking at much else

[QUOTE=darth-veger;51568285]Actually in the Netherlands it is now law to ask money if people want a plastic bag with their purchases, it usually costs like 10-20 cents but it certainly made a change since a massive number of people just reuse their bags rather then get a new one for every shopping trip.[/QUOTE] They were free before? Luck you

[QUOTE=Lolcats;51566804]As much ire as it draws, it works. People aren't buying bags. I want to say maybe 20% of people actually buy bags. Companies are allowed a grace period to get rid of their overstock disposable bags iirc but we ran out of those not even a week after the prop passed. Now it's 10 cents plastic, 50 cents cloth. People usually just walk out with their stuff in their cart and put it in their car, which I don't really see a problem with.[/QUOTE] I do all of my shopping at Aldi. They don't give out bags for free, but they've got really cheap reusable bags. I just picked a few of those up, and I keep them in the trunk of my car when I go shopping. It's easy enough, and I get to feel good about myself.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51564558]Same here in Germany, the downside is insognificant. No reason not to do this. Also plastic bags please cost.[/QUOTE] Absolutely. I never thought the plastic bag charge was going to be worth it and thought it was a stupid inconvenience but just 5p a bag has cut down on what I take home so much. I feel better about not wasting plastic and the house is not filled with bags. [editline]22nd December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;51565548]Personally, I hold it as similar to a show like Penn and Teller's Bullshit. Some are decent, but you can't really hold them as an actual source for argumentation because data is often selectively chosen based on what way the show wants to push the issue.[/QUOTE] I really liked a lot of Bullshit episodes, but even the fact that they say "yeah we got a bunch of shit wrong and would really like to make up for it" pisses me off. It is honesty, absolutely. But unless you actually go ahead and make those correction episodes (which they couldn't in the end, I would have loved Bullshit of Bullshit) it just seems like empty words to placate some people.