• Sweden's Social Justice Blacklist
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[video=youtube;qXwzCZ3hHeg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXwzCZ3hHeg&feature=em-subs_digest[/video] Absolutely hilarious (also pretty creepy), people like Richard Dawkins are on this blacklist. Any Swedes on here able to explain just how insane your government is, and how it got to this stage?
The @sweden handle is given to a Swedish citizen each week. Last week it was given to someone that thought it'd be a good idea to block 12k users and publish a list of it. The arrangers of the @sweden handle now has removed the blocked users. [url]https://si.se/si-avblockerar-konton-pa-sweden/[/url]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;52240685]The @sweden handle is given to a Swedish citizen each week. Last week it was given to someone that thought it'd be a good idea to block 12k users and publish a list of it. The arrangers of the @sweden handle now has removed the blocked users. [url]https://si.se/si-avblockerar-konton-pa-sweden/[/url][/QUOTE] Wow that's interesting, maybe they now understand how bad of an idea that is.
Seems a bit sensationalized to me. It's just a twitter-account?
jontron and pewdiepie were on there as well.
[QUOTE=Galaxy;52240722]Seems a bit sensationalized to me. It's just a twitter-account?[/QUOTE] its sargon, hes not really known for his reading
are we really posting sargon here? just read the comments, there's a reason this guy has cultivated an insane audience
[QUOTE=Camdude90;52240765]are we really posting sargon here? just read the comments, there's a reason this guy has cultivated an insane audience[/QUOTE] Guy is usually ridiculously long winded and a major pain in the ass to listen to him so i usually don't, but i've never seen him say something i found idiotic or strongly disagreed with. He's usually good at analysis and his arguments are sound, his presentation and commentary is a different story. You don't really think the quality of someone's youtube comments is a valid argument against them being posted do you?
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52240811]Guy is usually ridiculously long winded and a major pain in the ass to listen to him so i usually don't, but i've never seen him say something i found idiotic or strongly disagreed with. He's usually good at analysis and his arguments are sound, his presentation and commentary is a different story. You don't really think the quality of someone's youtube comments is a valid argument against them being posted do you?[/QUOTE] He often misrepresents stuff to some extent. I guess it's better than outright lying, but... not great if you want to know what's actually going on.
[QUOTE=Camdude90;52240765]are we really posting sargon here? just read the comments, there's a reason this guy has cultivated an insane audience[/QUOTE] People post kotaku and polygon articles all the time. News is legitimate whenever it's convenient.
Doesn't even mention that it's twitter accounts, deliberately goes out of his way to make it sound like [I]the Government[/I] made a blacklist of [I]people[/I]. How fucking disingenuous can you get.
sweden is nice
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;52241295]How fucking disingenuous can you get.[/QUOTE] Answering this question is the driving force behind Sargons career
[QUOTE=Anteep;52240645]Any Swedes on here able to explain just how insane your government is, and how it got to this stage?[/QUOTE] The Swedish government and it's structure is one of the best in the world. It has very strong institutions, extremely low levels of corruption, a high degree of separation between powers, policy and legislation often follows technological advances quite closely, a very representative parliament currently composed of 8 different parties, and Swedish society seems to respect and understand taxation as well as on what their money is being spent on. It's American far-right pundits that have created this perception that the Swedish government is somehow dysfunctional and irrational. It's entirely untrue. There is always room for improvement in Sweden, but the truth is that Sweden has an enviably efficient government compared to many other developed countries.
Yeah, looks like sargon doesn't know how the @sweden handle works and is blowing it out of proportion. Nothing unusual then I guess.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;52241497]The Swedish government and it's structure is one of the best in the world. It has very strong institutions, extremely low levels of corruption, a high degree of separation between powers, policy and legislation often follows technological advances quite closely, a very representative parliament currently composed of 8 different parties, and Swedish society seems to respect and understand taxation as well as on what their money is being spent on. It's American far-right pundits that have created this perception that the Swedish government is somehow dysfunctional and irrational. It's entirely untrue. There is always room for improvement in Sweden, but the truth is that Sweden has an enviably efficient government compared to many other developed countries.[/QUOTE] And this guy knows corruption.
The Sweden Institute has been around [URL="https://eng.si.se/about-si/history/"]since 1945[/URL]. It is a [URL="https://eng.si.se/about-si/"]small public agency of about 140 people.[/URL] While they are not [I]the government[/I], they work [I]for[/I] the government and I have to assume government funding is how they are able to fund their own [URL="https://eng.si.se/areas-of-operation/events-and-projects/"]activities[/URL] as well as their [URL="https://eng.si.se/areas-of-operation/scholarships-and-grants/"]scholarships and grants[/URL]. It is this Swedish Institute that is [URL="http://curatorsofsweden.com/about/#conduct"]responsible for changing the curator[/URL] of the @sweden account and it is this agency that [URL="https://si.se/si-tar-krafttag-att-skydda-det-fria-ordet-pa-sweden/"]consulted with "Näthat experts"[/URL] (näthat meaning "internet hate") to construct the blocklist. In total, the blocklist contains 12,000 accounts they decided was hate-speech, 2000 bots that spam things like porn and viruses, and additional accounts blocked at the discretion of whoever is the current @sweden curator. Due to the reaction of the blocklist's implementation, they will be [URL="https://si.se/si-avblockerar-konton-pa-sweden/"]revising the criteria[/URL] for it so that the next one will (hopefully) not be as overreaching. Another thing to note is that the initial database the news article used was incorrect and a later database, verified by the Swedish Institute, is now used. If you go to [URL="https://nyheteridag.se/har-kan-du-soka-pa-dig-sjalv-i-det-statliga-asiktsregistret/"]the article[/URL] to search a twitter handle now, it will search both databases, the top one being the earlier one and the bottom one being the verified one. According to the verified database, JonTron and Richard Dawkins were indeed on the blocklist, but PewDiePie was not.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;52241295]Doesn't even mention that it's twitter accounts, deliberately goes out of his way to make it sound like [I]the Government[/I] made a blacklist of [I]people[/I]. How fucking disingenuous can you get.[/QUOTE] Wait so it doesn't matter because the platform isn't governmental? SI, a government organization, still compiled a [I]blacklist[/I] of [I]people[/I] based on their opinions on a range of topics [I]they even said this in a official statement[/I].. Quite a few people on the list have never even talked to the @sweden account. Many use part of or their full real name on Twitter or at the very least use it as themselves and not anonymously, if that is why you don't consider the people on the list... people. SI even destroyed the list after it got requested by a lot of people under our freedom of information policy, they knew exactly what they had. Luckily a few had already gotten their hands on it before they managed to delete it, which is the only reason we even know for sure it existed. You even have Nils Funcke secretary of the government appointed parliamentary organization "The Freedom of Expression Committee" saying that the event warrants investigation and mustn't be overlooked.
Someone on reddit made an argument that this was actually unconstitutional, since the government is forbidded from keeping lists of people's political leanings.
[QUOTE=huyu;52241756]Wait so it doesn't matter because the platform isn't governmental? SI, a government organization, still compiled a [I]blacklist[/I] of [I]people[/I] based on their opinions on a range of topics [I]they even said this in a official statement[/I].. Quite a few people on the list have never even talked to the @sweden account. Many use part of or their full real name on Twitter or at the very least use it as themselves and not anonymously, if that is why you don't consider the people on the list... people. SI even destroyed the list after it got requested by a lot of people under our freedom of information policy, they knew exactly what they had. Luckily a few had already gotten their hands on it before they managed to delete it, which is the only reason we even know for sure it existed. You even have Nils Funcke secretary of the government appointed parliamentary organization "The Freedom of Expression Committee" saying that the event warrants investigation and mustn't be overlooked.[/QUOTE] It was my impression that the list was compiled by the current account holder of @sweden. If the Swedish Institute themselves made the list and added anyone other than spambots, then I totally agree that's terrible.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;52241941]It was my impression that the list was compiled by the current account holder of @sweden. If the Swedish Institute themselves made the list and added anyone other than spambots, then I totally agree that's terrible.[/QUOTE] They even went out with an official statement, "we improved our blocking list, now anti-immigrant people/neo-nazis are blocked". They knew what they were doing before they were forced to remove it. Translated: [QUOTE]The blocking list that now uploaded to @sweden consists of: ◾Approximately 12,000 international and Swedish accounts dedicated to drive, threat, hatred and hatred against migrants, women and LGBT people, but also to organizations that are committed to human rights. These accounts often have high-extremism and / or neo-Nazi orientation and advocate violence.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hidole555;52241665]The Sweden Institute has been around [URL="https://eng.si.se/about-si/history/"]since 1945[/URL]. It is a [URL="https://eng.si.se/about-si/"]small public agency of about 140 people.[/URL] While they are not [I]the government[/I], they work [I]for[/I] the government and I have to assume government funding is how they are able to fund their own [URL="https://eng.si.se/areas-of-operation/events-and-projects/"]activities[/URL] as well as their [URL="https://eng.si.se/areas-of-operation/scholarships-and-grants/"]scholarships and grants[/URL]. It is this Swedish Institute that is [URL="http://curatorsofsweden.com/about/#conduct"]responsible for changing the curator[/URL] of the @sweden account and it is this agency that [URL="https://si.se/si-tar-krafttag-att-skydda-det-fria-ordet-pa-sweden/"]consulted with "Näthat experts"[/URL] (näthat meaning "internet hate") to construct the blocklist. In total, the blocklist contains 12,000 accounts they decided was hate-speech, 2000 bots that spam things like porn and viruses, and additional accounts blocked at the discretion of whoever is the current @sweden curator. Due to the reaction of the blocklist's implementation, they will be [URL="https://si.se/si-avblockerar-konton-pa-sweden/"]revising the criteria[/URL] for it so that the next one will (hopefully) not be as overreaching. Another thing to note is that the initial database the news article used was incorrect and a later database, verified by the Swedish Institute, is now used. If you go to [URL="https://nyheteridag.se/har-kan-du-soka-pa-dig-sjalv-i-det-statliga-asiktsregistret/"]the article[/URL] to search a twitter handle now, it will search both databases, the top one being the earlier one and the bottom one being the verified one. According to the verified database, JonTron and Richard Dawkins were indeed on the blocklist, but PewDiePie was not.[/QUOTE] The list was applied by last weeks curator, not the Swedish Institute, and the creation of the list had nothing to do with the Swedish Institute. The list has nothing whatsoever to do with the Swedish government, but curators have the freedom to block whoever they want.
[QUOTE=Eric95;52244432]The list was applied by last weeks curator, not the Swedish Institute, and the creation of the list had nothing to do with the Swedish Institute. The list has nothing whatsoever to do with the Swedish government, but curators have the freedom to block whoever they want.[/QUOTE] They approved it for use in the future, they supported its use.
[QUOTE=RB33;52244603]They approved it for use in the future, they supported its use.[/QUOTE] Yes, because curators have the freedom to block whoever they want
[QUOTE=Eric95;52244688]Yes, because curators have the freedom to block whoever they want[/QUOTE] The blocklist was supposed to stay for future curators, if they are keeping it and approving it. They are reponsible for keeping it in place.
[QUOTE=RB33;52244884]The blocklist was supposed to stay for future curators, if they are keeping it and approving it. They are reponsible for keeping it in place.[/QUOTE] the old rules used to be that the people who were blocked by the previous curator got unblocked, but because of the huge amount of harassment that curators kept receiving they changed it to keep the blocks in place, with people being able to manually contact the institute to appeal to be unblocked. clearly the big preventative blocklist that the previous curator added was deemed to be a bit too much in retrospect so now they removed it how is there anything wrong with this at all, everything was handled really well imo if you've ever read the replies on a @sweden tweet you'd see why being able to block people is necessary
[QUOTE=Eric95;52244936]the old rules used to be that the people who were blocked by the previous curator got unblocked, but because of the huge amount of harassment that curators kept receiving they changed it to keep the blocks in place, with people being able to manually contact the institute to appeal to be unblocked. clearly the big preventative blocklist that the previous curator added was deemed to be a bit too much in retrospect so now they removed it how is there anything wrong with this at all, everything was handled really well imo[/QUOTE] Maybe the fact that they added 12,000 people which were possibly referred to as anti-migrant/LBGT or neo-nazis? That many of these hadn't even talked to the @sweden account. Some accounts which were journalists and even liberal people.
[QUOTE=RB33;52244953]Maybe the fact that they added 12,000 people which were possibly referred to as anti-migrant/LBGT or neo-nazis? That many of these hadn't even talked to the @sweden account. Some accounts which were journalists and even liberal people.[/QUOTE] can you read [quote]The list was applied by last weeks curator, not the Swedish Institute, and the creation of the list had nothing to do with the Swedish Institute. The list has nothing whatsoever to do with the Swedish government, but curators have the freedom to block whoever they want.[/quote] and the list was removed when the curator was changed the previous curator was an "internet hate expert", which probably meant that she and organizations she's involved with compiled the list completely unrelated to the @sweden account. she then applied it to the @sweden account while she was a curator, with the approval of the swedish institute because part of the rules are that curators are allowed to block whoever they want. they decided afterwards that the list was a bit too much, and unblocked the people who were blocked through the list. hella simple
[QUOTE=Eric95;52244961]can you read and the list was removed when the curator was changed the previous curator was an "internet hate expert", which probably meant that she and organizations she's involved with compiled the list completely unrelated to the @sweden account. she then applied it to the @sweden account while she was a curator, with the approval of the swedish institute because part of the rules are that curators are allowed to block whoever they want. they decided afterwards that the list was a bit too much, and unblocked the people who were blocked through the list. hella simple[/QUOTE] They had to change their mind first. This is what they wrote the day before they changed their mind: [url]https://si.se/si-tar-krafttag-att-skydda-det-fria-ordet-pa-sweden/[/url] Translated: [QUOTE]During the week of 8-14 May 2017, @sweden was hosted by Vian Tahir, an online security expert who works to help others protect themselves against trolls and nets. During her week as @sweden, [B]with SI's approval[/B], she has used a blocking list, which has been developed in collaboration with other experts on networking. SI has previously given the curators freedom to block users, but this week it has been done on a larger scale, according to systematic and in addition prevention. This has meant that even accounts that have never been interacted with @sweden have been blocked. "In our deep analysis of @sweden, we've been able to see that three quarters of the network is from accounts that never interacted with us," says Jenny Ljung. [B]"To protect against internet hate, it is not enough to block when something happens. We must also work preventively to create a safe arena for our curators. "[/B][/QUOTE] They did this with intent and then changed their mind. This wasn't just because of a previous curator. Edit: To clarify, they intended the list to stay on, then after the outrage they removed it a day later. What they did wrong was accepting the list to stay on after the curator's time was over.
His voice makes me want to punch myself in the face. Sargon is such a fuckwit dude.
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