• Resident of Calais, France, speaks of how the migrants terrorize the city, and goes unpunished by th
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[media]https://youtu.be/UKAQX74yRyc[/media] "This is the death of civilization" bit could have been left out, but that doesn't nullify what she is saying about the situation in Calais.
jesus fucking christ
I think it should be common sense to lawmakers that, while there is a moral obligation to take in refugees suffering from a war zone who have no place to go, they have a LEGAL, POLITICAL, AND SOCIAL obligation to their own people that elected them THAT SHOULD COME FIRST before anything or anyone else. This is what happens when you ignore the people and allow uncontrolled migration/intake to take place.
Now that we are speaking about this again. In Finland things are bad too. You can read news everyday how some woman got raped by refugees and some other crimes. They even have have the face to complain about the food here. I dont really understand that shit, if you really come here to be safe and run away from war and get place to live and food, how the fuck do you have the nerve to complain and behave like a caveman. Of course there is people who manage well here and need place to live, but i think the most are just after the money. Here in Finland if you speak about the problems refugees cause you are instantly racist, you cant speak publicly the facts here if you want to keep your credibility. Im sorry about the rant, I just got mad by the disrespect the migrants or refugees or whatever give to helping people.
-is not good thinking right now snip
I'm not sure how to take this. Halfway through that video she starts talking about being at a rally; I googled it and turns out that rally was part of PEDIGA, some far-right anti immigrant movement started in Germany. As much as I would believe her, I can't help but feel this is a rant that the EDL or Britain First could have said.
a few bad apples
Sounds fucking terrible. Should note that this is held at an event hosted by the french version of the EDL. It's probably biased from the right instead of the left, this time.
[QUOTE=Nastardo;49719439]Now that we are speaking about this again. In Finland things are bad too. You can read news everyday how some woman got raped by refugees and some other crimes. They even have have the face to complain about the food here. I dont really understand that shit, if you really come here to be safe and run away from war and get place to live and food, how the fuck do you have the nerve to complain and behave like a caveman. Of course there is people who manage well here and need place to live, but i think the most are just after the money. Here in Finland if you speak about the problems refugees cause you are instantly racist, you cant speak publicly the facts here if you want to keep your credibility. Im sorry about the rant, I just got mad by the disrespect the migrants or refugees or whatever give to helping people.[/QUOTE] A crime happens occasionally and it will be all over the news and people will keep talking about it for months so that's why it seems like it's happening every day. There's so much misinformation being spread and different agendas trying to twist it to suit their needs. The best thing to do is to try not to become one of them
[QUOTE=Melnek;49719493]a few bad apples[/QUOTE] Yeah, just a few thousands of bad apples.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;49719643]A crime happens occasionally and it will be all over the news and people will keep talking about it for months so that's why it seems like it's happening every day. There's so much misinformation being spread and different agendas trying to twist it to suit their needs. The best thing to do is to try not to become one of them[/QUOTE] Who can you trust?
seems believable. the whole situation sucks, but whats even worse is when your own government ignores the people.
What the hell are we gonna do about this? :( [editline]12th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SonicHitman;49723484]seems believable. the whole situation sucks, but whats even worse is when your own government ignores the people.[/QUOTE] Well ours is making a nuke if that's anything to go by
If you want to inform yourself instead of blindly getting offended by what someone at a PEGIDA [t]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3867224/images/o-PEGIDA-facebook.jpg[/t] (These people support a party that denies climate change, thinks homosexuals are unnatural, thinks that boys are overreached in schools, promotes women to stay at home, wants social studies to be less funded, wants a flat 25% Tax on everyone no matter the income, wants even less taxes for the rich and so on and so on...) says you are welcome to read [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_jungle[/url] which is what she is talking about and is indeed a great tragedy and a failure of officials and politicians. It's been around since 2002 so excuse me when I don't quite believe her "from one day to the other" and "gates opened" stuff. I would also like you to take a look at a map of smear campaigns and lies made about refugees so far: [url]http://hoaxmap.org/[/url]
She was fucking crying, her life and town is being ruined infront of her eyes and you almost hate her because of a political affiliation with an activist group that doesn't like refugees? Your posts are borderline traitorous at this point. She looked back in fond nostalgia of how [I]gay[/I] Calais is, for christ's sake
I have no problem at all believing that her story that her son got randomly tapped on the shoulder hit in the face with an iron bar, and then manged to fight off 3 of them, and then got attacked by 30 migrants and ran away. I don't know how bad the media censorship is but you don't just make a big protest with an ISIS flag in Calais disappear. Everyone has a phone, these things don't go unrecorded. Cmon these are like back to back primary school playground tier stories. Take a photo, record a conversation, it would be front-page news all over Europe, rather then a sketchy story at a sketchy meeting. [editline]16th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Cypher_09;49752066]She was fucking crying, her life and town is being ruined infront of her eyes and you almost hate her because of a political affiliation with an activist group that doesn't like refugees? Your posts are borderline traitorous at this point. She looked back in fond nostalgia of how [I]gay[/I] Calais is, for christ's sake[/QUOTE] Emotions make these claims less valuable not more.
This whole speech is just a really realistic CGI film created by far-right groups
[QUOTE=Cold;49752283] Emotions make these claims less valuable not more.[/QUOTE] Of course and I accept that premise wholeheartedly. Eyewitness testimonies can hugely sway the outcome by just as simply as replacing the word 'collided' with 'smashed' in, for example, a car crash scenario. I don't doubt she used some emotive language for that purpose here either, but I also believe she did it for a genuinely emotional and meaningful cause that I heavily sympathise with. My personal bias, I also admit, is partly responsible for my opinion. I don't think she's lying though, it's obvious that at least some of it has happened to her, and that's bad. But it isn't obvious that she's lying, or that she's a member of the far-right, so I've chosen to believe her for those reasons.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;49752398]That kind of statement doesn't help your argument when actual stats, that have been posted here on SH no less, have proven that migrants don't have a higher rate of criminality than natives. That really doesn't matter though does it? People are so complacent in dehumanising into an amalgamous blob such that any one can't do a single wrong without all of the many thousands of them all taking collective responsibility even on a basis of exaggeration and hearsay[/QUOTE] Crime shoots up to unprecedented levels in places where those ''''refugees'''' are coming, just pure coincidence. Just like in the little town of Ter Apel in Groningen, with a population of 9000, where they decided to fill up the local asylum center with more than 2000 of those ''refugees''. Suddenly the quaint and quiet little countryside town saw a rise in crime, which was unheard of before it. Hell, they didn't even need a local police station before that, that was how peaceful that town used to be. Also pure coincidence that some IS fighters are returning from Syria disguised as '''refugees'' to commit terror attacks on European soil. Or pure coincidence that not a single native German was among the perpetrators in the Cologne Mass Assaults. Yes, the perps might have been second or third generation migrants, yet they still commit crimes at a more noticeable rate than the native Germans. Thinking that this horde won't do the same is painfully naive.
I'd like to point out that France is [I]not[/I] one of the countries that's blindly taking refugees in and we have a reputation for kicking illegal immigrants out on a very regular basis, so I'd take this video with a grain of salt. We've had people walking with "iron bars and molotov cocktails" for far longer than the refugee crisis. In fact Calais has a lot of complaints [I]from migrants[/I] because they're getting attacked by the locals (and according to some migrants by the police), not the other way around. Calais is kind of a racist shithole to begin with. It's full of old decaying people, frustrated veterans and racists. Recently a general and veteran of the foreign legion was arrested for partaking in one of those PEDIGA rallies (which wasn't authorized by the municipality, as it is recognized as a xenophobic association with strong resentment for Islam in general), which started a big shitstorm as all the local vets got out of their nursing homes to complain that the 75 years old angry skeleton got arrested for being a racist shitbird.
it's just sad to see that people are desperate and nobody knows what to do if someone comes to your country, your homeland and eat your food, use your supplies, and you have to try and treat them nice, it's fine, it's kind enough already but if they fuck shits up and do crimes and shit do you still have to be nice to them?
[QUOTE=Mr.Brown;49752501]it's just sad to see that people are desperate and nobody knows what to do if someone comes to your country, your homeland and eat your food, use your supplies, and you have to try and treat them nice, it's fine, it's kind enough already but if they fuck shits up and do crimes and shit do you still have to be nice to them?[/QUOTE] The entire region of Calais (a department of a larger region, but still) is known for being rather hostile towards foreigners in general. I mean most of France is known for being rather hostile towards foreigners but places like the far north (ie Calais and such) and down South where I live are known as the more rancid places when it comes to xenophobia. Take anything that comes out of these parts with some distance.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49752517]The entire region of Calais (a department of a larger region, but still) is known for being rather hostile towards foreigners in general. I mean most of France is known for being rather hostile towards foreigners but places like the far north (ie Calais and such) and down South where I live are known as the more rancid places when it comes to xenophobia. Take anything that comes out of these parts with some distance.[/QUOTE] Given the amount of absolute scum that lives in the Calais Jungle camp, I am not surprised that they are absolutely fed up with their bullshit. People tend not to act very kindly towards those who are pretty much ruining their daily lives.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49752546]Given the amount of absolute scum that lives in the Calais Jungle camp, I am not surprised that they are absolutely fed up with their bullshit. People tend not to act very kindly towards those who are pretty much ruining their daily lives.[/QUOTE] The issue of migrants and "absolute scum" living in those camps is far older than the refugee crisis. It's been an issue since the Roma first started immigrating, and the increase to crime is marginal in comparison to crime performed by local youth and poor people who have been French citizens for several generations. The only people who react so negatively to their presence are tunnel-visioned idiots who are looking to lash out at a group of foreigners because it's easier to take a scape goat and pretend your own society is perfect than to face the fact your own society's got ancient issues that have nothing to do with migrants. It's not to say that mass immigration waves are without problems, and they do increase crime rates pretty much anywhere they happen, but to pretend this increase is somehow more prominent than the crime rates from locals is fucking stupid.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49752517]The entire region of Calais (a department of a larger region, but still) is known for being rather hostile towards foreigners in general. I mean most of France is known for being rather hostile towards foreigners but places like the far north (ie Calais and such) and down South where I live are known as the more rancid places when it comes to xenophobia. Take anything that comes out of these parts with some distance.[/QUOTE] Did many in that region vote for national front?
[QUOTE=kimr120;49753863]Did many in that region vote for national front?[/QUOTE] Not sure if they won the two latest elections (departmental elections and regional elections) but they were very popular. The entire region which includes Calais almost elected FN last year. Same in my region. If the FN doesn't get elected they always come close second.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49752066]She was fucking crying, her life and town is being ruined infront of her eyes and you almost hate her because of a political affiliation with an activist group that doesn't like refugees? Your posts are borderline traitorous at this point. She looked back in fond nostalgia of how [I]gay[/I] Calais is, for christ's sake[/QUOTE] a) pretty sure she wasn't saying Calais was fucking homosexual lol how could you even think this b) "traitorous" what does this even mean [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] also the hilarious narrative of "the police let them do it but if we do anything to them we get arrested!!!!!" [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] i'm going to post this again, this EXACT narrative was taken with Polish immigrants in the UK. down to the anecdotes of roaming gangs of migrants beating people up and the police not doing anything the constant talk of "they'll never integrate because they're from a slavic country who keeps to themselves!" the same talk that occurred with Indian people. literally a pattern of people bitching about different people and then NOTHING HAPPENS
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49758963]a) pretty sure she wasn't saying Calais was fucking homosexual lol how could you even think this b) "traitorous" what does this even mean [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] also the hilarious narrative of "the police let them do it but if we do anything to them we get arrested!!!!!"[/QUOTE] My bad for mistaking the word gay with the word gay. It means what it says. I assume you're not asking for a dictionary definition of the world so I'll rephrase that for you and tell you why I think that. In every thread related to this he comes in and straight away, no matter who it is, or what he/she says, he will find a reason to berate this person's opinion, or outright deny with ferocity the actions taken by the German government to reduce the flow of negative-refugee press. He's what you all accuse Karimatrix of being with Russia, to Germany and I'm not alone in thinking that. See: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1506059&p=49745089&highlight=#post49745089[/url] [t]http://i.imgur.com/iLqjgW2.png[/t] He's not planning to overthrow the government anytime soon, but he's certainly betraying his own people by bluntly disregarding all of their opinions and emotions in favour of economical migrants and the political correctness throne that comes with supporting the influx. This woman may or may not be affiliated with PEGIDA therefore everything she says here is lies. The German girl who posted that video about being afraid in her own town is bullshit The German media doesn't censor anything etc
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49759036]My bad for mistaking the word gay with the word gay. It means what it says. I assume you're not asking for a dictionary definition of the world so I'll rephrase that for you and tell you why I think that. In every thread related to this he comes in and straight away, no matter who it is, or what he/she says, he will find a reason to berate this person's opinion, or outright deny with ferocity the actions taken by the German government to reduce the flow of negative-refugee press. He's what you all accuse Karimatrix of being with Russia, to Germany and I'm not alone in thinking that. See: [URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1506059&p=49745089&highlight=#post49745089[/URL] [t]http://i.imgur.com/iLqjgW2.png[/t] He's not planning to overthrow the government anytime soon, but he's certainly betraying his own people by bluntly disregarding all of their opinions and emotions in favour of economical migrants and the political correctness throne that comes with supporting the influx. This woman may or may not be affiliated with PEGIDA therefore everything she says here is lies. The German girl who posted that video about being afraid in her own town is bullshit The German media doesn't censor anything etc[/QUOTE] "betraying his own people" this language is dangerously close to the "race traitor" logic of racists also 'people' - you're making assumptions about the popularity of pegida which, judging by the counter protests, isn't even close to you being able to say that he's "betraying his own people" [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] have you considered that the reason Killuah always brings up these things, is because these things seem to ALWAYS exist in threads like this? a news article from a right wing website that just HAPPENS to neglect a bit of information (THIS MANY REFUGEES ARE ECONOMIC MIGRANTS IF YOU COUNT THEM IN THIS REALLY FUCKING DETACHED FROM REALITY WAY), a thread like this about a Calais resident whining about refugees who just HAPPENS to be part of an xenophobic, racist group which is fucking lambasted by Germans ([url]http://www.dw.com/en/german-council-of-jews-chairman-condemns-immensely-dangerous-pegida-movement/a-18143163[/url])
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49759052]"betraying his own people" this language is dangerously close to the "race traitor" logic of racists also 'people' - you're making assumptions about the popularity of pegida which, judging by the counter protests, isn't even close to you being able to say that he's "betraying his own people" [editline]17th February 2016[/editline] have you considered that the reason Killuah always brings up these things, is because these things seem to ALWAYS exist in threads like this? a news article from a right wing website that just HAPPENS to neglect a bit of information (THIS MANY REFUGEES ARE ECONOMIC MIGRANTS IF YOU COUNT THEM IN THIS REALLY FUCKING DETACHED FROM REALITY WAY), a thread like this about a Calais resident whining about refugees who just HAPPENS to be part of an xenophobic, racist group which is fucking lambasted by Germans ([url]http://www.dw.com/en/german-council-of-jews-chairman-condemns-immensely-dangerous-pegida-movement/a-18143163[/url])[/QUOTE] Aw hell no. I'm not calling him a race-traitor. Stop looking to brandish me as racist wherever possible. It's strongly supporting the government's actions when they are clearly against the interests of the population. Not the fucking refugees or whatever you want to believe I meant
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