• A kid donates and thanks a streamer for helping him get through depression. Said streamer then insul
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[video=youtube;q-nUigOMRwc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-nUigOMRwc[/video] This guy worked for Hi-Rez a few hours ago. Suffice to say that he is no longer employed there. [URL="http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soj5d3"]His twitter 'apology' is worse.[/URL]
The way he's worded it was extremely shitty but he's got a point. You shouldn't be putting a burden like that on someone you don't know personally, as it can affect them negatively.
I will never understand the "suicide is selfish" mentality. If somebody wants/wanted to die then don't go calling them a stupid asshole; that just makes thing worse.
i understand his point of view but the way he expressed it was way too harsh lol "go fuck yourself", "you're an asshole", etc. completely unnecessary.
[QUOTE=Fancy Godgineer;50163603]The way he's worded it was extremely shitty but he's got a point. You shouldn't be putting a burden like that on someone you don't know personally, as it can affect them negatively.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between using negative emotions to burden someone and literally having suicidal thoughts. He's saying that it's selfish to want to kill yourself, that's not the same thing whatsoever.
what the fuck???? he had a point somewhere deep in all that, but he didn't have to be such a 200% prick about it... and then he had the audacity to make [I]himself[/I] the victim? jesus christ, dude, even if you feel that way, the [B]worst[/B] thing you should've done would be to ignore the message. there's a time and a place to voice your opinions on suicide and it's not when someone is thanking you for helping stop them from doing it what an asshole
Damn what a tool, does he not even understand how mental diseases work? "I'm trying to wake you up a little bit", hot damn. He needs to pull his head out of his ass.
I do understand what Brandon's saying and his viewpoint, however he's argued it so poorly and with so much hate that it's come to bite him in the ass. What Brandon tried to say was that the donator had enough power to help himself that he shouldn't foist what he done onto others, and that he's not going to take credit for something a man did to talk himself out of suicide. On the other hand I disagree that suicide is selfish completely.
"I wanna die cause im a piece of shit" "Wow youre a selfish piece of shit" "yeah. *hangs self*" Wow so helpful and smart.
"Thanks for making me feel better." "wow ur an asshole" Telling suicidal people that they're selfish is like telling Atlas that he's selfish for not wanting to hold up the moon as well. The last fucking thing you should do to a depressed person is invalidate their feelings and tell them that they should endure their inner suffering while telling them that they're the selfish ones. It'll just make them feel worse, and if you don't support suicide, why the hell would you try to make a suicidal person feel worse.
It's pretty terrible because what this guy is saying is the equivalent of "Get over it". People who are depressive and suicidal need some coping and external help -- you can't just yell at them and expect them to get better on their own. All he's doing is effectively shifting the weight off his own shoulders and calling the kid selfish for telling him about it; while its understandable that people don't want to be placed in that position, he went about it in a horrible horrible way. It's the equivalent of watching someone getting ready to jump off a building and yelling at them for being selfish and placing you in the position of having to experience it. Like what the fuck? What an awful human being.
Jesus, did he think for a second this would fly with the company at all.
[quote]Last night, people were playing devil's advocate for suicide. People were honestly attacking me for saying that Suicide is not the answer. People were getting massively upvoted, saying things like "Suicide should be a person's choice." I can't battle things like this, honestly. I don't know how people's hate for me in a video game got so great that they'd take the side of suicide just to continue arguing. And that shouldn't be placed on anyone but me.[/quote] it's been an entire night/day and he still doesn't understand why people are upset with him. instead of realizing it's his own fault with his words that created this incident, he blames it on people misconstruing his words and inventing a reason to hate him.
If this guy truly believes that suicide is selfish and doesn't want the person thanking him to commit suicide, then why would he say such horrible things to them? Wouldn't this worsen their suicidal condition after it might have improved? This streamer is one of the dumbest people I have ever seen; his negative words may have a very negative affect on the person they were addressed to; they may bring back their suicidal state. Also, I don't believe that suicide is selfish. but that's just my opinion and it's irrelevant in this case.
Well good to know that his career is now finished. Criticizing someone about a debilitating illness when they had thanked him for helping them through it is a douche move. I mean okay, the person could have worded it better to something like "I was going through a rough patch, things got bad but you helped me through it." Not that being straight forward is a bad thing, it's just that no one wants to hear that someone tried to kill themselves because that in itself is fairly depressing and leaves people kind of stuck wondering what to say or do about that piece of information. It puts people on the spot and it can be awkward if you're not familiar with said situation. This guy just went full asshole in a blink of an eye for no reason. [QUOTE=Reflex F.N.;50163775]Also, I don't believe that suicide is selfish. but that's just my opinion and it's irrelevant in this case.[/QUOTE] I don't believe it's selfish either. It's not exactly something people choose lightly. And even then I'm not sure that choose is the right word for it.
[QUOTE=Fancy Godgineer;50163603]The way he's worded it was extremely shitty but he's got a point. You shouldn't be putting a burden like that on someone you don't know personally, as it can affect them negatively.[/QUOTE] how did he put a burden on the streamer???? literally only the opposite would happen unless you're a twat, like said streamer
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;50163760]Jesus, did he think for a second this would fly with the company at all.[/QUOTE] more like, did he think for a second this would fly [I]with any normal person at all?[/I] i'm seriously baffled that he thought saying something like this in this context would go any other way than the way it has gone. this is the problem with a lot (emphasis on not all of them) of live-streamers: they get stuck in their own echo chamber and see themselves as celebrities/stars incapable of saying anything wrong. people back up what their saying and suddenly they think they're geniuses. they think being the center of attention validates all of their opinions and then end up saying terrible shit like this while still maintaining the shtick of overacting that is so prevalent in live-streaming. i think this line from his apology is pretty telling in particular [quote]A flair for the extreme, I've been known for. [/quote] no, dude, you just fell for the overacting, angry live-streamer meme and applied it to something as terrible as suicide. go fuck yourself.
This really brings up a lot of memories of an old teacher of mine saying basically the same thing when I reached out to her. Surprise surprise, it fucked any confidence I had getting help for years after. Don't tell suicidal people they're selfish. You're not giving them a wakeup call; you're making things worse, and it's about as awful as telling someone they're an asshole for getting cancer.
This is like, the exact opposite thing you do for a suicidal person. What the fuck.
The whole "suicide is selfish" thing seems like a very "outside perspective". Like you look at the situation and all you see is "well that guy did what he wanted, and now everyone else is sad/messed up. What a selfish douche". But it doesn't get into the mindset of that suicidal person. If someone commits suicide out of depression, they're usually not just holding their life in low regard, they think it's so much less than worthless that everyone would be better off without them. They feel like they're a waste of biomass and every bit of time and attention anyone has ever foolishly given them. Nobody would actually miss them after the initial natural gut reaction, they'd be doing so much better without that miserable dead weight around their ankles. It's completely messed-up chemistry and a mentality that's probably been spiraling downwards for months or years until it hit a mental corner. From there it's just a matter of time until the suicide option pops up so frequently in your head that you get desensitized, overcome your instinctual fear as the last line of defense, and start to consider it more and more seriously. It's like some screwed up mental cancer that wants to kill you from the inside out. It infects your thoughts, perspectives, judgments and biases, tilts them and uses them against you. Everything only starts to make sense when it further proves you are trash, and everything else seems fake and worthless.
This was really dumb all around. It's really hard to talk about mental illnesses without putting a lot of thought into it or having experience with it. It's playing with fire, honestly. The safest and smartest thing to do would be to acknowledge it briefly and move on, period. But instead he did the stupid thing and tried to (poorly) cram his viewpoint into it.
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;50163613]I will never understand the "suicide is selfish" mentality. If somebody wants/wanted to die then don't go calling them a stupid asshole; that just makes thing worse.[/QUOTE] "wow, you weren't thinking about ME when you were grappling with a debilitating mental illness? selfish much?"
What a dick sucker
"Suicide is selfish" is technically correct in most cases, but one of those things you never actually say to people as it helps absolutely nothing. To be selfish is to lack consideration for others; when a suicidally depressed person believes that they are better off dead, and that everyone else around them would be better off with them dead, there is clearly a lack of understanding of reality and an incapability of actually understanding other people's own experiences, wishes, and wants (i.e., people not truthfully wanting them to commit suicide). This is why you don't say that suicide is selfish; it is absolutely correct, but it also fails to understand and address the core mental sickness. It is the mental sickness causing the selfish attitude and it is outside of their control. They are deluded in their mindset and they need help, not yelling.
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;50163918]The whole "suicide is selfish" thing seems like a very "outside perspective". Like you look at the situation and all you see is "well that guy did what he wanted, and now everyone else is sad/messed up. What a selfish douche". But it doesn't get into the mindset of that suicidal person. If someone commits suicide out of depression, they're usually not just holding their life in low regard, they think it's so much less than worthless that everyone would be better off without them. They feel like they're a waste of biomass and every bit of time and attention anyone has ever foolishly given them. Nobody would actually miss them after the initial natural gut reaction, they'd be doing so much better without that miserable dead weight around their ankles. It's completely messed-up chemistry and a mentality that's probably been spiraling downwards for months or years until it hit a mental corner. From there it's just a matter of time until the suicide option pops up so frequently in your head that you get desensitized, overcome your instinctual fear as the last line of defense, and start to consider it more and more seriously. It's like some screwed up mental cancer that wants to kill you from the inside out. It infects your thoughts, perspectives, judgments and biases, tilts them and uses them against you. Everything only starts to make sense when it further proves you are trash, and everything else seems fake and worthless.[/QUOTE] Someone who's contemplated suicide can't say it's selfish then? I disagree with that notion. The guy in the video is being a dick regardless but I agree with SharpTeeth it's such a touchy predicament it's not worth arguing semantics or experiences I guess, regardless of who you are or what you've been through. It's always something different don't generalize it. I can't believe the asshole in the video though, the nerve of this guy.
I respect his right to have this mentality, but I don't respect the mentality itself. I won't bother posting why I think this mentally is completely illogical, mainly because I think I'll be rehashing the ideas said above. I will also add that everybody should have the fundamental right to suicide - nobody chooses to be born and subjected to the human experience. I'd debate it is selfish to keep that person alive. Let it also be said that this is a very broad statement, and does not take into account individuals with depression and other mental abnormalities. I completely disagree with this person and would like to see this mentality commit suicide.
[QUOTE=MenteR;50163615]i understand his point of view but the way he expressed it was way too harsh lol "go fuck yourself", "you're an asshole", etc. completely unnecessary.[/QUOTE] He's in the middle of a match, it's not really realistic to be at his most sensitive mood.
Egh, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything. I probably could have worded that a little better. It's just a complex thing and everyone is different, so don't say the whole "suicide is selfish" is an outsider thought because it's not. It's stopped more than a few people making a bad decision alright, I'll leave it at that. [Editline]oops [/editline] Aw man my merge.
[QUOTE=LSK;50164157]Egh, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything. I probably could have worded that a little better. It's just a complex thing and everyone is different, so don't say the whole "suicide is selfish" is an outsider thought because it's not. It's stopped more than a few people making a bad decision alright, I'll leave it at that. [Editline]oops [/editline] Aw man my merge.[/QUOTE] Here's a scenario where the "suicide is selfish"-mindset is unethical/illogical. ---- Person A, without intention, becomes born. Person A develops x disease and as a result ,is subjected to constant pain - no realistic cure. Person A would like to commit suicide "Suicide is selfish" Person A cannot choose to end their own life because it would cause others suffering. Person A will have prolonged suffering at the expense of the satisfaction of others. ----- "Keeping Person A alive, if they wish to commit suicide, is selfish" [editline]19th April 2016[/editline] Because you didn't choose to be born, you don't owe anyone anything (with regards to being kept alive)
[QUOTE=exhale77;50164242]Here's a scenario where the "suicide is selfish"-mindset is unethical/illogical. ---- Person A, without intention, becomes born. Person A develops x disease and as a result ,is subjected to constant pain - no realistic cure. Person A would like to commit suicide "Suicide is selfish" Person A cannot choose to end their own life because it would cause others suffering. Person A will have prolonged suffering at the expense of the satisfaction of others. ----- "Keeping Person A alive, if they wish to commit suicide, is selfish" [editline]19th April 2016[/editline] Because you didn't choose to be born, you don't owe anyone anything (with regards to being kept alive)[/QUOTE] All I'm saying is see it from the other perspective, no matter what someone is stuck with the pieces regardless of what end of the spectrum you're on. It's a slippery slope, just have a little understanding for everyone involved. Would you tell that to a parent who lost their son/daughter to suicide? When it gets down to it the very least you could do is not be a complete ass to one of your Twitch subscribers that you've made a real difference to.
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