• Disappearances from U.S. National Parks
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Really fascinating video I stumbled across recently. It's kinda lengthy but it's an interesting perspective on a chilling topic. [video=youtube;Q1BK_1xfvK8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1BK_1xfvK8[/video]
Motherfuck'n Coast to Coast AM. I could listen to them for hours if Art Bell is the one on the air.
My issue with David Paulides is that alot of times he flat out lies, or bases fact on ancedotal reports, not to mention the whole bigfoot thing. He endlessly claims that hes not trying to pose answers, or blame the supernatural, but he then dismisses facts for his own ancedotes. In my opinion it cheapens what could be an otherwise intersting inquiry. For example, he dismisses paradoxical undressing as nonsense by saying "I talked to someone who went to the himalayas, and he said he never heard of it", then says "something clearly must of taken their clothes off"
[QUOTE=Samg381;48572610]Really fascinating video I stumbled across recently. It's kinda lengthy but it's an interesting perspective on a chilling topic.[/QUOTE] Welcome to the club. It's starting to catch on now! [video=youtube;LUwz3Iv8VFU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUwz3Iv8VFU[/video] [QUOTE=cxcxxxxx;48572707] "I talked to someone who went to the himalayas, and he said he never heard of it", then says "something clearly must of taken their clothes off"[/QUOTE] While I don't entirely disagree, you must not have heard about the kid who died with his pants folded on a rock, or the one where the child suffered disability and could not take his clothes off at all. He was found over 2 large rocky hills in a bolder patch with nothing on, and his parents had to dress him. He has made the statement "they just don't do that", but like most things it's a mixed bag. It's a generalization to say "it just doesn't happen" and partially wrong but plenty of people die clothed of hypothermia, most I'm sure have not folded everything on a rock or boulder patch to be found years later, and certainly a kid wouldn't even fold clothes half the time!
This stuff is fascinating. Way too many cases to just write off as freak, one in one billion accidents. As usual, just don't read the comments :v:
I got so annoyed when UFO's, Shapeshifters or Bigfoot were brought in to the discussions, but I honestly can't imagine what the fuck could cause so many confusing cases. Kids corpses being found over mountain ridges on different ridges entirely a dozen~ hours after going missing when the exact same trek would have taken an experienced hiker that was actually wearing shoes 20? Clothes being found near initial point of disappearance with the clothes-less bodies absurd distances away? The weird shit that's actually officially logged from search teams that they've amassed which are all incredibly similar makes my skin crawl. It's not Bigfoot, it's not UFO's, it's not reptiles wearing human skinsuits, but when there's so much official written evidence laid bare it's spooky as hell.
I've heard about the hypothermia causing people to take their clothes off before and I believed that to be true, so I'm not sure about that part? It's interesting stuff I guess but I dunno. Definitely entertaining to listen too.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;48577865]I've heard about the hypothermia causing people to take their clothes off before and I believed that to be true, so I'm not sure about that part? It's interesting stuff I guess but I dunno. Definitely entertaining to listen too.[/QUOTE] Its a mixed bag. Anyone with knowledge of the phenomenon would ignore it since there is self awareness of whats happening, but beyond that I imagine some would, some wouldn't. No one would fold their clothes as if they came off a fresh ironing board, though. No one would take their pants off.
Funny business, this. In the PRL there were urban legends of disappearing children in the 60's and 70's, and who would have thought - it turns out the communist government might have actually abducted them. Some urban legend are based on just straight and simple murder, others are more suspicious Some stories were urban legends, others turned out to be truths decades later, after the fall of communism. For example [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Volga"]this one[/URL] was mostly bogus, the truth behind is that the government murdered the 15 year old son of a political figure, and a case of kidnapping of a young girl by two women which made the news very quickly and nation wide, which ended in the militia finding the girl alive and healthy, in the house of the parents of the abductor, a mentally sick woman. There were some other reports of Black Volgas kidnapping people, but that wasn't anything that special considering most higher-ups in the party drove those cars, according to the militia anyway. The thing you have to know is that murders by the government really weren't anything extremely rare. Another example is [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Popie%C5%82uszko"]Jerzy Popiełuszko[/URL]. Among many murders during protest 'pacifications' and militia brutality, there are some really shady ones. If you wanna google translate it, here's a probably incomplete list. [url]http://bezdekretu.blogspot.com/2013/11/lista-osob-zamordowanych-przez.html[/url] Then again, other sources say other things. It's hard to know the truth behind it all, because witnesses didn't want to talk and any archives are very vague at best. One thing is sure, not all of our Urban Legends are baseless, but it's nothing supernatural, but rather a ruthless regime.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;48580165]I'd love for people to come together and try to come up with logical explanations for some of the more impossible stories, because fuck it seems impossible. Little kids going on 20 mile hikes then stripping nude, random people climbing up sheer cliff faces and stripping nude. what even :freakout:[/QUOTE] its still happening hnggngh [video=youtube;-TlGc4slOMo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TlGc4slOMo[/video]
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;48580165]I'd love for people to come together and try to come up with logical explanations for some of the more impossible stories, because fuck it seems impossible. Little kids going on 20 mile hikes then stripping nude, random people climbing up sheer cliff faces and stripping nude. what even :freakout:[/QUOTE] Recently, as in just a few years, someone figured out a really famous one. It had to do with some place in Russia where it was a group of hikers or something, and they were found naked far away, clothes ripped and everything. Apparently some guy figured out it was some extremely rare natural phenomenon that had to do with wind and air pressure along with sound and it only occurs in the area they were in. When it occurs apparently it really hurts and almost deafens people as well. Really wish I could remember the specifics. So you had these hikers feeling like they were getting torn apart from the inside when nothing was happening who couldnt hear. They think they ripped their clothes off and ran and shit just due to hysteria and confusing hoping something would work.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48582041]Recently, as in just a few years, someone figured out a really famous one. It had to do with some place in Russia where it was a group of hikers or something, and they were found naked far away, clothes ripped and everything. Apparently some guy figured out it was some extremely rare natural phenomenon that had to do with wind and air pressure along with sound and it only occurs in the area they were in. When it occurs apparently it really hurts and almost deafens people as well. Really wish I could remember the specifics. So you had these hikers feeling like they were getting torn apart from the inside when nothing was happening who couldnt hear. They think they ripped their clothes off and ran and shit just due to hysteria and confusing hoping something would work.[/QUOTE] You're talking about Dyatlov Pass. No one really knows what happened, but one theory is that a Karman vortex street, which is when the wind creates a "tunnel" of repeating vortexes going in one direction, came through the pass and caused some fucked up infrasound that drove them crazy. This theory is about as likely as any other, though, honestly. It's extremely rare in nature on the scale necessary for it to affect people to that extent. Further, it's a huge stretch to suggest that it would happen, that the infrasound would cause them to act crazy like that, and then it still makes no sense to do what they did and doesn't account for some of the weirder shit. The most likely explanation is the hypothermia one, since it does account for the clothes removal and nakedness in the negative-degree temperature.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48582041]Recently, as in just a few years, someone figured out a really famous one. It had to do with some place in Russia where it was a group of hikers or something, and they were found naked far away, clothes ripped and everything. Apparently some guy figured out it was some extremely rare natural phenomenon that had to do with wind and air pressure along with sound and it only occurs in the area they were in. When it occurs apparently it really hurts and almost deafens people as well. Really wish I could remember the specifics. So you had these hikers feeling like they were getting torn apart from the inside when nothing was happening who couldnt hear. They think they ripped their clothes off and ran and shit just due to hysteria and confusing hoping something would work.[/QUOTE] Dyatlov Pass Incident? There is actually still no 100% explanation, though it is no where near as outrageous as it is claimed. There was no radiation on the bodies, no weird lights or crafts in the sky. A lot of bullshit got spread around that. Though if you ask the Discovery Channel, it was an evil Russian yeti. They really tried to make that argument.
[QUOTE=Incoming.;48577923]Its a mixed bag. Anyone with knowledge of the phenomenon would ignore it since there is self awareness of whats happening, but beyond that I imagine some would, some wouldn't. No one would fold their clothes as if they came off a fresh ironing board, though. No one would take their pants off.[/QUOTE] You're telling me that there's no possible way a delusional person dying from hypothermia could misinterpret their senses and behave irrationally, and then perform a mundane act that is part of their muscle memory? Nobody in their right mind would do that, sure, but if you're dying of hypothermia you often simply aren't in your right mind.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48582260']You're talking about Dyatlov Pass. No one really knows what happened, but one theory is that a Karman vortex street, which is when the wind creates a "tunnel" of repeating vortexes going in one direction, came through the pass and caused some fucked up infrasound that drove them crazy. This theory is about as likely as any other, though, honestly. It's extremely rare in nature on the scale necessary for it to affect people to that extent. Further, it's a huge stretch to suggest that it would happen, that the infrasound would cause them to act crazy like that, and then it still makes no sense to do what they did and doesn't account for some of the weirder shit. The most likely explanation is the hypothermia one, since it does account for the clothes removal and nakedness in the negative-degree temperature.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's the shit I was talking about, thought it was hurting them, not making them crazy. Thats pretty fucked up if something can do that. Who knows though.
Started reading stuff about missing 411 a little while ago, really spooky stuff. I'm not really a believer in aliens or bigfoot or anything like that but there's so many bizarre stories that make you wonder what could have really happened.
[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;48582291]You're telling me that there's no possible way a delusional person dying from hypothermia could misinterpret their senses and behave irrationally, and then perform a mundane act that is part of their muscle memory? Nobody in their right mind would do that, sure, but if you're dying of hypothermia you often simply aren't in your right mind.[/QUOTE] This is about as subjective as you can get, and is as big 'what if' as anything else mentioned. Not only did you reply like I simply stated "taking clothes off in hypothermia is nonsense and never recorded" but you ignored the most disturbing fact of what has been [I]done[/I] to the clothes afterward. [B][I]IF[/I][/B] someone is highly experienced in outdoor travel and experiences hypothermia and desperation, I can understand the loss of the jacket and maybe even the shirt, but why the boots? Why are they not found half the time? Boots are heavy, durable objects that don't move much on their own! If your hands are numb and you can't feel, why even bother attempt taking a boot off? It makes no sense that you imply someone not in their right mind would not only bother stripping down to nothing and seemingly ditch all clothing as soon as they're lost [as has been documented], before coldness could even begin to be possible, and then say its part of muscle memory. Besides, why fold them? Is this muscle memory, too? I suppose they all worked in clothing stores. Maybe there's someone running an iron out there and deciding to let people die with their belongings in neat order!
People in a state of delirium can do more complex tasks than folding clothes asking why is like asking why delirious people do anything they do.
I really want an explanation that makes sense for so many people taking clothes off. Especially boots. Maybe I can see taking off a big jacket if you get panicky and overheated, ok. But boots? Imagine walking barefoot in the forest. That would be incredibly painful. Anyone, even someone suffering from some kind of hypothermia would be able to see that boots are a good idea. I guess it's possible that because of the hypothermia people also lose sensation of pain? It would kind of explain how they are often really beat up with cuts and bruises, they don't feel pain so they walk barefoot through bushes and thorns and get torn up. But what about places where this happened where it wasn't even that cold? Surely not all of these cases can be attributed to hypothermia. [QUOTE=Leg of Doom;48582589]People in a state of delirium can do more complex tasks than folding clothes asking why is like asking why delirious people do anything they do.[/QUOTE] What about the kids who the parents said were too young to undress themselves? [editline]31st August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Incoming.;48582528]If your hands are numb and you can't feel, why even bother attempt taking a boot off?[/QUOTE] I feel like this is a really strong point. They would likely not be able to feel their feet anways, so removing a boot would be a moot point.
[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;48582589]People in a state of delirium can do more complex tasks than folding clothes asking why is like asking why delirious people do anything they do.[/QUOTE] For gods sake why would you take your pants off and fold them when you can't even feel your fingers?!
I've read a lot into this and listened to quite a few interviews with the guy who wrote the books and I am pretty sure there is a very simple explanation for it. They're almost all freak accidents. I know that this is what people always immediately assume when they're told about it but maybe that's because it's the only sensible explanation. Beyond yetis and UFOs and Hawaiian giants that is the only possible explanation. It's nice to think it's spooky though.
[QUOTE=Scot;48582897]I've read a lot into this and listened to quite a few interviews with the guy who wrote the books and I am pretty sure there is a very simple explanation for it. They're almost all freak accidents. I know that this is what people always immediately assume when they're told about it but maybe that's because it's the only sensible explanation. Beyond yetis and UFOs and Hawaiian giants that is the only possible explanation. It's nice to think it's spooky though.[/QUOTE] Why has there been such an aggressive effort to hush it up and preform inadequate autopsies, then? One park ranger said there are "Wild men" in the great smoky mountains. I know there must be a variety of things that cause these incidents and no one solution, but there are extremely dark circumstances in these parks and the NPS has been as transparent as a brick wall.
I love this kind of stuff, all though I don't want to be some conspiracy theory nut. I would assume most of the cases could have been solved given more time and resources but others cant' really be explained at all
[QUOTE=Complifused;48583967]I love this kind of stuff, all though I don't want to be some conspiracy theory nut. I would assume most of the cases could have been solved given more time and resources but others cant' really be explained at all[/QUOTE] The video surprisingly doesn't go full tinfoil hat. Yeah the person explaining the case doesn't use the best logic at times but I can forgive some of it. There just straight up aren't any reasonable, rational explanations for what happened to a lot of those people. It's physically impossible for some of them to travel as far as they did, especially without proper clothing. A lot straight up disappeared extremely close to populated trails or even family, and nothing of them is ever found. Or all they find is one item, or their teeth. And the deaths, that's the strangest part. A lot of them can't be murders or suicide, and most of them sound like an animal is out of the question. So how did they die, and why do the higher ups in the system want to deny people information about cases? It's not bigfoot, aliens, or vortexes, but something out of the ordinary happened.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;48584110]The video surprisingly doesn't go full tinfoil hat. Yeah the person explaining the case doesn't use the best logic at times but I can forgive some of it. There just straight up aren't any reasonable, rational explanations for what happened to a lot of those people. It's physically impossible for some of them to travel as far as they did, especially without proper clothing. A lot straight up disappeared extremely close to populated trails or even family, and nothing of them is ever found. Or all they find is one item, or their teeth. And the deaths, that's the strangest part. A lot of them can't be murders or suicide, and most of them sound like an animal is out of the question. So how did they die, and why do the higher ups in the system want to deny people information about cases? It's not bigfoot, aliens, or vortexes, but something out of the ordinary happened.[/QUOTE] Its just that some of them you would think that maybe an animal did attack someone but with that you get the usual signs of a struggle and the noise. Maybe the book would be a good read
[QUOTE=Incoming.;48582761]For gods sake why would you take your pants off and fold them when you can't even feel your fingers?![/QUOTE] Because ur in a state of delirium
[QUOTE=Complifused;48584219]Its just that some of them you would think that maybe an animal did attack someone but with that you get the usual signs of a struggle and the noise. Maybe the book would be a good read[/QUOTE] I bought the collectors addition, and I don't regret it. I even got his signature with a handwriten message on each one.
[QUOTE=Scot;48582897]I've read a lot into this and listened to quite a few interviews with the guy who wrote the books and I am pretty sure there is a very simple explanation for it. They're almost all freak accidents. I know that this is what people always immediately assume when they're told about it but maybe that's because it's the only sensible explanation. Beyond yetis and UFOs and Hawaiian giants that is the only possible explanation. It's nice to think it's spooky though.[/QUOTE] "Freak accident" isn't an explanation, I'm not sure what you're trying to get at? It's like saying the only explanation is "something weird happened". I mean I'm not sure why people are focusing so much on the paradoxical undressing here anyhow, what's way more weird/creepy is people managing to cross huge distances in the snow without shoes and the like.
Before anyone raises an eyebrow about "and then they just lost the files" and act like he's being a nutto, when my aunt died, we got a bill from the hospital that included extra expenses, and then when we asked what these extra things were they said "we don't have her ever coming into the hospital on record, sorry".
This guy couldn't walk well at all: [video=youtube;bQpYopdIixM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQpYopdIixM[/video]
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