Needs some real work on sound and those animations. Some of the melee and running animations are super awkward, like a janky fighting game without decent blending, like the way the Traitor Marine snaps at 1:57. Assets are really the only very nice looking thing.
It would be really swell to see some 3/40k work done with more complex battle choreography than just "two groups running at each other firing wildly and then swinging into wild melee", though to be fair the same dumb shit is done in every billion dollar budget superhero movie over and over again. You know, this thing:
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It's like the Dawn of War opening where they lose the priceless ancient Dreadnought to a stupid ork with an AT mine because he just had to run up the hill for some reason even though he could cover it with his assault cannon. They literally get tactically outsmarted by orks.
Those models look so nice.
it looks great other than the somewhat dodgy framerate and wonky animations at points
but it sounds awful, like, some of the dialogue is utterly abysmal.
the "don't let them kill my baby" at 1:20 is one of the worst horrors that WH40k has ever shown to me
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;53005507]it looks great other than the somewhat dodgy framerate and wonky animations at points
but it sounds awful, like, some of the dialogue is utterly abysmal.
the "don't let them kill my baby" at 1:20 is one of the worst horrors that WH40k has ever shown to me[/QUOTE]
Don't forget how you can see one terminator practically muzzle-sweep her WHILE FIRING his storm bolter and another do the same thing to his battle brother shortly after.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;53005514]Don't forget how you can see one terminator practically muzzle-sweep her WHILE FIRING his storm bolter and another do the same thing to his battle brother shortly after.[/QUOTE]
You'll find other than Salamanders SM really don't give much of a fuck about civilians other than as imperial assets to be generally protected.
[quote] generic line bashing [/quote]
That's pretty much how combat in 40K is depicted and getting anything different requires money and time, most of which fans don't have. You'll find GW sticks to what shorthand they've established because it works.
[QUOTE=27X;53005535]You'll find other than Salamanders SM really don't give much of a fuck about civilians other than an as imperial assets to be generally protected.[/QUOTE]
And you'll find something completely different if you actually read the Horus Heresy novels. The Great Crusade was an era of optimism and hope for humanity and the Astartes are treated as compassionate, rather normal (super)humans.
Regardless what you think about how they might act, there's no reason they would be swinging their weapons around so randomly. There's no reason they couldn't deliver steady, accurate fire on the move. It's just bad animation.
[editline]25th December 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=27X;53005535]That's pretty much how combat in 40K is depicted and getting anything different requires money and time, most of which fans don't have. You'll find GW sticks to what shorthand they've established because it works.[/QUOTE]
If they have the time and money and effort to make those impressive assets from scratch they can think up something a bit more grounded. To say otherwise would be insulting to them.
I know it's not always depicted as such, but the Ultramarines are actually quite compassionate towards civilians. Not to the extend the Salamanders are, but the Ultramarines will certainly attempt to save lives where they can, so long it doesn't interfere with their objective.
The animations are so janky they kind of break the whole thing apart in my opinion.
[QUOTE=27X;53005535]You'll find other than Salamanders SM really don't give much of a fuck about civilians other than an as imperial assets to be generally protected.[/QUOTE]the year is 30,000-something. you're a veteran of the respected Ultramarines legion, entrusted with the highest quality equipment and armor the nascent Imperium can offer. your Legion's pride lies in its competence, professionalism and discipline. your primarch is Roboute Guilliman, the pragmatic empire-builder fighting for the safety and prosperity of his people, and his realm is one of glory: a shining light in the dark universe, its people proud and productive, its cities clean and sanitated masterworks of architecture and its society an efficient meritocracy like no other.
you're striding through one of such cities in your Terminator armor and with callous indifference you let your storm bolter splatter a civilian across the pavement like tomato sauce. a PR disaster at the best, and an actual war crime [I]even by the standards of the Imperium[/I] at the worst. what do you think is going to happen when your superior finds out, and especially when the primarch finds out? because you getting stripped of your rank and all honours is probably the least that's going to happen.
"space marines are evil pricks durrrrr" isn't an argument that's going to work with the loyalists of the Horus Heresy, especially the toilet seat smurfs.
The evil prick assignation is yours joazzz, we've already had this argument and it didn't have any weight then either, and the video followed that pattern pretty unequivocally. These aren't scouts fresh off the feral world, they're commendated veterans who've apparently decided killing traitors takes priority over protecting civilians up to including a Vet firing line firing directly into them and dropping a tac pod [i]right on top of them[/i], so I'm not sure exactly whom you're trying to zing.
Cause the "casual" scenario you depict is exactly what happens even using rules of action movies.
That drop pod slamming down at 1:06 mark is definitely a World Eater one. Its color scheme is white-blue, and I think there's the open maw symbol on the pod's side.
The civilian getting deleted at 1:22 was due to a WE Terminator, as seen by the chain weapon on his person and the fact he was marching towards Ultramarines' Terminators. Speaking of which...
Termie armor is pretty damn big, making the wielder even taller than regular astartes. I think it'd be safe to say the height in which their guns usually blast goes above average civilian's stature, even more so when they aim at vitals of the enemies (that is to say, chest and head).
[editline]26th December 2017[/editline]
Not to mention this isn't some unrelated world they're defending. It's a planet of Ultramar, Guilliman's realm. I reckon they'd try to avoid civilian deaths when necessary.
I gotta say, visually, it's very pretty and I kind of like the music, and I'll welcome another 40k film alongside lord inquisitor and hellreach if they improve the voice acting
it's too easy to badmouth this kind of thing, but hopefully they take the criticism of the voice acting into consideration but bear in mind guys [I]this is fan made[/I]
We get precious little 40k animations as it is, let's not just shit all over it because it looks like a lot of man hours went into this trailer alone.
The visuals were very nice. I noticed a couple times where the animations looked a little odd, but it was nice otherwise. The voices could use some work though. I think they're trying too hard to emulate the voices and vox effect from the Dawn of War games. I get that it sounds cool, but I couldn't understand most of what the marines were saying. They either need to clean it up and tone back on the voices a little bit or go the route of Space Marine with a simpler vox effect.
[QUOTE=27X;53005649]we've already had this argument and it didn't have any weight then either[/QUOTE]i don't remember that, honestly.
[QUOTE=27X;53005649]including a Vet firing line firing directly into them[/QUOTE]them what? civilians? they're all as good as dead in that direction, there's nothing coming out of the smoke but traitors.
[QUOTE=27X;53005649]and dropping a tac pod [i]right on top of them[/i][/QUOTE]all those drop pods are from the World Eaters, and they're there to murder.
[QUOTE=27X;53005649]so I'm not sure exactly whom you're trying to zing.[/QUOTE]i'm not attempting to "zing" anyone, i'm trying to make a coherent argument based on established lore.
this whole exchange revolves around what's clearly nothing but a particle effect error anyway. for some reason the bolters are firing all the time, one even seems to be shooting into the ground as the Terminator is lifting it up towards the enemy.
[editline]26th December 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Reaper297;53005771]The visuals were very nice. I noticed a couple times where the animations looked a little odd, but it was nice otherwise. The voices could use some work though. I think they're trying too hard to emulate the voices and vox effect from the Dawn of War games. I get that it sounds cool, but I couldn't understand most of what the marines were saying. They either need to clean it up and tone back on the voices a little bit or go the route of Space Marine with a simpler vox effect.[/QUOTE]the traitor voice lines were pretty good, but overall the trailer's mixing is just horrendous. it's like the loudness war: the volume of everything is boosted out to the max, all channels are full from top to bottom and it becomes a chaotic mess where the music drowns out the spoken lines. the (presumable) Dreadnought line at the end is so loud it actually clips.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;53005450]They literally get tactically outsmarted by orks.[/QUOTE]
To be fair this happens surprisingly regularly because a lot of people underestimate how 'clever' orks can be.
There's a story in one of the old sourcebooks about an ork army forming to the west of an Imperial city, so the Imperium makes a massive wall across the western side of the whole continent to defend against the orks. But the orks never attacked, so the command assumed that the army had turned on itself and the orks were no longer a threat.
A little over a year later, there's an ork attack from the east. The orks had decided to simply march across the entire fucking planet just to attack the Imperium from behind.
This was pretty cool for something done by one person in 1 year.
That Lord Inquisitor prologue that got posted a while back took 6 years and was just 9 minutes of long drawn out shots of buildings and looping walk cycles on models that were identical to one another.
[QUOTE=L'Citizen;53005951]To be fair this happens surprisingly regularly because a lot of people underestimate how 'clever' orks can be.
There's a story in one of the old sourcebooks about an ork army forming to the west of an Imperial city, so the Imperium makes a massive wall across the western side of the whole continent to defend against the orks. But the orks never attacked, so the command assumed that the army had turned on itself and the orks were no longer a threat.
A little over a year later, there's an ork attack from the east. The orks had decided to simply march across the entire fucking planet just to attack the Imperium from behind.[/QUOTE]and in more updated lore, the Waaagh! of the Beast out-tech'd and out-strategized the entire Imperium
when left without demigod leaders, the Imperium really wears its pants on its head and scrambles over itself whenever there's a huge disaster, so they get outsmarted by things like the Orks
which is part of the reason why i find the Great Crusade/Horus Heresy side of the universe more fascinating - the Imperium was yet to turn into a complete and total dystopia and was ruled by (relatively) benevolent tyrants with hope for the future instead of selfish, incompetent bureaucrats, and then everything went into total shit
[video=youtube;FhULhHCk_D8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhULhHCk_D8[/video]
He uploaded a version with better mixed voices.
I gotta say, it's the little things that make this.
The way the shells explode off the Terminator's forcefields was the most impressive part of the whole video to me, I'm sold.
[QUOTE=27X;53005535]You'll find other than Salamanders SM really don't give much of a fuck about civilians other than as imperial assets to be generally protected.
That's pretty much how combat in 40K is depicted and getting anything different requires money and time, most of which fans don't have. You'll find GW sticks to what shorthand they've established because it works.[/QUOTE]
You'd be kinda-sorta-not-really right if this movie wasn't about the Horus Heresy. Theres a book about the battle of Calth and no where in it does it mention Space Marine legions wildly flailing their guns about and not caring about civilians, you know, the thing their primarch wants to protect.
Other books on space marine legions, even in 40k, give harsh punishments for improper weapon use. In one of the Uriel Ventris books (first one I think) he gave one of his subordinates a few weeks of fasting for a similar offense. In another Uriel Ventris book, he commits his platoon to a doomed planet with the express purpose to save civilians, even though theres a Inquisitor there with the ability to destroy the planet along with the Tyranid fleet.
You're just plain wrong dood.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;53006758]You'd be kinda-sorta-not-really right if this movie wasn't about the Horus Heresy. Theres a book about the battle of Calth and no where in it does it mention Space Marine legions wildly flailing their guns about and not caring about civilians, you know, the thing their primarch wants to protect.
Other books on space marine legions, even in 40k, give harsh punishments for improper weapon use. In one of the Uriel Ventris books (first one I think) he gave one of his subordinates a few weeks of fasting for a similar offense. In another Uriel Ventris book, he commits his platoon to a doomed planet with the express purpose to save civilians, even though theres a Inquisitor there with the ability to destroy the planet along with the Tyranid fleet.
You're just plain wrong dood.[/QUOTE]
No, no I'm not and there's plenty of stuff I could dig up and none of it is secondary canon. It's the main crux of the entire Space Wolf issue with modern imperial edict in general, and used by writers up to including Abnett to directly differentiate the state of the imperium after the Heresy.
And I wasn't talking specifically and only about the heresy to begin with, I said specifically SM chapters do not care about the state of civilians especially individuals, and they don't.
The entire characterization arc of the PCs in Dawn of War II covers this directly, and the "canon" traitor and his main antagonist come to issue directly over this, because the traitor has been there done that so much that any hint of empathy for imperial citizens has been gone for literally centuries, and his antagonist compatriot is literally fresh of the farm and thinks this should be the main goal of the Blood Raven push back to the detriment of everything else. The "wise old sarge" of the group sides with the aspect that the Chapter simply can't afford to waste now dwindling resources protecting everyone and the chapter recruiting worlds come first over more public and open targets, and only the Force Commander has the authority to override that stratgem.
The entire thrust of the last DLC for DoW2 literally hinges on the fact that the Imperium fires first up to and including Exterminatus and protects when it's logistically convenient.
[QUOTE=27X;53007201]No, no I'm not and there's plenty of stuff I could dig up and none of it is secondary canon. [/quote]
Could you actually do that?
[QUOTE=27X;53007201]
And I wasn't talking specifically and only about the heresy to begin with, I said specifically SM chapters do not care about the state of civilians especially individuals, and they don't.
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I mean, you're still wrong.
[QUOTE=27X;53007201]
The entire characterization arc of the PCs in Dawn of War II covers this directly, and the "canon" traitor and his main antagonist come to issue directly over this, because the traitor has been there done that so much that any hint of empathy for imperial citizens has been gone for literally centuries, and his antagonist compatriot is literally fresh of the farm and thinks this should be the main goal of the Blood Raven push back to the detriment of everything else. The "wise old sarge" of the group sides with the aspect that the Chapter simply can't afford to waste now dwindling resources protecting everyone and the chapter recruiting worlds come first over more public and open targets, and only the Force Commander has the authority to override that stratgem.
The entire thrust of the last DLC for DoW2 literally hinges on the fact that the Imperium fires first up to and including Exterminatus and protects when it's logistically convenient.[/quote]
Oh, so what you mean is that Space Marines care for civilians and purposefully try not to kill them, even if it's inconvinient, but the imperium, especially inquisition, does not care for it's populous? You know, the thing you said was wrong? The thing we've said in the first place?
Yea, Space marine legions in 40k are stretched to thin to save every single world, but they very clearly save the ones they can, especially if it's under their "rule", because they care for the populous of that world. Their refusal to over commit does not mean that the 40k legions don't give a fuck about civilians. It means they're smart enough to realize that their involvement in some cases will cause more deaths than lives saved.
I mean you're both right and wrong.
There's more Chapters than you can shake a spoon at, so while you'll generally see Salamanders or Ultramarines protecting civvies and being careful around them, you're just as likely to see Iron Hands pressgang 1/10th of a planet into servitude to replace the servitors they lost defending it.
Bottom line is that 40k is big enough to be inconsistent on most things.
There are rude SM chapters, then there are absolute asshat chapters. And then there's Marines Malevolent.
We don't talk about Marines Malevolent.
The shot of those Terminators marching forward while bolter shots were being deflected by their shield was just too good.
Sometimes I wish I knew anything at all about Warhammer, I feel like so much is lost on me because all I can see is a cool, really cool animation despite some "flaws" that really entices me to learn about this universe.
i'm so sorry but with the dude's face at 2:27 all i could think of was this
[video=youtube;gLhpJsIEQXc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLhpJsIEQXc[/video]
[QUOTE=Bragdras;53008223]Sometimes I wish I knew anything at all about Warhammer, I feel like so much is lost on me because all I can see is a cool, really cool animation despite some "flaws" that really entices me to learn about this universe.[/QUOTE]
If you're a reader there's a ridiculous amount of literature that would take you years to get through. The majority of it is really good and the stuff that isn't is still ridiculous over the top 40k action.
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