What's the point of having a solar powered quad in the UK since it always rains there?
Did he just try to claim that gas ATVs only get 20-30 miles of range at ~1:07 to try and talk up the electric one? Because your range can wildly vary depending on the terrain but even absolute worst case scenario in actually rough terrain (it's hilarious what he thinks is rough terrain) you should get way more than he's claiming
I mean don't get me wrong EVs are pretty cool and it's neat that there's a farm running on solar power to be independent from needing gas but you should never make wildly irresponsible flase claims to try and promote a product you like
[QUOTE=Elspin;50481239]Did he just try to claim that gas ATVs only get 20-30 miles of range at ~1:07 to try and talk up the electric one? Because your range can wildly vary depending on the terrain but even absolute worst case scenario in actually rough terrain (it's hilarious what he thinks is rough terrain) you should get way more than he's claiming
I mean don't get me wrong EVs are pretty cool and it's neat that there's a farm running on solar power to be independent from needing gas but you should never make wildly irresponsible flase claims to try and promote a product you like[/QUOTE]
He does have experience with them from doing Scrapheap Challenge. Maybe they used some really small one? If they bothered to use Li-ion batteries then they probably could get 100+ miles easy if they are getting 20 - 30 miles off a 2.4KWh battery.
[QUOTE=Morgen;50481374]He does have experience with them from doing Scrapheap Challenge. Maybe they used some really small one? If they bothered to use Li-ion batteries then they probably could get 100+ miles easy if they are getting 20 - 30 miles off a 2.4KWh battery.[/QUOTE]
It would be even worse if he was intentionally comparing what appears to be a similar build to a suzuki vinson 500cc work ATV to some tiny little shit that gets no range. Fact of the matter is he flat out lied about what typical range is, and he should be called on it. This is not up for debate:
[thumb]http://www.energyresourcefulness.org/Images/energy_density_batteries_vs_gasoline.jpg[/thumb]
Sure, you can add a metric tonne of batteries to something to give it a decent range but the fact of the matter is we've had the same major battery chemistry for over a decade and it sucks. It's explosive, the circuitry is a pain in the dick to manage the fuckers so they don't drain themselves into non-functionality and generally ruin your day, and their energy density is just a big load of ass. The farthest ever driven in an electric [b]car[/b] as far as I can find was ~423 miles (though there are lots of vans packed to capacity with batteries that have gone further), whereas the farthest ice car went 1626 miles. It's not a competition, gas just has way more energy density. That doesn't mean there isn't value in electric vehicles, it's really cool it can charge with solar panels off the grid, but no matter the values you can't just lie about its faults to promote it
Gas may win in energy density, but electric motors are much more efficient.
[QUOTE=Bonzai11;50485332]Gas may win in energy density, but electric motors are much more efficient.[/QUOTE]
Even comparing Gasoline to the absolute best case for rechargable lithium ion, you get 53x the energy density in gasoline. So even at the typical range of ICE engines (~20%, drastically higher for certain things like jet engines), it's still ~10x more dense than a hypothetical 100% efficient electric system, about ~12x higher if the electrical is at 90%. That's insane. Companies often pay out the ass to get 15% more from their product, 10x more is pretty mental. If I was asked what area of technology is desperately behind, it'd be batteries.
Corey Spencer on this forum (sorry I forget his FP handle) did 550 miles in his Tesla Model S 85D. The chemistry is improving every year now thanks to Tesla's and Panasonic's efforts, with cost decreasing as well. Batteries are probably never going to beat out an ICE in terms of range though. If he did lie about it then he should be called out about it. If you leave him a YouTube comment then maybe he will clarify how he got the figure, he replies to quite a few comments.
Once the Gigafactory starts producing batteries we will probably see a Tesla with a 100 KWh battery pack (it was datamined from the car firmware) later this year.
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