[video=youtube;Fl_r7rIcds8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl_r7rIcds8[/video]
u wot m8?
It's about an hour long but... entertaining
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I doubt it, you gotta share with everybody else.
Interesting. Western culture is very desexualized. Especially in America, it's just one of those things people avoid talking about.
[QUOTE=Binladen34;41653237]Interesting. Western culture is very desexualized. Especially in America, it's just one of those things people avoid talking about.[/QUOTE]
western culture is absurdly sexualised what are you talking about
the fact that we're embarrassed to talk about sex only reflects the weight we put on it
I love it when SBS plays sex stuff like this, the days of 1am SBS porn
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41659259]western culture is absurdly sexualised what are you talking about
the fact that we're embarrassed to talk about sex only reflects the weight we put on it[/QUOTE]
It's desexualized, but we put sex on a pedestal and proclaim it to be such a special thing which causes it to have that weight and importance and thus the shame that comes with it for most people.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;41659308]It's desexualized, but we put sex on a pedestal and proclaim it to be such a special thing which causes it to have that weight and importance and thus the shame that comes with it for most people.[/QUOTE]
sexuality is the very first thing any advertiser goes to to help sell something, you have to try very hard to find a popular music video that isn't ass 'n' titties and an most fictional depictions of women are very sexualized.
you cannot possibly claim that western culture isn't basicly completely and unhealthily obsessed with sex
From a popular culture standpoint yes I agree, but I think it's because so many people think of it as something super special. Advertisers use it because the whole society makes it something that is supposed to be wrong and thus we want it more. The wrongness of it is what makes it desirable.
And I think the root of that is such a christian influence in the development of the west, especially the US.
I think the more important issue than religion and openness to sexuality that we can garner from this situation is the economic situation. In East Germany women were allowed to work and participate in the public sphere with the men, leading to more equality and so more sexual/emotional equality as well, leading to a more fulfilling sex life for women there.
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;41659778]sexuality is the very first thing any advertiser goes to to help sell something, you have to try very hard to find a popular music video that isn't ass 'n' titties and an most fictional depictions of women are very sexualized.
you cannot possibly claim that western culture isn't basicly completely and unhealthily obsessed with sex[/QUOTE]
They go to it because it is "forbidden". Of course society is sexual, all societies are, but the reason why advertisers go for that is because it's desirable, it's forbidden, it's something that we all have but we want more. Like in the video, they describe the West as making it to be a "competition"- and so it is- best bodies, best sex, faster, stronger, hotter. So while the majority of people are held in bondage of their sexual wants, because anyone in a public place would shame them for even mentioning their sex life, advertisement says "Hey, [I]sex sex sex[/I], look how awesome this sex is, look how amazing these people are". Because we are constantly bombarded to expect [I]the most amazing, best, unrealisticly awesome[/I] sex through pornography and advertisement and television, and we don't often get that met in the real world, they can still throw that at us and lure us in with the promise- or vague association- of the sex that it the best.
So while our culture is sexualized it isn't in the same way as a socialist nation, where sex is normal and kept "real" per se. In a society like that, sex is just a normal thing and because it isn't hidden or shamed, then there's nothing to advertise, and because there's nothing to advertise about it then people don't have this want to have [I]that awesome amazing unrealistc[/I] sex. They were plenty happy with what they had to work with, and because of the lax social and political constraints people had more easy access to it earlier on and through their life.
So I would argue we aren't a sexualized culture, in that we are open and accepting of sex, but rather our culture plays off of our want for "manufactured" sexual relationships. And while our culture is becoming more open and integrating of that sort of outlook- both the socialistic and the unrealistic- I would challenge most people of middle or upper class status- or even lower class- to go to a fmaily member, or a close friend, or coworker or anyone you know and simply straight out try to start a conversation about sex, or sexual habits, or anything of that sort and see what sort of reaction you get. It's different, the way that the cultures were sexualized, and I would argue that our society is less open and accepting of it.
Sex is a pesky, venomous thing a lot of the time and interferes with everything. I wouldn't know whether or not to choose a society where it is shameful and forbidden for the commoner to talk about it but it still secretly has a choke hold on most people, or a society where someone can be entirely open about it, even to the detriment of others, but (supposedly) it doesn't have as much weight or control over everyone.
Either way, it still causes nightmares and things for people who are quaint or not in touch with ~their beast~ or ~their sexual spirit~ (it can go either way). I guess I could pin that down on humans themselves, though, but as long as I keep getting fucked over by it and its affects on society I'm gonna be a prude.
Is this Propaganda? I genuinly can't tell.
It looks more like Femmunism?
wow
this is interesting
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;41660513]Sex is a pesky, venomous thing a lot of the time and interferes with everything. I wouldn't know whether or not to choose a society where it is shameful and forbidden for the commoner to talk about it but it still secretly has a choke hold on most people, or a society where someone can be entirely open about it, even to the detriment of others, but (supposedly) it doesn't have as much weight or control over everyone.
Either way, it still causes nightmares and things for people who are quaint or not in touch with ~their beast~ or ~their sexual spirit~ (it can go either way). I guess I could pin that down on humans themselves, though, but as long as I keep getting fucked over by it and its affects on society I'm gonna be a prude.[/QUOTE]
That's the wrong attitude to have. It's ok not to be open or inviting of sex, but there's no reason why we need to shun or hide it. I'm confused how one can be open about it, but it be a detriment on others.
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[QUOTE=The mouse;41660583]Is this Propaganda? I genuinly can't tell.
It looks more like Femmunism?[/QUOTE]
It's a documentary. The message isn't skewed either way- if you think an open and accepting sexual society is ok, then you might see it as being biased towards the East, but if you think that we need to have more strict "morals" and restrict sexual openess, then you will lean towards the west.
Believe it or not, the socialist nations aren't 100% evil and bad in every single way. There were good features of them.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];41660860']That's the wrong attitude to have. It's ok not to be open or inviting of sex, but there's no reason why we need to shun or hide it. I'm confused how one can be open about it, but it be a detriment on others.[/QUOTE]
Giving someone the wrong idea about sex can fuck over a relationship, discomfort people, encouraging people to be raunchy or free love or something can cause a lot of damage (especially to someone like me, it had given one of my partners a lot of ways to be emotionally violent or emotionally abusive and such).
Sex, monogamy, the concept of morals, and the higher human consciousness don't intersect well at all, but I blame sex and not the latter things. I'm asexual, I've only had negative experiences with sex and people who aren't prudish about it, so I want to denounce and drive away the thing that harms me and had a major hand in ruining my relationships. People seem to link being more accepting of sexuality to being more accepting of degenerates like adulterers and people who use sex to manipulate others, and so you see people getting called "slut-shamers" when they call out someone for cheating or flaunting themselves and discomforting or harming people, so as long as the idea of accepting sexuality is linked with accepting bad people, I'm gonna be against it.
Being accepting of sex and letting people be ~sexual beings~ and all that isn't inherently wrong, but there is [i]so[/i] much goddamn baggage that goes along with it that makes it absolutely unacceptable to someone like me, because if I did accept it along with all of that baggage, I would pretty much be kissing everything I stand for and everything I need to survive without slipping into some lifelong bout of melancholy goodbye.
Wanna know why they were fucking so much? they didn't have anything else to do.
[QUOTE=The mouse;41660583]Is this Propaganda? I genuinly can't tell.
It looks more like Femmunism?[/QUOTE]
this fucking forum sometimes
[QUOTE=Brt5470;41659308]It's desexualized, but we put sex on a pedestal and proclaim it to be such a special thing which causes it to have that weight and importance and thus the shame that comes with it for most people.[/QUOTE]
We are insanely sexualized, but instead of widely accepting it like in eastern culture, we have it as kind of a near-okay taboo, granting an air of danger and excitement to it
By making sex a kind of "dont talk about it" thing, we control many things using it.
Having grown up in a Catholic family, I can't imagine living in a culture where sex is so openly discussed and accepted publicly. Sure, it's fine when I'm talking with my friends about it, but talking about sexuality with my own family or with people in public is unheard of.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;41660999]Giving someone the wrong idea about sex can fuck over a relationship, discomfort people, encouraging people to be raunchy or free love or something can cause a lot of damage (especially to someone like me, it had given one of my partners a lot of ways to be emotionally violent or emotionally abusive and such).
Sex, monogamy, the concept of morals, and the higher human consciousness don't intersect well at all, but I blame sex and not the latter things. I'm asexual, I've only had negative experiences with sex and people who aren't prudish about it, so I want to denounce and drive away the thing that harms me and had a major hand in ruining my relationships. People seem to link being more accepting of sexuality to being more accepting of degenerates like adulterers and people who use sex to manipulate others, and so you see people getting called "slut-shamers" when they call out someone for cheating or flaunting themselves and discomforting or harming people, so as long as the idea of accepting sexuality is linked with accepting bad people, I'm gonna be against it.
Being accepting of sex and letting people be ~sexual beings~ and all that isn't inherently wrong, but there is [i]so[/i] much goddamn baggage that goes along with it that makes it absolutely unacceptable to someone like me, because if I did accept it along with all of that baggage, I would pretty much be kissing everything I stand for and everything I need to survive without slipping into some lifelong bout of melancholy goodbye.[/QUOTE]
tl;dr:
you don't like sex because you can't separate it from emotional issues unique to your experience, and are incapable of making the distinction between emotion and sex.
i.e. "It means something bad [I]to me[/I] therefore it is unacceptable socially."
Oh god, oh GOD!
IM CUMMMINGNISM!
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];41668182']tl;dr:
you don't like sex because you can't separate it from emotional issues unique to your experience, and are incapable of making the distinction between emotion and sex.
i.e. "It means something bad [I]to me[/I] therefore it is unacceptable socially."[/QUOTE]
The connection between sex and emotions is what causes problems (and don't you dare deny that it doesn't exist), my problems aren't unique to me. I'd rather shame people who cause people damage than disconnect sex from emotion (not that I could). You see people using the emotions connected to sex to do damage and discomfort people all the time.
Communism? Sex? This is my kind of thread!
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;41669219]The connection between sex and emotions is what causes problems (and don't you dare deny that it doesn't exist), my problems aren't unique to me. I'd rather shame people who cause people damage than disconnect sex from emotion (not that I could). You see people using the emotions connected to sex to do damage and discomfort people all the time.[/QUOTE]
There are plenty of people and plenty of cultures that have sexual relationships without emotional ones. It is common in our culture, because of upbringing and religious influence, for us to have both sexual and emotional relationships hand and hand, but casual sexual relationships, or non-sexual emotional relationships are becoming more common and indeed were in communist countries, more than in the West.
You can have sexual relationships that aren't emotional, and emotional relationships that aren't sexual, and ones that are both. If I were to go into another relationship, it would really have to be one where it was emotional, but both of us were free to be open sexually with other people. And there's nothing wrong with that, because so long as I know that emotionally the relationship is sound there's nothing wrong with my partner getting sexual gratification from someone else, and same with me. What happens physically isn't as important. I fell you're putting too much stock into what someone else does physically and not enough in what happens emotionally, because those can be separate things.
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